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      Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Re: Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #330: Sep 16, 2018 11:05:04 am
      Another mammoth performance against a very good side make no mistake about that. Milner outstanding. Only negative is Mane and Salah have to make better choices with the ball but sure Klopp will be telling them anyway, if they had made better choices we would have cruised to 4 goals and put it to bed a lot earlier. Great performance.
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      Reply #331: Sep 16, 2018 11:07:57 am
      Anyone concerned about mane and salah’s current lack of form...
      5 wins out of 5 without our two wide attackers being fully firing.
      Great signs in my eyes
      It shows that there is room for improvement and we aren’t currently overly reliant upon their massive ability.
      Would be more worried weirdly if we were hitting top form and individual performance this early in the season
      We aren’t.
      We are doing great.
      One step at a time
      A couple of  points here...

      1)The front work as a unit, and I believe that it is more down to Firmino not firing that is  effect Salah

      2)Last season I felt that Mane  was a bit perturbed about the amount of success that Salah was having, and at times it was like he did not want to pass to him. To me that is even more evident now, it is as if he (Mane) looks more for Keita than who is in the better position to receive the ball, and it seems as if he wants to be seen as the top goal scorer.

      3) Now people know what Salah is about he is being man marked and on receiving the ball will have at least two players on him.
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      Reply #332: Sep 16, 2018 11:24:47 am
      No not sure it was Vvd, there was someone else who turned their back to the shot, was it Wijnaldum? In any case it was a typical last minute cobcellation goal, bit sloppy but overall we were very solid, plus good to see Alisson just putting the ball out rather than silly tricks and flicks.
      Yes Sturridge did try to block it, but when the ball dropped to Lamela VVD turned and made a half step toward him and stopped. Had it been Jamie C, he would have thrown himself in there and blocked it, but as i said in his defense he was probably thinking "this is going back across goal"

      I have no problem with VVD, He is a great signing and asset to the team, but just felt on this occasion he could have done more

      plus good to see Alisson just putting the ball out rather than silly tricks and flicks.
      YES totally agree, but at one point it looked as if he was thinking about it  :o
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      Reply #333: Sep 16, 2018 11:27:59 am
      I went Gini - he’s been out most impressive for me so far this season.

      Milner snapping away and working hard and I don’t grudge him his plaudits one iota......but Gini so unsung for me.

      I think the “away goal” stay has created a convenient narrative for quite a few. That’s put to bed now.

      I agree. Wijnaldum has really excelled playing in the deeper role and he has been my player of the season so far too.

      He was poor at Leicester though when he was taken out of the 6 role. But the other four games he has been excellent.
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      Reply #334: Sep 16, 2018 12:13:50 pm
      Great result, and surprisingly easy.

      Our front 3 haven't hit anything close to full speed yet. Touch and decision making are still off. So if we are winning games comfortably now, it bodes well for what we can do when those 3 click into gear.

      Some signs they are getting closer yesterday - Bobby had his best game so far this season, and Salah in the 2nd half looked to be getting a bit more anger and intent into his game.

      Our midfield and defence are already pretty well up to speed. Especially Milner! Good signing he has turned out to be - been our best midfielder all year.
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      Reply #335: Sep 16, 2018 12:16:11 pm
      Watched it again.
      Blimey, spurs really were awful.
      They had a couple of spells where they got their sh*t together, but then unforced errors would knock them out of their stride again.

      Their midfield was woeful. Some of that was down to us, but a lot of it was just them being sh*t on the day.

      It really should have been a hammering, but 3 points is what matters.
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      Reply #336: Sep 16, 2018 12:17:52 pm
      We were stuck to the third gear because Mane and Salah (mostly Mane) were egoistic and we should ended the game earlier. Good for my prediction league :P
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      Reply #337: Sep 16, 2018 12:53:53 pm
      I think we got a load of favourable ref decisions yesterday. Oliver obviously remembers what Pochettino said last year about fooling the officials.
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      Reply #338: Sep 16, 2018 01:52:15 pm
      I agree but VVD was the closes to Lamela when the ball came to him and could have made a better effort to close him down and block off his shot. In his favor I believe that he was expecting him to play the ball across the six yard box and not to try and shoot

      No it wasn’t, was either Sturridge or Gini.
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      Reply #339: Sep 16, 2018 02:03:17 pm
      A couple of  points here...

