Jürgen Klopp - LFC Manager - 2018/19 Edition

Yeah start AOC having played 15 mins or whatever the f**k it is of first team football in a year.

It's the same moron who keeps claiming making top 4 in the league is all Klopp was put in charge for, so consider the source.

Yeah start AOC having played 15 mins or whatever the F**k it is of first team football in a year.

He was considered fit enough to be on the bench and play last week, therefore he was fit enough this week. He was not included in the European squad for effect, he's in it to play when he's fit and available.

He wasn't taken to Barcelona at all, and we're now 0-3 down. Bizarrely TAA was dropped as well. Firmino should have started. If he could create a chance in 5 minutes, he could have done a lot more beforehand. This is the semi final of the European Cup. Big decisions have to be made, and ultimately the ones made this time were called wrong.

He was considered fit enough to be on the bench and play last week, therefore he was fit enough this week. He was not included in the European squad for effect, he's in it to play when he's fit and available.

He wasn't taken to Barcelona at all, and we're now 0-3 down. Bizarrely TAA was dropped as well. Firmino should have started. If he could create a chance in 5 minutes, he could have done a lot more beforehand. This is the semi final of the European Cup. Big decisions have to be made, and ultimately the ones made this time were called wrong.

You clearly have no concept about injuries and the risk of injury.

He wasn't taken to Barcelona at all

He was

He was sat behind the dugout

But any way the concept of him starting last night is ludicrous

No, what is ludicrous is not playing your strongest available side in your biggest games, and then not getting the result you need.

There are lots of times I question the line up. Most of the time we get a result so it doesn't matter. We didn't this time, so questions have to, and should be asked. Why did x start and y not start? I'm very pro-Jürgen and still believe in him. But when he gets it wrong, we have to ask why.

Fair enough, I accept AOC was sat behind the bench. But tbh, he's not much use there. He is now fit and available, and he should have played, even more so when Firmino didn't start. It's well known Barcelona struggle with pace, AOC should have been out there for us to capitalise on that.

People can talk about the risk of injuries. If we brought home a good result, they can say Jürgen got the big calls right. It's not his fault that players miss open goals, fire clearcut chances straight at the keeper or somewhere in the general direction of Sabadell. But he is responsible for why players play and why others don't. He took gambles in the starting line up for this game that didn't work, the risk of going out is now much greater than it was 24 hours ago, and he has to be held responsible for it.

No, what is ludicrous is not playing your strongest available side in your biggest games, and then not getting the result you need.

There are lots of times I question the line up. Most of the time we get a result so it doesn't matter. We didn't this time, so questions have to, and should be asked. Why did x start and y not start? I'm very pro-Jürgen and still believe in him. But when he gets it wrong, we have to ask why.

Fair enough, I accept AOC was sat behind the bench. But tbh, he's not much use there. He is now fit and available, and he should have played, even more so when Firmino didn't start. It's well known Barcelona struggle with pace, AOC should have been out there for us to capitalise on that.

People can talk about the risk of injuries. If we brought home a good result, they can say Jürgen got the big calls right. It's not his fault that players miss open goals, fire clearcut chances straight at the keeper or somewhere in the general direction of Sabadell. But he is responsible for why players play and why others don't. He took gambles in the starting line up for this game that didn't work, the risk of going out is now much greater than it was 24 hours ago, and he has to be held responsible for it.

Are you seriously suggesting the manager should have started a guy who has had a total of 10 mins first time football in 12 months after a awful knee injury ?!?

We didn’t get beat 3 nil because of the team the manager picked - we lost because Mane , Salah and Milner missed golden chances that they have taken all year

There were a couple of quirky selection decisions last night but you have to look at the game itself, we created numerous chances, were dominant for large patches of the game and it was prolifigate finishing that has cost us. People always like to look at team selection after a loss and say we should have started this player or that player and we would have won and you can see several examples of that in this thread already.

Are you seriously suggesting the manager should have started a guy who has had a total of 10 mins first time football in 12 months after a awful knee injury ?!?

He has recovered from the knee injury. If he's fit and available, which he is, then play him when you can. Firmino was given the all clear from the medical staff, and he should have started. We'll never know how many more chances he could have had, or made for others. What we do know is we need another Houdini job next week.

He was prepared to play Gomez, who has also just recovered from a serious injury. This is May. It's not a time for gambling or experimenting or resting, play your strongest team available in the biggest games. We can cope with injuries, there are 4 games maximum left. What we can't cope with is the demand of having to score 5 goals, possibly more, against Barcelona in 90 minutes.

