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      Improving Midfield - how will it set up?

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      Re: Improving Midfield - how will it set up?
      Reply #30: Aug 03, 2018 03:00:23 pm
      Lallana will start before either of them, but I'm not delighted about it. Would rather 4-3-3 with Shaq at the 10.
      I honestly don't see where Milly's role is this season other than a "hole filler". He was immense last season as probably deserves better, but just cant see where he fits anymore with so much depth (as I can't see Jordan getting dropped).

      Milner will be a utility player again, much like he was last season offering cover in LB and midfield, a very useful player.
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      Re: Improving Midfield - how will it set up?
      Reply #31: Aug 03, 2018 03:01:41 pm
      Lallana will start before either of them, but I'm not delighted about it. Would rather 4-3-3 with Shaq at the 10.
      I honestly don't see where Milly's role is this season other than a "hole filler". He was immense last season as probably deserves better, but just cant see where he fits anymore with so much depth (as I can't see Jordan getting dropped).

      Can't see Henderson being ahead of Fabinho.
      Definitely can see Milner and Wijnaldum getting less minutes.
      Would be more than happy to see Milner getting the role he had last year where he effectively nailed down a role but was looked after.
      Dude looks after himself and deserves to be an important player in the squad.

      Edit: Lallana is starting ahead of nobody btw. Reckon he's last in the pecking order across attacking and midfield options.
              Especially if he constantly keeps picking up fresh injuries.
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      Reply #32: Aug 03, 2018 05:36:52 pm
      I honestly don't see where Milly's role is this season other than a "hole filler". He was immense last season as probably deserves better, but just cant see where he fits anymore with so much depth (as I can't see Jordan getting dropped).

      It is his role within the squad and when we got low on bodies he came in and did a great job. Yes it is kinda unfair for him but he will play a part in the season as the fixture come thick and fast (especially where he doesn't play for England he is fresh option to have after those international break). I think you will see Gini play more advanced role within the mid-field 3 like he did a couple years ago being link between mid-field and attack which I think is his best role. Last season we was asked to play deeper role but with the additions we got I we don't need that from him.
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      Reply #33: Aug 03, 2018 06:07:14 pm
      Lallana will start before either of them, but I'm not delighted about it. Would rather 4-3-3 with Shaq at the 10.
      I honestly don't see where Milly's role is this season other than a "hole filler". He was immense last season as probably deserves better, but just cant see where he fits anymore with so much depth (as I can't see Jordan getting dropped).

      It’s the same role as he had last season. He only played as much as he did because of the injuries we kept getting in the midfield to Can, Gini, Ox and Hendo.
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      Reply #34: Aug 03, 2018 09:32:18 pm
      The midfield will be judged on performance and form. It may take 10-12 games before a settled pattern emerges and even then it will be subject to form. Point  is that Klopp now has much more quality at his disposal. One sour note is the terrible injury to AOC.

      Alex was just growing into it. Getting up to speed with our demands and he gets a bad injury. But Klopp has to deal with it and has the midfield squad to do that. So form will dictate his best midfield as I suppose it usually does, only this season he has more quality options.
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      Reply #35: Aug 03, 2018 10:12:09 pm
      I think Henderson, Keita and Fabinho are likely to be the favoured trio, followed by Milner, Wijnaldum and Lallana, in that order.

      It is such a shame about the Ox because he was arguably our best midfielder last year and only Keita can really fulfil that role IMO. Still, if Keita is fit and keeps his head then with our attacking trio + Shaqiri, we should scare the life out of most defences.

      It’s a lucky side that ever has just the right amount of options at any given time.
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      Reply #36: Aug 03, 2018 10:45:50 pm
      I think Henderson, Keita and Fabinho are likely to be the favoured trio, followed by Milner, Wijnaldum and Lallana, in that order.

      It is such a shame about the Ox because he was arguably our best midfielder last year and only Keita can really fulfil that role IMO. Still, if Keita is fit and keeps his head then with our attacking trio + Shaqiri, we should scare the life out of most defences.

      It’s a lucky side that ever has just the right amount of options at any given time.

      Aren't Hendo & Fabinho a bit to much alike. Would Klopp go with Mane,Bob,Salah,Shaqiri,Keita with. Hendo or Fabinho holding.