      1)The front work as a unit, and I believe that it is more down to Firmino not firing that is  effect Salah

      2)Last season I felt that Mane  was a bit perturbed about the amount of success that Salah was having, and at times it was like he did not want to pass to him. To me that is even more evident now, it is as if he (Mane) looks more for Keita than who is in the better position to receive the ball, and it seems as if he wants to be seen as the top goal scorer.

      3) Now people know what Salah is about he is being man marked and on receiving the ball will have at least two players on him.
      The 2018-19 book on Salah and Firmino: neither have top end speed and defenders no longer give them space/buffer zone.
      These two are given no room to operate....no need to. Salah has no space what so ever.
      Mane does have speed/athletic advantage over defenders and is given significantly more space. His issue is decision making: Perpetual offsides, selfish ball possession. Best athlete but lacking intangibles to be great. I absolutely agree Mane has huge personal ambitions and it interferes with team play too often.
      What is clear through 5 games is that the Front 3 are not on the same page right now.
      The Front 3's best work came during CL play last season.....playing European teams with ambition to score goals instead of parking the bus. Given the intense competition in Liverpool's bracket, I expect every team to be throttle down leading to more wide open games.
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      Reply #340: Sep 16, 2018 02:13:09 pm
      The 2018-19 book on Salah and Firmino: neither have top end speed and defenders no longer give them space/buffer zone.
      These two are given no room to operate....no need to. Salah has no space what so ever.
      Mane does have speed/athletic advantage over defenders and is given significantly more space. His issue is decision making: Perpetual offsides, selfish ball possession. Best athlete but lacking intangibles to be great. I absolutely agree Mane has huge personal ambitions and it interferes with team play too often.
      What is clear through 5 games is that the Front 3 are not on the same page right now.
      The Front 3's best work came during CL play last season.....playing European teams with ambition to score goals instead of parking the bus. Given the intense competition in Liverpool's bracket, I expect every team to be throttle down leading to more wide open games.

      You lost me at Salah not having top end speed.... Are you blind?
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      Reply #341: Sep 16, 2018 02:20:39 pm
      I’m really happy with that performance yesterday. We defended so well. Gomez has to partner Virgil for the rest of the season. He has really come on this season, I always thought with a good run of games at centre half he would make it.
      The question of Mane and Salah not performing at their best...even when they are not they still strike fear in opponents with their pace I have no doubt Jürgen will get them gelling better as we get further into the season.
      Allison just looks amazing, he just looks so calm great shot stopper. Milner is fast becoming first name on the team sheet. Gona have a lovely Sunday on the beer😊
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      Reply #342: Sep 16, 2018 02:53:21 pm
      We were stuck to the third gear because Mane and Salah (mostly Mane) were egoistic and we should ended the game earlier. Good for my prediction league :P

      not sure if we might have a problem here I have noticed a few occasions this season were Mane has been greedy and should have played in Mo .However if their is one manager who will sort this out it will be Jürgen
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      Reply #343: Sep 16, 2018 04:41:15 pm
      Anyone concerned about mane and salah’s current lack of form...
      5 wins out of 5 without our two wide attackers being fully firing.
      Great signs in my eyes
      It shows that there is room for improvement and we aren’t currently overly reliant upon their massive ability.
      Would be more worried weirdly if we were hitting top form and individual performance this early in the season
      We aren’t.
      We are doing great.
      One step at a time 

      Don't know if I'd call it a lack of form, personally I just see it as defenders & goalies doing their jobs. Salah & Mane are not playing badly, they're still getting shots on goal etc
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      Reply #344: Sep 16, 2018 04:45:13 pm
      A couple of  points here...

      1)The front work as a unit, and I believe that it is more down to Firmino not firing that is  effect Salah

      2)Last season I felt that Mane  was a bit perturbed about the amount of success that Salah was having, and at times it was like he did not want to pass to him. To me that is even more evident now, it is as if he (Mane) looks more for Keita than who is in the better position to receive the ball, and it seems as if he wants to be seen as the top goal scorer.