He has recovered from the knee injury. If he's fit and available, which he is, then play him when you can. Firmino was given the all clear from the medical staff, and he should have started. We'll never know how many more chances he could have had, or made for others. What we do know is we need another Houdini job next week.

He was prepared to play Gomez, who has also just recovered from a serious injury. This is May. It's not a time for gambling or experimenting or resting, play your strongest team available in the biggest games. We can cope with injuries, there are 4 games maximum left. What we can't cope with is the demand of having to score 5 goals, possibly more, against Barcelona in 90 minutes.

Isn’t that a contradiction? You are critical of the Gomez selection on the one hand because he isn’t ready and then bemoaning the fact Aoc wasn’t in the squad for similar reasons.

He has recovered from the knee injury. If he's fit and available, which he is, then play him when you can. Firmino was given the all clear from the medical staff, and he should have started. We'll never know how many more chances he could have had, or made for others. What we do know is we need another Houdini job next week.

He was prepared to play Gomez, who has also just recovered from a serious injury. This is May. It's not a time for gambling or experimenting or resting, play your strongest team available in the biggest games. We can cope with injuries, there are 4 games maximum left. What we can't cope with is the demand of having to score 5 goals, possibly more, against Barcelona in 90 minutes.

Picture this scenario..Bobby plays from the start..then after 20 he breaks down gets dragged off..resulting in compounding his injury and out for the rest of the season,...City drop points V Leicester giving us the advantage going into the last game V Wolves, but Bobby is missing,  Wolves play out of their skins, we have one of those,  we can't score for  sh*t games, we need Bobby, City win 20 nil V Brighton,  we lose the league because Bobby should have been rested against Barca...!!



YNWA

There were a couple of quirky selection decisions last night but you have to look at the game itself, we created numerous chances, were dominant for large patches of the game and it was prolifigate finishing that has cost us. People always like to look at team selection after a loss and say we should have started this player or that player and we would have won and you can see several examples of that in this thread already.

Team selection had nothing to do with that loss, we dominated them for large parts of the game and created plenty chances which we didn't put away.

We also made some mistakes at the back, could blame our player of the season for the 1st goal at least, although I prefer to say how brilliant the pass was, and a great run and finish by suarez.

2nd goal was bad, but they also got a lucky break when it fell perfectly for Messi.

Then theres messi FK, amazing, just a great goal.

Its a football match a semi final v some of the best players in the world, sh1t happens eh.

I agree that team selection although a bit weird wasn't the issue at all. If Milner buries it a 1-0 and we tie the game there's no telling if we end up winning it 1-3. We certainly generated enough chances to score more than once. It just really was a game where you get nothing in your favor. Just look at that interception into perfect rebound for Suarez into thigh shot into perfect rebound for Messi. So many variables went perfectly right for that to happen.

Don't even get me started on that free kick. Messi is an amazing player, but let's not pretend like he scores one of those every week. He has it in him to score that kind of monstruosity (obviously), but we were just unlucky to be on the receiving end when he pulled it off.

Altogether I get the feel that if we could replay that game 10 times what happened on wednesday is the only scenario in which we get beaten 3-0.

Oh well. Onwards and upwards.

You clearly have no concept about injuries and the risk of injury.

What...??
A player can be injured in the first min of a game as well as in the last minute of one, but you increase that likelihood with players over stretching when chasing a game...
It seems to me that it is you who "clearly have no concept about injuries and the risk of injury."

Picture this scenario..Bobby plays from the start..then after 20 he breaks down gets dragged off..resulting in compounding his injury and out for the rest of the season,...City drop points V Leicester giving us the advantage going into the last game V Wolves, but Bobby is missing,  Wolves play out of their skins, we have one of those,  we can't score for  sh*t games, we need Bobby, City win 20 nil V Brighton,  we lose the league because Bobby should have been rested against Barca...!!



YNWA

The same could have happened in the last 15 mins

What...??
A player can be injured in the first min of a game as well as in the last minute of one, but you increase that likelihood with players over stretching when chasing a game...
It seems to me that it is you who "clearly have no concept about injuries and the risk of injury."

After a long term injury, or while carrying a small injury, the chance of further injury is greatly increased, the longer a player plays.
This is common knowledge.

The same could have happened in the last 15 mins

Much less likely, the pace of the game slows down as it goes on, so the risk of injury is less when coming on late in a game.

