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      Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion

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      HamannsTheMan
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #225: Mar 18, 2018 03:43:00 am
      Nothing much to say apart from the mo salah show. What a signing this lad has been. Everything he touches just turns into goals. KDB will probably win player of the season because of city's freak form but mo deserves it, he has been the leagues best player this season, head and shoulders above anyone else.

      I thought Watford were dire in truth. Thought their tactics were all wrong and half of their players didn't even want to be there today. That said, I'm taking nothing away from us. We can only beat whats infront us and it was a rout. We battered them 5-0 without really getting out of second gear.

      As usual I always try and look for any weakness or any area in which we can perhaps improve on. This doesn't mean I'm not thrilled with the win, of course I am, but there is always room for improvement no matter how good you are.

      Defensively I felt we were in complete control today. We were solid. But I do think the right back position is a concern now. Trent has been exposed a few times against top opposition and his inexperience has shown. Gomez today made a couple of little errors in there today and I don't think he's very comfortable there.

      One moment sticks in my mind where Watford switched the play with a long diagonal ball and Gomez judgment was all wrong. The ball went over his head straight to the Watford winger and had he been half decent he may have turned that into a decent chance. It was very similar to city's first goal at anfield where he misjudged the ball to Sane who then went onto score. As it happened I think Gomez recovered pretty well in this incident but there were still a couple of moments that I felt a little uncomfortable with and it was lucky we were playing against dross.

      My second criticism comes to our centre mids and in particular Jordan Henderson today. I thought he was abysmal, especially in the first half. I lost count how many times he gave the ball away and some of them were just beyond comical.  I don't like him, I don't rate him, and moving forward we need to upgrade. During a match he will try or even make one or two decent passes and some of our fans just seem to excuse his weaknesses because of this. For example, he tried a through ball in the first half to salah. In my opinion it was actually a very poor ball. It was definitely the right idea, but he misjudged the weight of the pass, and it wasn't that difficult to do. But it got a big round of applause from the fans. I applaud the idea and maybe that's why some people clapped, but the execution of the pass was dreadful in my opinion and I expect him to make that pass.

      It isn't just Henderson though. The middle of the park is a big problem for us. It's ok when we play against sh*te like Watford because our attack will just drill them. But we definitely need a couple of top centre mids. The ones we have just aren't good enough for top level. Naby is a start but we need somebody to else to come in and partner him. Break the bank because this should be our priority in my opinion.

      But look, we were great today, and we're making big strides under klopp but at present the right back position and the centre mids concern me a little.

      Find it weird how anybody in the forum can give motm to anyone but mo today but I notice Robbo has a few votes. It's pleasing that he's becoming a big kop favourite because he really has been exceptional and he deserves all the plaudits. It's so refreshing to see a decent left back at the club after we've gone a good decade or so without one.

      I hate to compare any of our players to blueshite ones but he reminds me so much of an old school Baines, round the time he was competing with Ashley Cole for the England spot. Hes up and down that flank, he can come inside and play pass and move football, or he can keep to the byline and whip a ball in. More importantly, he's solid and his reading of the game is superb. I hope he continues going strength to strength and stays at the club for a very long time. Keep it up andy lad.

      Very good performance today red men.

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      Reply #226: Mar 18, 2018 03:58:25 am
      Obviously the MOTM is Salah. He is playing unbelievable football.He Is certainly in the ballon d' or conversation and certainly the PL Player of the Year.

      But, i voted for Firmino because Salahs performance is overshadowing his goal. That should be the goal of the year. He flicked it off the back heel, at speed,2 feet in the air and backwards. WHAT? It was Insane. It wasnt a lucky goal. He intentionally made that shot.
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      Reply #227: Mar 18, 2018 04:21:26 am
      Got a decision to make in the man of the match poll, here.

      Hmm..
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #228: Mar 18, 2018 04:33:56 am
      Brilliant result and we never really bust a gut for it..
      Watford were sh*te and you'd be a fool to think otherwise.

      Just a few observations for me ;
      Henderson, despite all his huffing and puffing across the middle of the park gave the ball away to many times and very nearly put us in the sh*t. another team on another day and we'd have been punished.
      Gomez will get better, but that right back position, especially with Lovren/Matip alongside is turning into our achilles heel and Jürgen needs to be aware that the likes of Maureen,Pepe, Conte and the likes have the players that can and will exploit that area.

