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      Relegated clubs - who would you pinch??

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      Re: Relegated clubs - who would you pinch??
      Reply #50: May 11, 2018 03:35:25 pm
      ;D, the amount of tin foil is amusing. As i said, i look forward to the excuses this summer, but keep them fresh, please.
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      Reply #51: May 11, 2018 03:48:42 pm
      What's tin foil about facts and praise where praise is due?

      Can't be arsed with continuing the money argument with a simpleton.. it's all there in black and white.. what we've spent..what we've sold.. the overall.. the net..

      If you can read you can see it, no one is making figures up here

      I don't dislike them whatsoever.. they've done some good stuff and some poor stuff

      They've kept me at Anfield where my grandad went, where he took me and now where I take my son's..
      They've brought in the best manager we could hope for who is doing an amazing job and I'm happier than I've been in over a decade football wise

      All good.. but the figures are there in black and white..  no tin foil.. you're just making yourself looking f**king stupid by suggesting something other than what's there for all to see

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      Reply #52: May 11, 2018 04:13:28 pm
      Rather check out Burnley. They can be the new Southampton.
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      Reply #53: May 11, 2018 04:27:10 pm
      Rather check out Burnley. They can be the new Southampton.

      Think they will become the new West Brom and Stoke the way the try to bore the game to death.
      Worked for them this season but chances are it won’t next time.
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      Re: Relegated clubs - who would you pinch??
      Reply #54: May 11, 2018 05:06:31 pm
      What's tin foil about facts and praise where praise is due?

      Can't be arsed with continuing the money argument with a simpleton.. it's all there in black and white.. what we've spent..what we've sold.. the overall.. the net..

      If you can read you can see it, no one is making figures up here

      I don't dislike them whatsoever.. they've done some good stuff and some poor stuff

      They've kept me at Anfield where my grandad went, where he took me and now where I take my son's..
      They've brought in the best manager we could hope for who is doing an amazing job and I'm happier than I've been in over a decade football wise

      All good.. but the figures are there in black and white..  no tin foil.. you're just making yourself looking f**king stupid by suggesting something other than what's there for all to see

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      Here are a couple of things about the tin foil community that i find amusing when it comes to net spend:

      1. You look at net spend to satisfy your confirmation bias and never looking at the context of why key players were sold that are driving the transfer money coming in. Sterling, Suarez and Coutinho all forced their way out and their sales were to get rid of a problem but with your tunnel vision you only see these sales being done to fund purchases. There is no other possible explanation.

      Countinho is a great example of this shitty view. Phil was given a shiny new contract but a few months before he started his ploy to leave the team by putting in his TR the day before the opening game of the season, being "injured" and not playing but miraculously recovering on the flight to Brazil to play for the national team, only for the same flight back to injure him again. At that same time he was doing this and we had spent on Salah, Ox, Robertson, tried like hell to get Keita and would have gotten VVD if not for some weird f**k up by someone, we were saying "Phil is not for sale" and he was told to stay. Eventually when Klopp had had enough Phil was sold but your cynical, short-sighted view is that we made the purchases we did because we knew we were going to sell.

      2. It undermines the excellent job the scouts and operations team does for this team in both buying and selling players, where one year they can sucker teams into paying 30M for Benteke and 15M for Ibe, who have 5 goals between them this season, and the following year turn around and get Salah for basically the same money. Or get 15M for Allen and unearth Andy Robertson for 9M. While i look at these examples and think "holy sh*t, we did a great job getting that much for those players who are busts and brought in a 40gl scorer and our potential LB for the next 8yrs for a bargain", all tin foilers see and think is "ah ha! we got 60M and spent 50M and that is unacceptable from our owners". That is a really shitty attitude to have towards the team.

      Tin foilers are unable to see intent and are fixated on what the net spend ends up being without regard for context, so i know the excuses will continue this summer when we go after quality players, but i just hope they are fresh and innovative. Phil's sale has already been sliced too many ways so it is worn out.
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      Re: Relegated clubs - who would you pinch??
      Reply #55: May 11, 2018 05:11:36 pm
      Here are a couple of things about the tin foil community that i find amusing when it comes to net spend:

      1. You look at net spend to satisfy your confirmation bias and never looking at the context of why key players were sold that are driving the transfer money coming in. Sterling, Suarez and Coutinho all forced their way out and their sales were to get rid of a problem but with your tunnel vision you only see these sales being done to fund purchases. There is no other possible explanation.