      Would that attacking front 6 blow teams away. Who would be able to deal with Mane, Firmino, Shaqiri and Mo Salah coming at them backed up by Keita. With a holding midfield player, either Hendo or Fabinho. Mind boggling attack,attack,attack.
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      Reply #37: Aug 04, 2018 12:42:05 am
      Aren't Hendo & Fabinho a bit to much alike. Would Klopp go with Mane,Bob,Salah,Shaqiri,Keita with. Hendo or Fabinho holding.

      Would that attacking front 6 blow teams away. Who would be able to deal with Mane, Firmino, Shaqiri and Mo Salah coming at them backed up by Keita. With a holding midfield player, either Hendo or Fabinho. Mind boggling attack,attack,attack.


      I think there’s a good chance of that if we play por ej. Maribor again as I feel confident we would win 11-0, but by and large I think it will be Hendo and Keita, along with, I presume, Fabinho given we spent £40m on him (haven’t seen much of him tbh) with plenty of opportunities for the others given the number of games we should expect to play and the manager’s tendency to rotate, which is unavoidable given the intensity with which we play.

      I’m just excited to see them all play, whoever the manager picks.
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      Reply #38: Aug 04, 2018 02:15:38 am
      Surprised to see so many writing off lallana. Ok, he was riddled with injury last season but I don't think he's a Daniel sturridge.

      The season before last he was arguably our player of the season in that 10 role. He was key to our pressing game. He performed that well I remember wanting him to be our captain.

      If he can stay fit and if he re-discovers that form then he will be one of the first names on the team sheet.

      I really like Lallana and thought he was boss for us in the 10 role.

      What I don't want to see is him being cover for either salah or mane. He is dreadful when he's played out wide because he can't beat a man.  If he plays then it has to be as the 10 or not at all.
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      Reply #39: Aug 04, 2018 09:42:40 am
      I think there’s a good chance of that if we play por ej. Maribor again as I feel confident we would win 11-0, but by and large I think it will be Hendo and Keita, along with, I presume, Fabinho given we spent £40m on him (haven’t seen much of him tbh) with plenty of opportunities for the others given the number of games we should expect to play and the manager’s tendency to rotate, which is unavoidable given the intensity with which we play.

      I’m just excited to see them all play, whoever the manager picks.


      I really hope we don't play 2 defensive midfielders in Henderson and Fabinho, that would be equivalent to last season when we had Henderson and Milner, way to negative unless we are trying to defend a lead.
      Henderson has his uses but he offers close to zero going forwards apart form keeping the ball moving and breaking down opposition plays, ie a DM. At CM he is only just ok.
      I would like to see Fabinho/Henderson, Keita and Lallana/Wijnaldum as our core starting trio.
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      Reply #40: Aug 04, 2018 12:48:17 pm
      Surprised to see so many writing off lallana. Ok, he was riddled with injury last season but I don't think he's a Daniel sturridge.

      The season before last he was arguably our player of the season in that 10 role. He was key to our pressing game. He performed that well I remember wanting him to be our captain.

      If he can stay fit and if he re-discovers that form then he will be one of the first names on the team sheet.

      I really like Lallana and thought he was boss for us in the 10 role.

      What I don't want to see is him being cover for either salah or mane. He is dreadful when he's played out wide because he can't beat a man.  If he plays then it has to be as the 10 or not at all.

      Agree about two seasons ago, and he is being given every opportunity to bounce back this season, only fair. But even after he came back from injuries last season he was...ineffective. He likely would have started in midfield today but, this time it's a calf muscle. Hopefully he will be back in action vs. Torino.

      Maybe he has another good season left in him - I hope he does. But Father Time is, as they say, undefeated.
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      Reply #41: Aug 05, 2018 10:43:54 pm
      I can see Klopp going with Mane,Bob,Salah,Keita,Fabinho,Hendo for the West Ham game. Won't want to get the balance wrong with the opener. He will keep Shaqiri in reserve and will play a more attacking midfield as games progress but Klopp will be well aware that WH will want to get off to a flyer and this might make him just err on the side of caution.

