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      Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)

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      Shabs
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #30: Jul 31, 2018 12:58:59 am
      Then we won't win as there won't be enough creativity in the middle. Henderson is a plodder, a sideway pass specialist plus he is f**king useless at shooting. His only ok'ish position is as DM or defensive minded Cm and we already have better.

      Whatever...
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #31: Jul 31, 2018 03:31:19 am

      Solid contribution as usual. ;-)
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #32: Jul 31, 2018 01:56:10 pm
      Solid contribution as usual. ;-)

      He's probably just sick of you stroking off the owners at every opportunity, only to turn around and criticize our captain.  Seems ass backwards to me....

      First and foremost, support the players and the manager. 

      You can praise the owners when we start winning trophies on a regular basis again...
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      Reply #33: Jul 31, 2018 02:44:24 pm
      He's probably just sick of you stroking off the owners at every opportunity, only to turn around and criticize our captain.  Seems ass backwards to me....

      First and foremost, support the players and the manager. 

      You can praise the owners when we start winning trophies on a regular basis again...

      No No No, you have it all wrong, I support the CLUB, the entire CLUB, that means I support the owners when they improve the club same as I support players for great performances and a manager for good tactical decisions etc I certainly don't let my prejudices dictate who I can or can't support.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #34: Jul 31, 2018 04:54:02 pm
      No No No, you have it all wrong, I support the CLUB, the entire CLUB, that means I support the owners when they improve the club same as I support players for great performances and a manager for good tactical decisions etc I certainly don't let my prejudices dictate who I can or can't support.

      The irony here is that Hendo has won the same number of trophies at Liverpool as FSG.  Yet it is the owners rather than our captain who you choose to praise.  It is blatantly obvious where your loyalties lie mate....
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #35: Jul 31, 2018 06:19:45 pm
      Yet another thread gone to sh*t over the owners debate.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #36: Jul 31, 2018 06:23:46 pm
      Yet another thread gone to sh*t over the owners debate.

      Better get used to it nothing stokes up the plusses quicker than a FSG dick swinging contest.

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      Reply #37: Jul 31, 2018 06:28:57 pm
      The irony here is that Hendo has won the same number of trophies at Liverpool as FSG.  Yet it is the owners rather than our captain who you choose to praise.  It is blatantly obvious where your loyalties lie mate....

      There you are, criticise me, automatic uptick, you're learning. Yes you are right, I don't rate Henderson whereas I think FSG are good owners at the moment.
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      Reply #38: Jul 31, 2018 06:29:36 pm
      Better get used to it nothing stokes up the plusses quicker than a FSG dick swinging contest.



      It is getting ridiculous now though.
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      Reply #39: Jul 31, 2018 06:48:59 pm
      There you are, criticise me, automatic uptick, you're learning. Yes you are right, I don't rate Henderson whereas I think FSG are good owners at the moment.

      I could give a f**k about the +1.  I'd just like to see you support our players as passionately as you do the owners.  Just my opinion though mate. 
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #40: Jul 31, 2018 07:04:25 pm
      Can't find it at the moment, but Tompkins did an excellent piece about Gini and the work he puts in, basically calling him the unsung hero of the team, who is hugely missed when he's not available.

      I'm not sure I'd put it that strongly, but imo Gini is a very underrated player.
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      Reply #41: Jul 31, 2018 09:31:05 pm
      Can't find it at the moment, but Tompkins did an excellent piece about Gini and the work he puts in, basically calling him the unsung hero of the team, who is hugely missed when he's not available.

      I'm not sure I'd put it that strongly, but imo Gini is a very underrated player.

      Just a tad bit inconsistent. I still rate him, but with the arrival of Keita he has some massive competition, hopefully it will up his game because he is a good player.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #42: Jul 31, 2018 10:51:46 pm
      Just a tad bit inconsistent. I still rate him, but with the arrival of Keita he has some massive competition, hopefully it will up his game because he is a good player.

      I see it a bit differently mate.

      Where others see lack of consistency, I see a fella doing the grunt work.
      That's not to say he is 100% consistent, no player is, I just see it differently.