      3) Now people know what Salah is about he is being man marked and on receiving the ball will have at least two players on him.

      Or alternatively defenders were more used to Mane, hence Salah getting extra space etc as defenders were trying to double up on Mane. The first few games that has been reversed. Mane was excellent first game of the season because defenders were absolutely petrified of Salah finding space and that started working to Mane's benefit.
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      Reply #345: Sep 16, 2018 04:47:34 pm
      The 2018-19 book on Salah and Firmino: neither have top end speed and defenders no longer give them space/buffer zone.
      These two are given no room to operate....no need to. Salah has no space what so ever.
      Mane does have speed/athletic advantage over defenders and is given significantly more space. His issue is decision making: Perpetual offsides, selfish ball possession. Best athlete but lacking intangibles to be great. I absolutely agree Mane has huge personal ambitions and it interferes with team play too often.
      What is clear through 5 games is that the Front 3 are not on the same page right now.
      The Front 3's best work came during CL play last season.....playing European teams with ambition to score goals instead of parking the bus. Given the intense competition in Liverpool's bracket, I expect every team to be throttle down leading to more wide open games.

      More braindead armchair supporting waffle!
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      Reply #346: Sep 16, 2018 04:53:02 pm
      You lost me at Salah not having top end speed.... Are you blind?

      Another troll.
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      Reply #347: Sep 16, 2018 04:54:12 pm
      Don't know if I'd call it a lack of form, personally I just see it as defenders & goalies doing their jobs. Salah & Mane are not playing badly, they're still getting shots on goal etc

      Still getting shots on goal but whereas last season they were shots into the corners its now mostly at the keeper, just a bit of fine tuning needed, but I would like to see them clicking again soon.
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      Reply #348: Sep 16, 2018 04:57:05 pm
      Still getting shots on goal but whereas last season they were shots into the corners its now mostly at the keeper, just a bit of fine tuning needed, but I would like to see them clicking again soon.

      Again could just be tiredness kicking in from the world cup, you only have to look at Kane. Most important thing is we look stronger as a team.
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      Reply #349: Sep 16, 2018 05:01:57 pm
      Again could just be tiredness kicking in from the world cup, you only have to look at Kane. Most important thing is we look stronger as a team.

      For sure, we are a far better team this season, in fact we have the best defence at the moment, who would have thought that last year!
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      Reply #350: Sep 16, 2018 05:15:48 pm

      I think we got a load of favourable ref decisions yesterday. Oliver obviously remembers what Pochettino said last year about fooling the officials.

      I disagree.  Spurs fans (and most of the pundits) are banging on about the missed penalty call at the end, but Vertonghen was lucky not to see red for his jab to Firmino's eye socket.  That was an intentional swing at his face, and it resulted in an injury to our player.  Intentional hands to the face of an opposing player is a straight red.  Spurs should have been 2-0 behind and down to 10 men. 
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      Reply #351: Sep 16, 2018 05:54:12 pm
      I disagree.  Spurs fans (and most of the pundits) are banging on about the missed penalty call at the end, but Vertonghen was lucky not to see red for his jab to Firmino's eye socket.  That was an intentional swing at his face, and it resulted in an injury to our player.  Intentional hands to the face of an opposing player is a straight red.  Spurs should have been 2-0 behind and down to 10 men.

      Not to mentions Moura's deliberate elbow on VVD.
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      Reply #352: Sep 16, 2018 06:10:01 pm
      So as always the first thing I comment on is the starting line up. I was very, very happy with the starting 11 and i stated in the pre match thread it was the team I wanted. I said klopp needed to grow a pair and drop our captain for one of the biggest games of the season and that he did. I didn't doubt for one second it would be the wrong decision.

      The first three games of the season we controlled them very well, we looked confident, we played some good football and we deserved the points. As soon as we made a change at Leicester we looked all over the place, we really struggled but we got away with it somehow. So to go back to the original starting 11 was very refreshing and good to see.