      A good solid start, no slip ups is more important than setting out on trying to blast WH away with a slightly risky all out attack policy.Blowing teams away will happen when we settle into the season but for the opener we want it solid from our area to theirs. Do the basics right, get the 3 points without any drama.
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      Reply #42: Aug 05, 2018 10:48:57 pm
      Wijnaldum - Fabinho - Keita for me.
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      Reply #43: Aug 06, 2018 03:47:48 pm
      Shaqiri, Fabinho and Keita in midfield.
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      Reply #44: Aug 06, 2018 11:43:25 pm
      If it was me, I'd go with:  Fabinho - Gini - Keita. 

      Keita is the only one who looks head and shoulders above the chasing pack. 

      Lallana (when fit) is a solid option, as are Hendo and Millie.  Any of these 3 can rotate with Fab or Gini with no significant drop in quality. 

      When Ox returns, he will walk into the starting lineup assuming he can get back to pre-injury form. 

      I'm still not convinced Shaqiri has the right skill set to play as a CM or CAM.  I think he's a brilliant signing and I think he will be great coming off the bench or the occasional start to give a rest to any of the front 3, but I think that's where he's best utilized.  Him and Studge provide the depth for our forward options, and that's where they need to be deployed in my opinion.  That said, I had the same opinion about Ox last summer.  I didn't think he had the skill set to play CM, and I thought he was coming in to provide depth on the wing -- he proved me wrong.  I'll be thrilled if Shaqiri proves me wrong this summer as the club will benefit from having such a talented and versatile player.

      *** If we sign Fekir, he walks into the starting lineup at #10.  I know it ain't happening, but we live in hope for a few more days. 
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      Re: Improving Midfield - how will it set up?
      Reply #45: Aug 07, 2018 12:10:19 am
      I would be surprised if Fabinho and Keita start against West Ham, don't think it's wise to have 2 debuting players in midfield in this league.

      Hendo won't be fit so I would imagine the midfield will be Keita, Milner and Gini for the first game.
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      Reply #46: Aug 07, 2018 10:52:00 am
      I would be surprised if Fabinho and Keita start against West Ham, don't think it's wise to have 2 debuting players in midfield in this league.

      Hendo won't be fit so I would imagine the midfield will be Keita, Milner and Gini for the first game.

      Yeah, I think you could be right. We will probably know more by the end of tonight.
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      Reply #47: Aug 14, 2018 12:43:29 pm
      Has signing Naby Keita, Xherdan Shaqiri and Fabinho made Liverpool’s midfield any better or is it a Jürgen Klopp trick?
      When every player expected to be available for Liverpool this season is fit and free of suspension, Jürgen Klopp has three midfields to choose from.

      There is the one that started on Sunday that included Naby Keita, James Milner and Georginio Wijnaldum. There is another that featured on the bench: Jordan Henderson, Adam Lallana and Fabinho. Klopp believes Xherdan Shaqiri can play as a No 8, so there is him, Curtis Jones and Marko Grujic to consider, though Grujic might leave on loan to a foreign club in the next few weeks. Inside the club, it is also believed that Trent Alexander-Arnold will evolve from full-back and into midfield. By the time he plays there, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is expected to have returned from injury.

      It might seem like Klopp’s options have never been richer but it is a credit to his management and the progression made under him that he has probably only made it seem that way. This time last year, he was recruiting Oxlade-Chamberlain to go with Emre Can and Philippe Coutinho – both of whom have since left for Juventus and Barcelona.

      Effectively, then, a combination of Keita and Shaqiri have been signed to make up for the loss of Coutinho, Fabinho has replaced Can, and Lallana – who was injured for most of the last campaign – makes up for the loss of Oxlade-Chamberlain.

      It is fair to conclude that Liverpool’s chances of beating Real Madrid in May’s Champions League final would have increased with Coutinho’s presence, so maybe Liverpool did end up missing him when it really mattered but by then – such had been the team’s unlikely achievements – his absence did not feature much in cold analysis.

      Klopp and Liverpool have, however, since been criticised for not pursuing other targets after a deal for Nabil Fekir collapsed. Yet Klopp had recognised last summer that Coutinho would more than likely leave and this explains why he was willing to pay a premium to get Keita so far in advance of his arrival.

      It is possible that Klopp could have signed Fekir and Shaqiri in the same week back at the start of June but when it became clear that Fekir was not happening, he remained calm having done his research on Shaqiri.