      To put it another way, if I don't notice Gini, he's having a good game.
      I know that sounds counter intuitive, but I want to notice the flair players and the goalscorers.
      If I'm noticing the players who do the dirty work, it means we're under pressure or not playing well.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #43: Aug 01, 2018 12:33:30 pm
      Can't find it at the moment, but Tompkins did an excellent piece about Gini and the work he puts in, basically calling him the unsung hero of the team, who is hugely missed when he's not available.

      I'm not sure I'd put it that strongly, but imo Gini is a very underrated player.

      Completely agree mate, underrated player who does a huge amount of work protecting the back four when needed and supporting the attacking midfielders. Not glamorous, but doesn't need to be. If we're going to compete in four major competitions, we should be bending over backwards to keep such a workhorse and versatile player.


      Yes you are right, I don't rate Henderson whereas I think FSG are good owners at the moment.

      Agree with this as well. FSG have slowly grown to be very good owners. World class manager, investment in the stadium, big investment on players and back in CL with a squad capable of challenging for title. I'm sorry that people are bothered about not having sheikh billionaires, we can't have it all, but I'm quite happy at the moment. Hendo however, has had years to prove himself. He's a good player and a decent lad with great attitude to work rate, but he's just not good enough to play for what is a higher quality team now. Would happily keep him as a squad player, but with Keita, Fabinho, Ox to come back and Gini...I wouldn't give him much starting 11 opportunities this season.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #44: Aug 07, 2018 08:31:16 pm
      Way Gini has performed this pre season, would be highly surprised and dissapointed if we sold him.
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      Reply #45: Aug 07, 2018 09:13:22 pm
      Absolutely love players like him who are incredibly skilful but sacrifice this for the team he works his nuts off and like Henderson does the job the manager asks him to do .  To have players like Mo and Bobby in the team you need Gini and Hendo to do the dirty work without them you cant have Mo or Bobby.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #46: Aug 07, 2018 09:37:00 pm
      I reckon he will start the game at the weekend and that's fine by me.
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      Reply #47: Aug 07, 2018 10:05:53 pm
      There you are, criticise me, automatic uptick, you're learning. Yes you are right, I don't rate Henderson whereas I think FSG are good owners at the moment.

      Well good for you, I rate Hendo so where does that fit with you, it's all about opinions mate you have one, and everyone else has one. Get it, good, move on.
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      Reply #48: Aug 07, 2018 11:55:56 pm
      The irony here is that Hendo has won the same number of trophies at Liverpool as FSG.  Yet it is the owners rather than our captain who you choose to praise.  It is blatantly obvious where your loyalties lie mate....
      sh*t post.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #49: Aug 08, 2018 02:25:46 am
      I like Wijnaldum, always have done, when he's on his game then he bosses that midfield but literally the very next game he will be a ghost, a complete passenger, and we might as well be playing with 10 men. There's no consistency with him.

      And like I've been saying in other threads, it's consistency that seperates you from being a great plauer to a good one and it's consistency that wins you titles.

      For that reason I no longer want him in the first 11 but I don't want him to leave either. He is the perfect replacement for when Keita doesn't play.

       
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      Reply #50: Aug 08, 2018 07:02:59 pm
      I like Wijnaldum, always have done, when he's on his game then he bosses that midfield but literally the very next game he will be a ghost, a complete passenger, and we might as well be playing with 10 men. There's no consistency with him.

      And like I've been saying in other threads, it's consistency that seperates you from being a great plauer to a good one and it's consistency that wins you titles.

      For that reason I no longer want him in the first 11 but I don't want him to leave either. He is the perfect replacement for when Keita doesn't play.

      Yeah he's still a bit of an enigma is Gini. Some games great, other games he disappears. Does seem to be a real home and away thing with him too. Not just goals but his overall performances seem better at home.

      It's worth remembering he was practically a winger or an AM when we signed him. At home he gets to attack more, get into the box and play to his strengths. He's maybe still feeling his way into the more conservative CM role Jürgen has given him. I think he's a decent player and I want to keep him. Kind of feel there is more to come from him.
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      Re: Gini Wijnaldum (Fenerbahce)
      Reply #51: Aug 08, 2018 10:03:11 pm
      Smashing player and a huge part of our squad.

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