      On the plus side Mo Salah is a genius and I'm pretty certain he has velcro on his boots ;D
      That third goal was ridiculous

      Good post mate, you identified a few things that stuck out for me as well. Watford are not City Real or Barca .  Henderson`s 5 or 6 minutes of  passing errors had the alarm bells ringing just to say it's noted and hopefully it's just a glitch conditions etc  , Milly that half yard is beginning to show ,as for Gini I keep expecting him to punch through with an end result doesnt happen too often we need more from him .

      On a brighter note Ox and Danny looked well up for it effort and passion, the  keeper done Danny a couple of times a goal for the guy would have been a fitting end to a good day at the office couldn't ask for anything more from them ,great result yet a few more final balls off better quality it could have been double figures hard as it may seem especially giving the many excellent performances there is room for improvement.

      TBH looking at yesterdays game we played well in sh*t conditions they huffed and puffed but really had nothing to worry us  Karius could have built a snowman yesterday he was that busy,so room for improvement in a few departments and a big pat on the back to Mo you were f***in awesome yesterday.


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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #229: Mar 18, 2018 04:53:08 am
      Anyone have have stats on salah goal to shots percentage at the start of the season to now.
      Reason being is that for the first few months, to me, he needed many opportunities to actually score whereas now, he is utterly clinical.
      Love to know the progression he has made statistically.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #230: Mar 18, 2018 05:02:28 am
      That Bobby goal........ Ridiculous!!!!!
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #231: Mar 18, 2018 07:27:38 am
      Obviously I voted for Salah because he was two level above the others but par Mo Salah, I think Robertson was brilliant again and Mane improved from last week as well.

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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #232: Mar 18, 2018 09:00:18 am
      Great to get back to winning ways, and some very well crafted goals.

      Mo obviously MOTM, but it is not just his goals is it.  His work rate is incredible, and for me that is what elevates him ahead of anyone else in the league. Bobby's goal is a great example - how many players would just be happy with the corner.

      Thought Mane was very good again today, and his pass for the second was superb.  It's funny that he has not seemed to have had as good a season as last year, and yet his return is better.

      Robbo is one of the buys of the season.  He is everything the modern fullback needs to be and more.  That was as good a cross as you will see all season.

      Hope all the boys come back fit and healthy.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #233: Mar 18, 2018 10:17:00 am
      Very good performance, Salah on fire and that ball in from Robbo for his second was superb.

      ALLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ

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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #234: Mar 18, 2018 11:13:05 am
      Once again a brilliant display from Salah, with great support from Bobby, Mane and of course Robertson. It is just a pity, their is another break, for these meaningless Internationals, before the next game against Palace.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #235: Mar 18, 2018 11:27:29 am
      Obviously Salah will get all the attention but Robertson was absolutely fantastic and thought Mane put in a very underrated shift as well.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #236: Mar 18, 2018 03:00:26 pm
      My favourite food...  Tikka M Salah!

      We are blessed to have such player in our team. Owners make sure we tie him up so the Spanish Pirates don't come sniffing.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #237: Mar 18, 2018 03:20:11 pm
      My favourite food...  Tikka M Salah!

      We are blessed to have such player in our team. Owners make sure we tie him up so the Spanish Pirates don't come sniffing.
      His value has to be in the region of 300m now. He is the best in the world. Better than Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez... because he is 25 and those other 3 are getting old! Nobody is near him in value. Barcelona can't afford him! they will need to sell to balance the books over Coutinho! as for RM! right now they aint anything special! sitting 4th in la liga behind valencia.. 15 points behind Barca?  :lmao:  Barcelona blew their Neymar pay day on an over rated Coutinho  :D Coutinho is a good player, but it is surprising Barcelona wanted him so badly when he is not and will not ever anywhere near the best in the world. Coutinho would make our sub bench right now. People think Coutinho is adaptable but he really isn't.