      Andreas Kornmayer, Liverpool’s head of fitness, had previously worked at Bayern Munich for fifteen years and for two and a half of those years, Shaqiri was there too. While Liverpool’s scouting department assessed that Shaqiri deserved better recognition for the decisiveness of his passing before concluding that his explosive shooting ability will see him score the sort of goals Liverpool will need from distance when opposition defences sit deep, Kornmayer offered reassurances about the player’s character. In signing Shaqiri, Klopp realised he was getting someone whose personality and ability would ensure his heralded front three don’t ease up while also giving added flexibility to his midfield.

      In the midst of this, it was suggested by Turkish media outlets that Wijnaldum might be sold to Fenerbahce, a club that had just appointed Phillip Cocu as manager – someone who coached Wijnaldum at PSV Eindhoven where they won the Eredivisie together.

      Wijnaldum, though, is valued by Klopp more than many might think. While Keita and Milner were widely credited for outstanding performances in the crushing victory over West Ham, the first player Klopp embraced at the final whistle was Wijnaldum. The Dutchman is a respected figure at Anfield – not only for his versatility and consistency but his intelligence. As the players later filtered through the main stand’s mixed zone, waiting in the corner was Kenny Dalglish with two of his grandchildren. Dalglish would engage with Wijnaldum for ten minutes, sharing stories and jokes, before the pair hugged and said their goodbyes.

      “I don’t know who put it in the media but it wasn’t me,” Wijnaldum responded when it was suggested to him that it would be a strange time to leave Liverpool considering the possibilities. “I laugh about it. I also read that I asked the club if I could leave. I never had a conversation with the club.

      “People from the outside just see Liverpool is buying players, so players who are already here are going to leave. Liverpool will always buy good players, even if they already have good players. That's normal. I think it has to be normal for a club like Liverpool because that means you're a big club.”

      Wijnaldum was reminded about the number of options Klopp currently has before the pressures and the strain of the campaign kick in, impacting upon numbers. One of the key differences between this season and last is that Klopp is unlikely to lose any players in January – particularly one as influential as Coutinho.

      “I always want to play,” Wijnaldum said. “I think that kind of competition you have to get it in a team like Liverpool. I think Manchester City and Chelsea, with the new signings that they've made, have it also. I think each position there is competition and it's good at Liverpool. Back in the day it was not different.”

      Wijnaldum would speak about the talents of Keita before considering what Liverpool might achieve.

      “He [Keita] has a lot of qualities. He can provide assists, he can score goals. He showed it in Germany. He can keep the ball and give us - I don't want to say time to rest - time to keep the ball as a team. I think he can regain the ball, his counter-pressing is good. I think he's a good signing for us.

      “We feel that we can do something special. We felt it last year also. But feeling is one thing, doing it is the second one. If City's going to play like they did last season then it will be really hard because they only lost two games and a few draws. If you want to compete with them you can barely drop points. That's really difficult but something we look forward to. So we will go for it.”

      https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/liverpool-news-naby-keita-fabinho-xherdan-shaqiri-midfield-any-better-jurgen-klopp-a8489441.html

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      Reply #48: Aug 14, 2018 01:14:35 pm
      Reckon first choice will be fabinho keita and lallana

      I'm hoping it'll be Keita, Milner, Fabinho.

      Ox coming back will make it more interesting. Rotate Hendo, Gini and Shakiri.
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      Reply #49: Aug 14, 2018 01:50:23 pm
      I see Keita playing most games this season with everyone else battling for the two other spots but won't be surprised to see him part of the front three on the left if one of Salah, Bobby or Mane is hurt.

      I really like all our midfield options with Fabinho (new signing) and Lallana (injuries) having the most to prove this season.
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      Reply #50: Aug 14, 2018 05:51:51 pm
      I'm hoping it'll be Keita, Milner, Fabinho.

      Ox coming back will make it more interesting. Rotate Hendo, Gini and Shakiri.