      So the game starts and I'm not surprised one bit that we are in complete control again and we were dominating the game. We had some glorious opportunities to really hurt Spurs but we just lacked that final pass. They had a spell where they had the ball for ten minutes or so but our shape was brilliant. I said it the other week after the palace game but it doesn't matter how much possession the opposition have, you can still control the game without the ball and that's exactly what we did. I thought our defensive units were brilliant and I don't remember Kane touching the ball which shows how well we did defend. So Spurs might have had a bit of the ball but they did nothing with it.

      So we went in 1-0 up at HT and it was fully deserved. If we had gone in 3 or 4 up though it wouldn't have flattered us one bit and I don't think Spurs could have had any complaints.

      Second half begins and it's more or less identical to the first. If anything, we were even more dominant. We get the second goal and then that was it then, it was game over. We had a lot more chances to kill the game dead and that's my only criticism for today - just how wasteful we were in the final third. We conceded a soft goal in stoppage time but it was nothing more than a consolation for them. I felt sorry for the back four because they didn't deserve to concede a goal after such a solid and professional defensive display. Shout out to Gomez and VVD who once again were superb.

      People will say I'm obsessed but I don't care, I want to comment on Gini in the 6 and the very noticeable difference there is in having him in the team instead of Henderson.

      The first three games gini played in that position and I thought he was excellent. He played further up the pitch at Leicester just to accommodate Henderson and he was a passenger in that game and didn't get involved. He was back in the 6 position today and once again I thought he was excellent. The lad just oozes class in that position. His reading of the game is a thousand times better than what jordans is and he's much better and calmer on the ball too. He's so strong, he shields the ball extremely well (which wins us free kicks sometimes) and he very rarely loses possession. 9/10 times he chooses the right pass and his positioning is always spot on - he cuts out so much space which means the opposition can't play. I know klopp said recently that he sees Gini as an 8 but personally I see him as a 6 now. I think he's found his place in this team and has made that position his own for the time being. Brilliant performance from him and great to see him get on the score sheet too.

      2 weeks ago on this forum there were a few posters who were repeatedly saying Henderson is undroppable and klopp will always pick him no matter what. Well thankfully they were wron and it was blatantly obvious how well we played without him today. Due to their weird agendas and trying to prove he's this top player I'm sure they will fail to accept or admit that though.

      MOTM was James Milner who was all over the pitch. He's come on leaps and bounds and he's probably first name on the team sheet right now. Another top class, leader like performance from him. I loved the way he was slowing the game down by moaning at the ref when Spurs had a free kick or in the later stages of the game clipping the ball into the corners and barking at salah to shield it. Little things like that adding to his obvious energy levels and his quality too makes him a key asset to this side. Hes become a crucial player.

      Well done reds. A phenomenal performance. 5 out of 5. What a start.








      Hell yeah! So much better than going into RAWK and reading some account of the match by BabaYagu who's probably wittering on about some non sensical and very elaborate analogy between the liberation theorists of Brazil in the 1960s and Virgil Van Dijk's defensive play from corners...or something to that effect.
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      Reply #353: Sep 16, 2018 06:36:40 pm
      Re-watching the game again and 70  mins into it, f**k me; Robertson hardly got a mention today, but what an exceptional performance so far!!! Oh, and I can see why some voted VVD as MOTM, what a f**king monster.

      Think Robbo doesn't get a shout because he always impresses so much. He must have, but I can't remember him even having a bad game
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      Reply #354: Sep 16, 2018 06:37:58 pm
      I don't see to many problems with the front 3. They actually played well individually, may be once or twice the wrong option was taken. Salah kept at it especially in the second half. He shouldn't alter or change his game in any way. The goals will come, they will only dry up if he starts doubting himself.

      Mane has started the season well, plenty of energy and attacking threat. The lay off to Keita was the wrong option but still Keita should've put it away. Firmino isn't a conventional striker in the way Fowler or Kane is. He's so mobile, gets into all kinds of positions and is always a threat. All 3 pressed Spurs into 2/3 mistakes. Klopp was happy, he knows on another day we would've scored 5.

      Easier game than we all thought, good prep for PSG.
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      Reply #355: Sep 16, 2018 06:52:38 pm
      The midfield is still a work in progress obviously. Klopp will chop and change untill he can see the best line up. That won't really happen till at least 10 games in, may be more.