      Countinho is a great example of this shitty view. Phil was given a shiny new contract but a few months before he started his ploy to leave the team by putting in his TR the day before the opening game of the season, being "injured" and not playing but miraculously recovering on the flight to Brazil to play for the national team, only for the same flight back to injure him again. At that same time he was doing this and we had spent on Salah, Ox, Robertson, tried like hell to get Keita and would have gotten VVD if not for some weird f**k up by someone, we were saying "Phil is not for sale" and he was told to stay. Eventually when Klopp had had enough Phil was sold but your cynical, short-sighted view is that we made the purchases we did because we knew we were going to sell.

      2. It undermines the excellent job the scouts and operations team does for this team in both buying and selling players, where one year they can sucker teams into paying 30M for Benteke and 15M for Ibe, who have 5 goals between them this season, and the following year turn around and get Salah for basically the same money. Or get 15M for Allen and unearth Andy Robertson for 9M. While i look at these examples and think "holy sh*t, we did a great job getting that much for those players who are busts and brought in a 40gl scorer and our potential LB for the next 8yrs for a bargain", all tin foilers see and think is "ah ha! we got 60M and spent 50M and that is unacceptable from our owners". That is a really shitty attitude to have towards the team.

      Tin foilers are unable to see intent and are fixated on what the net spend ends up being without regard for context, so i know the excuses will continue this summer when we go after quality players, but i just hope they are fresh and innovative. Phil's sale has already been sliced too many ways so it is worn out.

      Here’s a tip.

      If you used less rhetoric you really wouldn’t need to number your deep, considered argument all the way to................2

      Just sayin’ ;)

      Oh and are you sure you have the tin foil label right way round......because you’ve got my fillings going crazy!
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      Re: Relegated clubs - who would you pinch??
      Reply #56: May 12, 2018 07:54:12 pm
      Forget about Shaqiri, he is a prima donna and will kick up a fuss if he doesn't start games, and is too much of a luxury player to have around.

      In my opinion the best transfers (to improve our bench) we could make from the relegated teams are:

      WBA - Salomon Rondon (good target-man who could offer us a plan B against bus parkers)

      Swansea - Fabianski (very good backup if Mignolet leaves and we don't sign a top keeper), Mawson (decent backup for Matip and VVD), i was going to say Andre Ayew but he is in the same bracket as Shaqiri

      Stoke - Butland (again a very good keeper who could challenge Karius), Ramadan Sobhi (young, a decent backup for the wing role), Josh Tymon (a good prospect who could develop further).
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      Re: Relegated clubs - who would you pinch??
      Reply #57: May 13, 2018 03:05:29 pm
      No. No one of interest.

      See Crouchie is lining up as centre forward for Stoke today .


      He left us 10 years ago.
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      Reply #58: May 15, 2018 09:12:16 am
      If a gun was put to my head and I had to take one from each it would be:

      Swansea - Mawson
      Stoke - Shaqiri
      WBA - Evans (I know he is a former Manc but he is solid)
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      Reply #59: May 15, 2018 09:19:57 am
      If a gun was put to my head and I had to take one from each it would be:



      If  gun was put to my head and I had to choose one from each



      I'd let them pull the trigger

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      Reply #60: May 15, 2018 10:09:16 am
      If a gun was put to my head and I had to take one from each it would be:

      Swansea - Mawson
      Stoke - Shaqiri
      WBA - Evans (I know he is a former Manc but he is solid)

      If  gun was put to my head and I had to choose one from each



      I'd let them pull the trigger

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      I’d point it at them.......
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      Reply #61: May 16, 2018 12:08:00 am
      How about signing players that probably kept a club up.

      West Ham:

      Lanzini or Arnaoutovic.
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      Reply #62: May 16, 2018 12:16:14 am
      How about signing players that probably kept a club up.

      West Ham:

      Lanzini or Arnaoutovic.

      Good shout. Arnautovic is an interesting one - when we played West Ham a couple of months back he was definitely the in form player (and probably one of the most in form players in the league). We did really well in stopping him from doing any damage although there were a couple of moments where on another day he would have got something. Really strong and powerful as well and would be an excellent player for us in many ways. But his attitude however is something I don't know about. I know he goaded Mark Hughes on the touchline a few weeks back and I'm not sure if Klopp would like that.
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      Reply #63: May 16, 2018 12:28:30 am
      Good shout. Arnautovic is an interesting one - when we played West Ham a couple of months back he was definitely the in form player (and probably one of the most in form players in the league). We did really well in stopping him from doing any damage although there were a couple of moments where on another day he would have got something. Really strong and powerful as well and would be an excellent player for us in many ways. But his attitude however is something I don't know about. I know he goaded Mark Hughes on the touchline a few weeks back and I'm not sure if Klopp would like that.