      Changed my mind since then, reckon we will see a fair bit of rotation with naby as the main exception as mentioned elsewhere
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      Reply #51: Aug 14, 2018 05:54:37 pm
      Changed my mind since then, reckon we will see a fair bit of rotation with naby as the main exception as mentioned elsewhere

      I've been watching a few of Klopp's interviews and pressers, and he's very into a lot of rotation this season, mentioning it quite a lot.
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      Reply #52: Aug 14, 2018 05:56:42 pm
      Keita vs West Ham
          88% Pass Success
          68 Total Passes
          1 Key Pass
          81 Touches
          2/3 Dribbles Completed
          1 Tackle
          1 Aerial Duel won
          1 Interception



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      Reply #53: Aug 14, 2018 05:59:57 pm
      I've been watching a few of Klopp's interviews and pressers, and he's very into a lot of rotation this season, mentioning it quite a lot.

      This is how I would like us to rotate, Keita/Lallana, Wijnaldum/Fabinho & Milner/Hendo. This way, we should keep the same balance as what we saw vs West Ham.
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      Reply #54: Aug 14, 2018 06:08:26 pm
      This is how I would like us to rotate, Keita/Lallana, Wijnaldum/Fabinho & Milner/Hendo. This way, we should keep the same balance as what we saw vs West Ham.

      Having watched it again, I really don't want to take the shine off a good win, but I have to say that West Ham midfield were absolutely woeful.
      4 of the 5 spent most of the game completely out of position, and our midfield 3 had a ridiculous amount of time and space.

      We can only beat what's in front of us, but we'll face far sterner tests from less expensive teams this season.
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      Reply #55: Aug 14, 2018 06:11:55 pm
      I've been watching a few of Klopp's interviews and pressers, and he's very into a lot of rotation this season, mentioning it quite a lot.

      Especially until Christmas as we learned the hard way 2 years ago that we need to roatate then
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      Reply #56: Aug 15, 2018 09:23:24 am
      Having watched it again, I really don't want to take the shine off a good win, but I have to say that West Ham midfield were absolutely woeful.
      4 of the 5 spent most of the game completely out of position, and our midfield 3 had a ridiculous amount of time and space.

      We can only beat what's in front of us, but we'll face far sterner tests from less expensive teams this season.

      Yep, they were genuinely woeful. It was encouraging that we were so dominant in every area of the pitch though. Previous years would have had me still worrying about giving away a silly goal through a defensive mistake or unnecessary set piece. Not this time though, we really were completely in control. It's comforting to see.

      Bigger tests indeed to come, will be interesting to see if Keita can handle tougher midfield tests. Pre-season and first game - early signs are very very good. Our best chance of winning the league since that Rafa season imo.
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      Reply #57: Aug 15, 2018 11:15:58 am
      This is how I would like us to rotate, Keita/Lallana, Wijnaldum/Fabinho & Milner/Hendo. This way, we should keep the same balance as what we saw vs West Ham.

      I'd like our core midfield to be Fabinho as #6, Keita as #8 and Shaquiri as #10.

      We have plenty of options in all positions though and that is so good and I think the one key thing which will make a difference for this season.
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      Reply #58: Aug 15, 2018 01:31:36 pm
      Yep, they were genuinely woeful. It was encouraging that we were so dominant in every area of the pitch though. Previous years would have had me still worrying about giving away a silly goal through a defensive mistake or unnecessary set piece. Not this time though, we really were completely in control. It's comforting to see.

      Bigger tests indeed to come, will be interesting to see if Keita can handle tougher midfield tests. Pre-season and first game - early signs are very very good. Our best chance of winning the league since that Rafa season imo.

      Again, I don't want to take the shine off a good performance for anyone, but we were dominant because West Ham were so awful.
      They were completely disjointed, clueless, and looked like 11 strangers on the pitch.
      I suppose that's what you get for giving a debut to 5 different players.

      As far as winning the league goes, I tend to assess how we're doing after a dozen games or so.
      We have a fairly solid squad, a great forward line and a couple of wild cards in Keita and Shaqiri who can make things happen, but as with all teams who win the league, we'll need a bit of luck along the way.
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      Reply #59: Aug 15, 2018 01:49:36 pm
      Keita starts for sure. Then I guess Fabinho and Hendo will rotate. As for the no. 10 spot or most attacking midfielder, I guess it will depend on the game.
      It seems that Shaqiri can cause the most troubles from midfield; Milner is Milner and will ahve an impact wherever he plays; Lallana I think will be on the bench most of the time but if he finds his former form back, great!; Wijnaldum is a very good squad player to have, it's a shame that he does not score or assist enough.

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