The same could have happened in the last 15 mins

The point being...Jürgen didn't want to risk him, Jürgen felt that putting Gini in as a false 9 kept the overall balance of the side,...albeit Gini is no Bobby, but Jürgen thought he'd do a good enough job and didn't have to change the formation and keep to the plan,
As it happened it kind of worked but for our finishing which wasn't Gini's fault nor was it Jürgen's, it was down purely to poor finishing, on any other day it would have been 3-3 at least,  and you could even argue had Mane scored followed by Milner, Barca could have capitulated altogether and we would have been in the driving seat for the home leg, if's and but's , rub of the green, etc etc, all part and parcel of this level of football, but, in the cold light of day its down to scoring goals, they got 3 we got F**k all and that's the nuts & bolts of it, Not playing a player out of position and certainly Not any mistakes from our Brilliant manager !!




YNWA

The point being...Jürgen didn't want to risk him, Jürgen felt that putting Gini in as a false 9 kept the overall balance of the side,...albeit Gini is no Bobby, but Jürgen thought he'd do a good enough job and didn't have to change the formation and keep to the plan,
As it happened it kind of worked but for our finishing which wasn't Gini's fault nor was it Jürgen's, it was down purely to poor finishing, on any other day it would have been 3-3 at least,  and you could even argue had Mane scored followed by Milner, Barca could have capitulated altogether and we would have been in the driving seat for the home leg, if's and but's , rub of the green, etc etc, all part and parcel of this level of football, but, in the cold light of day its down to scoring goals, they got 3 we got f**k all and that's the nuts & bolts of it, Not playing a player out of position and certainly Not any mistakes from our Brilliant manager !!




YNWA

My point being there was more chance of him getting injured coming on chasing a game in the last fifteen minutes...
And If he was not fit enough to play why bring him in the first place, in fact why play him at all...? We had Shaqiri on the bench why not use him...?

The other thing is Milner and Henderson both playing together in midfield doe not work well. Been saying it all season...
Can't understand Klopp's thinking at times.

This is almost the same mistake he made vs Real...

 Real feared the pace of Salah. Salah gets injured and who do we have to replace him... No pace Sturridge. He leave Origi at home

Last Night he leaves The Ox off the bench...

It is OK having a plan, but you have to have a back up plan in case things go wrong.

In what plan did he see having Shaqiri (a player that he as hardly used) on the bench, above a player that he likes and uses regularly when fit in the Ox not even on the bench...?

Bunch of extreme views clashing with eachother. The drumming was partly the managers fault, but also the players too. Klopp isn't perfect, nobody is. He's good but he's made some mistakes. The Ox talk is ridiculous, but Hendo should have started alongside Keita. Before any replies mentioning about Keita's injury, read about the butterfly effect...

Isn’t that a contradiction? You are critical of the Gomez selection on the one hand because he isn’t ready and then bemoaning the fact Aoc wasn’t in the squad for similar reasons.

Gomez has recovered from his injury. I'm showing that he was willing to drop TAA for him, even though TAA has been playing well, was just as capable of doing the same job, and able to get forward and support the front two with buffet ball crosses.

Like Gomez, AOC is ready and Jürgen has been waiting a year for him to be fit and available. Now he is, and their pace issues should have suited his game down to the ground. He should have been out there, not sitting behind the bench.

Picture this scenario..Bobby plays from the start..then after 20 he breaks down gets dragged off..resulting in compounding his injury and out for the rest of the season,...City drop points V Leicester giving us the advantage going into the last game V Wolves, but Bobby is missing,  Wolves play out of their skins, we have one of those,  we can't score for  sh*t games, we need Bobby, City win 20 nil V Brighton,  we lose the league because Bobby should have been rested against Barca...!!

YNWA

You play your best players in your most important games. He was passed fit by the medical staff, therefore should have started. Within minutes after coming on, he had a golden chance cleared off the line. It could have been him scoring the chances that were missed, or creating room and space for teammates as he usually does. Unsurprisingly, Wijnaldum described the job asked of him as "difficult".

Like I said, Jürgen often makes line up calls, that I wonder if it's the right decision. Usually we get the result we want and Jürgen can tell us he was right all along. Not this time. He's taken us very far from where we were and we're much better off from where we started. But if we started with our best available side out there, the task at home next week would be considerably easier than it is.

What...??
A player can be injured in the first min of a game as well as in the last minute of one, but you increase that likelihood with players over stretching when chasing a game...
It seems to me that it is you who "clearly have no concept about injuries and the risk of injury."

I have no concept of injuries? Yet I was was right with when Ox would be back playing when there was talk of him returning in February... Okay then.

So someone says that we should have started Firmino, which in all likelihood would then mean him playing with the intention of lasting a minimum of say 70 minutes. A player who is ruled out of one game, and then a doubt going into the next game, due to a groin injury, isn't going to be starting it because of the increased chances of the injury being made worse. You don't start a game with one player and then take him off after about 15/20mins, you end the game with him playing that amount of time. At the end of the game the opposition will be more tired and should therefore be less effort needed when chasing them down, hassling them etc. Start a player with a slight injury doubt and he will have less chance against the opposition and less chance of getting through without making it worse. Clearly I do have concept of injuries because otherwise Klopp would have started Bobby, wouldn't he? and he wouldn't be listed as a doubt again for Newcastle, would he?