      CM: Great playmaking, leaves big defensive weakness.
      Deep lying: Great playmaking, no defensive cover.
      Number 10: Supports attack well, but most teams don't want a #10.
      Centre striker: Not strong enough on the ball
      Winger: Reasonable goals per game, nothing special

      142m  :lmao: he may have good shots from distance but and good passing but as stated, too weak... so Barca blew there money on this and we sold him when it suited us, when we purchased VVD already. If we sold Coutinho first, VVD costs 100m right?
      Nobody can afford Salah! also... Salah is not a greedy player.. he even donated a lot of money to charity. He wants to win things at Liverpool.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #238: Mar 18, 2018 04:59:57 pm
      His value has to be in the region of 300m now. He is the best in the world. Better than Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez... because he is 25 and those other 3 are getting old! Nobody is near him in value. Barcelona can't afford him! they will need to sell to balance the books over Coutinho! as for RM! right now they aint anything special! sitting 4th in la liga behind valencia.. 15 points behind Barca?  :lmao:  Barcelona blew their Neymar pay day on an over rated Coutinho  :D Coutinho is a good player, but it is surprising Barcelona wanted him so badly when he is not and will not ever anywhere near the best in the world. Coutinho would make our sub bench right now. People think Coutinho is adaptable but he really isn't.

      CM: Great playmaking, leaves big defensive weakness.
      Deep lying: Great playmaking, no defensive cover.
      Number 10: Supports attack well, but most teams don't want a #10.
      Centre striker: Not strong enough on the ball
      Winger: Reasonable goals per game, nothing special

      142m  :lmao: he may have good shots from distance but and good passing but as stated, too weak... so Barca blew there money on this and we sold him when it suited us, when we purchased VVD already. If we sold Coutinho first, VVD costs 100m right?
      Nobody can afford Salah! also... Salah is not a greedy player.. he even donated a lot of money to charity. He wants to win things at Liverpool.

      Neymar's was similar in value and that didn't stop PSG because FFP is a myth. Two things are essential to keeping him with us. Sign him up on a lucrative contract, and win things. 2nd, 3rd or 4th doesn't count.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #239: Mar 18, 2018 05:11:39 pm
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      Reply #240: Mar 18, 2018 07:45:17 pm
      Nothing much to say apart from the mo salah show. What a signing this lad has been. Everything he touches just turns into goals. KDB will probably win player of the season because of city's freak form but mo deserves it, he has been the leagues best player this season, head and shoulders above anyone else.

      I thought Watford were dire in truth. Thought their tactics were all wrong and half of their players didn't even want to be there today. That said, I'm taking nothing away from us. We can only beat whats infront us and it was a rout. We battered them 5-0 without really getting out of second gear.

      As usual I always try and look for any weakness or any area in which we can perhaps improve on. This doesn't mean I'm not thrilled with the win, of course I am, but there is always room for improvement no matter how good you are.

      Defensively I felt we were in complete control today. We were solid. But I do think the right back position is a concern now. Trent has been exposed a few times against top opposition and his inexperience has shown. Gomez today made a couple of little errors in there today and I don't think he's very comfortable there.

      One moment sticks in my mind where Watford switched the play with a long diagonal ball and Gomez judgment was all wrong. The ball went over his head straight to the Watford winger and had he been half decent he may have turned that into a decent chance. It was very similar to city's first goal at anfield where he misjudged the ball to Sane who then went onto score. As it happened I think Gomez recovered pretty well in this incident but there were still a couple of moments that I felt a little uncomfortable with and it was lucky we were playing against dross.

      My second criticism comes to our centre mids and in particular Jordan Henderson today. I thought he was abysmal, especially in the first half. I lost count how many times he gave the ball away and some of them were just beyond comical.  I don't like him, I don't rate him, and moving forward we need to upgrade. During a match he will try or even make one or two decent passes and some of our fans just seem to excuse his weaknesses because of this. For example, he tried a through ball in the first half to salah. In my opinion it was actually a very poor ball. It was definitely the right idea, but he misjudged the weight of the pass, and it wasn't that difficult to do. But it got a big round of applause from the fans. I applaud the idea and maybe that's why some people clapped, but the execution of the pass was dreadful in my opinion and I expect him to make that pass.

      It isn't just Henderson though. The middle of the park is a big problem for us. It's ok when we play against sh*te like Watford because our attack will just drill them. But we definitely need a couple of top centre mids. The ones we have just aren't good enough for top level. Naby is a start but we need somebody to else to come in and partner him. Break the bank because this should be our priority in my opinion.

      But look, we were great today, and we're making big strides under klopp but at present the right back position and the centre mids concern me a little.

      Find it weird how anybody in the forum can give motm to anyone but mo today but I notice Robbo has a few votes. It's pleasing that he's becoming a big kop favourite because he really has been exceptional and he deserves all the plaudits. It's so refreshing to see a decent left back at the club after we've gone a good decade or so without one.