      Fabinho, Keita new to the squad and it will take time for them to get up to speed with the Prem and this club. Klopp knows what he gets from Milner, Hendo and Gini. With Alex out it will be difficult for Klopp to get the right balance. It's going to be a great battle for all of those to get and stay in the team. Alex did offer great attacking threat from midfield. Keita must take up the challenge in offering real attacking threat from midfield. Gini needs to do more in that respect as well.

      When the front 6 do click the goals will be flying in.
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      Reply #356: Sep 16, 2018 07:12:05 pm
      Think Robbo doesn't get a shout because he always impresses so much. He must have, but I can't remember him even having a bad game

      He has the odd dodgy moment, but it doesn't seem to affect him, and he just gets on with it.

      A proper solid full back, who creates his fair share.

      And to think he got called "a bargain basement typical FSG money saving signing" etc because he didn't cost twelvety billions.
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      Reply #357: Sep 16, 2018 07:22:25 pm
      He has the odd dodgy moment, but it doesn't seem to affect him, and he just gets on with it.

      A proper solid full back, who creates his fair share.

      And to think he got called "a bargain basement typical FSG money saving signing" etc because he didn't cost twelvety billions.

      Left back had been a serious problem for a decade or so though. It got that bad that we had to deploy Milner there.

      The signing of Robertson at the time was a little underwhelming let's be honest. Look at Becker and VVD for example. Two positions we desperately needed quality and we slapped the money on the table and brought in proper established players who have improved us instantly (and immensely).

      Robertson had a question mark over him. It we're being honest, none of us knew that much about him. Just a young inexperienced lad from a relegated club. Wasn't exactly something to get excited about was it? You can't blame anyone for being concerned or underwhelmed.

      However fair play to klopp, FSG, the scouts or whoever else found him because what a player he is. Best left back in the league for me and as JD says I can't remember him having a bad game for us. Absolute bargain - and those type of transfers are very hard to come by, they're very rare.

      Consistently giving 8-9 performances each week. Brilliant little player. Long may it continue.
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      Reply #358: Sep 16, 2018 07:53:03 pm
      Left back had been a serious problem for a decade or so though. It got that bad that we had to deploy Milner there.

      The signing of Robertson at the time was a little underwhelming let's be honest. Look at Becker and VVD for example. Two positions we desperately needed quality and we slapped the money on the table and brought in proper established players who have improved us instantly (and immensely).

      Robertson had a question mark over him. It we're being honest, none of us knew that much about him. Just a young inexperienced lad from a relegated club. Wasn't exactly something to get excited about was it? You can't blame anyone for being concerned or underwhelmed.

      However fair play to klopp, FSG, the scouts or whoever else found him because what a player he is. Best left back in the league for me and as JD says I can't remember him having a bad game for us. Absolute bargain - and those type of transfers are very hard to come by, they're very rare.

      Consistently giving 8-9 performances each week. Brilliant little player. Long may it continue.

      Nah, it's because thick cu*ts don't understand that sometimes you don't have to pay huge amounts for a player that fits.

      We see it every single transfer window, people judge by how much is spent on a player rather than looking at how the player fits the team.
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      Reply #359: Sep 16, 2018 08:02:11 pm
      Left back had been a serious problem for a decade or so though. It got that bad that we had to deploy Milner there.

      The signing of Robertson at the time was a little underwhelming let's be honest. Look at Becker and VVD for example. Two positions we desperately needed quality and we slapped the money on the table and brought in proper established players who have improved us instantly (and immensely).

      Robertson had a question mark over him. It we're being honest, none of us knew that much about him. Just a young inexperienced lad from a relegated club. Wasn't exactly something to get excited about was it? You can't blame anyone for being concerned or underwhelmed.

      However fair play to klopp, FSG, the scouts or whoever else found him because what a player he is. Best left back in the league for me and as JD says I can't remember him having a bad game for us. Absolute bargain - and those type of transfers are very hard to come by, they're very rare.

      Consistently giving 8-9 performances each week. Brilliant little player. Long may it continue.

      I love his simple approach to games, doesn’t ever over complicate the play. His passing is crisp, he has masses of energy which allows him to defend and attack consistently.

      No one can doubt his quality, what a signing. Must be worth £50/60m already.

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