Anyone that thinks a player is capable of starting a game because they traveled, sat on the bench or came on as a sub quite frankly is an idiot that hasn't got the first clue about injuries. The same applies for making an appearance in one game and being completely ready for the next, or because you are training etc because it's so easy to have an unexpected setback. Yet it's me who you think doesn't understand the concept of injuries.

Come back to me when you've fu**ed the ACL in both knees more than once, had bad advice about playing again which has led to needing more surgery on it, when you've torn your groin and when you split your kneecap in half. I'd comfortably wager on it that I know a damn sight more about injuries than you
Muppet.

Klopp is damned regardless what decision he made regarding Bobby. He could have started Bobby and played him over an hour and made the injury worse and missed the rest of the season, but instead he chose a risk period of about 15mins at the end of the game to try and claw a goal or 2 back and not ruin Bobby's season. Either way, there's people like you and the clown across the water who are never happy either way because everything is just black and white for you guys.

Gomez has recovered from his injury. I'm showing that he was willing to drop TAA for him, even though TAA has been playing well, was just as capable of doing the same job, and able to get forward and support the front two with buffet ball crosses.

Like Gomez, AOC is ready and Jürgen has been waiting a year for him to be fit and available. Now he is, and their pace issues should have suited his game down to the ground. He should have been out there, not sitting behind the bench.

You play your best players in your most important games. He was passed fit by the medical staff, therefore should have started. Within minutes after coming on, he had a golden chance cleared off the line. It could have been him scoring the chances that were missed, or creating room and space for teammates as he usually does. Unsurprisingly, Wijnaldum described the job asked of him as "difficult".

Like I said, Jürgen often makes line up calls, that I wonder if it's the right decision. Usually we get the result we want and Jürgen can tell us he was right all along. Not this time. He's taken us very far from where we were and we're much better off from where we started. But if we started with our best available side out there, the task at home next week would be considerably easier than it is.

You just don't get it do you ?

Q, You like Jürgen i assume,  yes ?

Q, like most who support LFC, you trust Jürgen implicitly,  yes?

Q, You understand that he's quite the professional and knows slightly more than you or I know about football,  yes ?

Q, Is it then safe to assume that he knows more about the player's in his care along with his medical staff than perhaps you or I do, yes ?

Q, Is it also safe to assume therefore that he sees his charges everyday in training and is best suited to make judgement's on whether a particular player will be 100% at his optimum, and be able to perform to the very best of his capabilities, yes ?

Q, So, assuming you concur with all of the above, and that you are not medically trained in physiotherapy and have not experienced the ups and downs of football management,  except perhaps from your PS4, you might begin to understand that perhaps your barking up the wrong f***in tree. NO ??



YNWA

Klopp is damned regardless what decision he made regarding Bobby.

This isn't just about Bobby in my opinion. I'd have started him but if he truely was not available there are many things here I don't understand about Klopp.

Shaqiri is quality and Origi is okay, they were options ahead of Gini.
Why has Shaqiri been benched so long? If he's injured he shouldn't be on the bench! Gini in an advanced role looked out of shape, what's with the average defence... oh wait we played Gomez out of position because he doesn't trust Trent.... He obviously doesn't want Milner at RB like he did at LB and he must have conceded that Henderson at RB was a mistake... why else would be shift Gomez into his unnatural position? A much smaller impact would have been Clyne at RB and Gomez as CB.. but he's at Bournemouth now.

Henderson had been playing well as an 8, why drop him too?..

It was not just Bobby. The defense, midfield and attack were all set up weirdly from the start. People will point out our missed opportunities, but how many times in the league have we played badly and won because other teams didn't take opportunities but we did because we have more quality than them? It's the reason we've got a lot of points.

What I want to know mostly is what's happened with Shaqiri, if he can't get game where Bobby is benched and Gini is put on as a forward then what the heck is he even doing on the bench at all? If he's not injured I'm highly disappointed by his exclusion. If he is injured don't put him on the bench!

Watching us against Barcelona felt like watching a car being driven where 2nd gear was used for 30mph and 4th gear for turning corners instead of the other way around, sure it is technically possible but it's not the ideal way of driving, the same way we weren't set up to meet our best potential. We'd have been better going there much tighter hitting the counter not Klopp's full out attack.

"Why has Shaqiri been benched so long? "  A question I'd love answered.