      I hate to compare any of our players to blueshite ones but he reminds me so much of an old school Baines, round the time he was competing with Ashley Cole for the England spot. Hes up and down that flank, he can come inside and play pass and move football, or he can keep to the byline and whip a ball in. More importantly, he's solid and his reading of the game is superb. I hope he continues going strength to strength and stays at the club for a very long time. Keep it up andy lad.

      Very good performance today red men.



      Was going to come in and post my views on the two areas of concern for me in the lead up to City and you've nailed both.

      That midfield 3 should never be seen on the same pitch again, complete shambles when Can went of and Hendo moved into the #6.

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      Reply #241: Mar 18, 2018 08:01:44 pm
      Quote from Ribapuru
      His value has to be in the region of 300m now. He is the best in the world. Better than Messi, Ronaldo, Suarez... because he is 25 and those other 3 are getting old! Nobody is near him in value. Barcelona can't afford him! they will need to sell to balance the books over Coutinho! as for RM! right now they aint anything special! sitting 4th in la liga behind valencia.. 15 points behind Barca?  :lmao:  Barcelona blew their Neymar pay day on an over rated Coutinho  :D Coutinho is a good player, but it is surprising Barcelona wanted him so badly when he is not and will not ever anywhere near the best in the world. Coutinho would make our sub bench right now. People think Coutinho is adaptable but he really isn't.

      142m  :lmao: he may have good shots from distance but and good passing but as stated, too weak...

      It's only last week since we were told we missed him against the mancs. I guess it will happen after every bad result. In January, some were saying that Klopp needed to go because he didn't sign a replacement.

      Real are a few points off the top, as are we in our league. It's nothing to laugh about, and it's not an indication of things to come at either club over the coming years.
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      Re: Liverpool 5-0 Watford: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #242: Mar 18, 2018 11:52:42 pm
      Obviously the MOTM is Salah. He is playing unbelievable football.He Is certainly in the ballon d' or conversation and certainly the PL Player of the Year.

      But, i voted for Firmino because Salahs performance is overshadowing his goal. That should be the goal of the year. He flicked it off the back heel, at speed,2 feet in the air and backwards. WHAT? It was Insane. It wasnt a lucky goal. He intentionally made that shot.

      Voted Salah MOTM, but agree Bobby's finish was sublime.
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      Reply #243: Mar 18, 2018 11:54:53 pm
      Got a decision to make in the man of the match poll, here.

      Hmm..

      LOL. Does anyone keep track or know if this is the highest percentage for a single player in the MOTM voting?

      I agree Sadio, Bobby and Robbo had good games, but for me, voting for someone other than Mo for yesterday is out-thinking one's self.  :)
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      Reply #244: Mar 19, 2018 12:18:34 am
      Anyone have any stats on his conversion rate from the start of the season to now.
      I was very aware for the first few months of the season that he needed a fair few chances to score whereas now it seems like every opportunity he gets, he scores!
      Anything me have any stats?
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      Reply #245: Mar 19, 2018 12:40:53 am
      With a huge tie against City it was important to get the Utd blipp out of the system and we did that in absolute style. 
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      Reply #246: Mar 19, 2018 12:44:12 am
      Was going to come in and post my views on the two areas of concern for me in the lead up to City and you've nailed both.

      That midfield 3 should never be seen on the same pitch again, complete shambles when Can went of and Hendo moved into the #6.



      Don't know which match you were watching but Henderson never moved to the 6...the started there with Gini and Can in front of him.
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      Reply #247: Mar 19, 2018 07:23:03 am
      One thing I love about Firmino is his willingness to adapt to those around him. He can create for Salah, drop back and defend, pass clean, assist whatever. Plus, it seems like he doesnt want to play for any other club but Liverpool. For 2 years we heard Suarez wa leaving, We heard for 2 years Coutinho wanted out...great players but i have a hard time liking a player who doesn't want to play for my club. Firmino seems to love playing at Anfield. You can see it in his play.
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      Reply #248: Mar 19, 2018 09:21:47 am
      WOW!!!
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      Reply #249: Mar 19, 2018 10:35:15 am
      Bud, I have voted for Salah as motm on so many occassions and I can;t remember how many times already. And I have watched the game a few times and if it had not been  Mane making those crosses/passes Salah may have to do all the work by himself. Both playing for themselves in the game aginst Utd. He looked a very different player from the one against Utd with so much improvement and for that I voted him. But Salah is not far behind either.

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