      We need a snide.
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      Reply #64: May 21, 2018 09:10:20 am

      Certainly quick (enough) and physical.

      Good finisher......Bobby understudy?
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      Reply #65: May 21, 2018 10:23:49 am
      Not Arnautovic. Comes across as an arsehole - thick, egotistical, potential trouble maker. Don't think Klopp would go near him.

      Lanzini I like, but I'm not sure if he's the type of player we need. Ox was our Coutinho replacement, and Lallana is is our other option for the creative mid role. If there are question marks about Lallana's fitness, then maybe Lanzini might come into the reckoning ( although if the rumours about Fekir are right, we may be already addressing that.)
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      Reply #66: May 21, 2018 11:38:42 am
      Not Arnautovic. Comes across as an arsehole - thick, egotistical, potential trouble maker. Don't think Klopp would go near him.

      I agree
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      Reply #67: May 21, 2018 12:09:37 pm
      Not Arnautovic. Comes across as an arsehole - thick, egotistical, potential trouble maker. Don't think Klopp would go near him.

      Lanzini I like, but I'm not sure if he's the type of player we need. Ox was our Coutinho replacement, and Lallana is is our other option for the creative mid role. If there are question marks about Lallana's fitness, then maybe Lanzini might come into the reckoning ( although if the rumours about Fekir are right, we may be already addressing that.)

      Just spitballing........BUT funny though I do remember Jürgen specifically talking about Arnautovic’s quality before / after a game this season or last.

      Was very complimentary.......
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      Reply #68: May 21, 2018 12:15:07 pm
      Not Arnautovic. Comes across as an arsehole - thick, egotistical, potential trouble maker. Don't think Klopp would go near him.

      Lanzini I like, but I'm not sure if he's the type of player we need. Ox was our Coutinho replacement, and Lallana is is our other option for the creative mid role. If there are question marks about Lallana's fitness, then maybe Lanzini might come into the reckoning ( although if the rumours about Fekir are right, we may be already addressing that.)

      Remember when he left werder bremen bild thanked arnautovic for all the stories he managed to create for them and at inter milan he knicked samuel eto'o's cat
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      Reply #69: May 21, 2018 01:44:04 pm

      Is that a euphemism for something?
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      Reply #70: May 21, 2018 02:45:35 pm
      Good shout. Arnautovic is an interesting one - when we played West Ham a couple of months back he was definitely the in form player (and probably one of the most in form players in the league). We did really well in stopping him from doing any damage although there were a couple of moments where on another day he would have got something. Really strong and powerful as well and would be an excellent player for us in many ways. But his attitude however is something I don't know about. I know he goaded Mark Hughes on the touchline a few weeks back and I'm not sure if Klopp would like that.

      He's a bit of a maverick by most accounts. Pretty sure Mourinho called him 'unmanageable'. You'd like to think he would change for an opportunity like Liverpool but it never ceases to amaze me how that sort of thing rarely ever curbs their attitudes.

      There's nobody in the relegated teams of any use to us really. Perhaps Livermore as sven further cover in the middle.
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      Reply #71: May 21, 2018 02:55:17 pm

      We definitely do.

      I'd take Arnautovic here.
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      Reply #72: May 24, 2018 09:02:07 am
      Even if Southampton are staying up I'd take a look at Oriol Romeu.

      I Like the way he plays, no-nonsense. Impressive numbers (for the season) in terms of interceptions (5th) and tackles (7th). An upgrade defensively over what we have in that position.
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      Reply #73: May 27, 2018 10:48:04 am
      we need to stop looking at these types of players now, we need elite players now.

      and for every good or half decent player we have got from these types of teams we have a dozen failures
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      Reply #74: May 27, 2018 11:19:36 am
      we need to stop looking at these types of players now, we need elite players now.

      and for every good or half decent player we have got from these types of teams we have a dozen failures

      For every Mignolet , there is a Robertson.

      I agree to an extent. our first 11 is pretty good, though the midfield is getting upgraded (with keita and hopefully Fekir) and hopefully a  new goalkeeper.

      Defence has improved with VVD and Robertson.

      We need a bigger squad with extra quality. We proved last night in the first 25 minutes we could go head to head with the very best.

      I trust Klopp - his record in the transfer market is pretty good.

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