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      Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion

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      harrydunn08
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      Re: Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Liverpool: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #350: Sep 16, 2018 05:15:48 pm

      I think we got a load of favourable ref decisions yesterday. Oliver obviously remembers what Pochettino said last year about fooling the officials.

      I disagree.  Spurs fans (and most of the pundits) are banging on about the missed penalty call at the end, but Vertonghen was lucky not to see red for his jab to Firmino's eye socket.  That was an intentional swing at his face, and it resulted in an injury to our player.  Intentional hands to the face of an opposing player is a straight red.  Spurs should have been 2-0 behind and down to 10 men. 
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      Reply #351: Sep 16, 2018 05:54:12 pm
      I disagree.  Spurs fans (and most of the pundits) are banging on about the missed penalty call at the end, but Vertonghen was lucky not to see red for his jab to Firmino's eye socket.  That was an intentional swing at his face, and it resulted in an injury to our player.  Intentional hands to the face of an opposing player is a straight red.  Spurs should have been 2-0 behind and down to 10 men.

      Not to mentions Moura's deliberate elbow on VVD.
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      Reply #352: Sep 16, 2018 06:10:01 pm
      So as always the first thing I comment on is the starting line up. I was very, very happy with the starting 11 and i stated in the pre match thread it was the team I wanted. I said klopp needed to grow a pair and drop our captain for one of the biggest games of the season and that he did. I didn't doubt for one second it would be the wrong decision.

      The first three games of the season we controlled them very well, we looked confident, we played some good football and we deserved the points. As soon as we made a change at Leicester we looked all over the place, we really struggled but we got away with it somehow. So to go back to the original starting 11 was very refreshing and good to see.

      So the game starts and I'm not surprised one bit that we are in complete control again and we were dominating the game. We had some glorious opportunities to really hurt Spurs but we just lacked that final pass. They had a spell where they had the ball for ten minutes or so but our shape was brilliant. I said it the other week after the palace game but it doesn't matter how much possession the opposition have, you can still control the game without the ball and that's exactly what we did. I thought our defensive units were brilliant and I don't remember Kane touching the ball which shows how well we did defend. So Spurs might have had a bit of the ball but they did nothing with it.

      So we went in 1-0 up at HT and it was fully deserved. If we had gone in 3 or 4 up though it wouldn't have flattered us one bit and I don't think Spurs could have had any complaints.

      Second half begins and it's more or less identical to the first. If anything, we were even more dominant. We get the second goal and then that was it then, it was game over. We had a lot more chances to kill the game dead and that's my only criticism for today - just how wasteful we were in the final third. We conceded a soft goal in stoppage time but it was nothing more than a consolation for them. I felt sorry for the back four because they didn't deserve to concede a goal after such a solid and professional defensive display. Shout out to Gomez and VVD who once again were superb.

      People will say I'm obsessed but I don't care, I want to comment on Gini in the 6 and the very noticeable difference there is in having him in the team instead of Henderson.

      The first three games gini played in that position and I thought he was excellent. He played further up the pitch at Leicester just to accommodate Henderson and he was a passenger in that game and didn't get involved. He was back in the 6 position today and once again I thought he was excellent. The lad just oozes class in that position. His reading of the game is a thousand times better than what jordans is and he's much better and calmer on the ball too. He's so strong, he shields the ball extremely well (which wins us free kicks sometimes) and he very rarely loses possession. 9/10 times he chooses the right pass and his positioning is always spot on - he cuts out so much space which means the opposition can't play. I know klopp said recently that he sees Gini as an 8 but personally I see him as a 6 now. I think he's found his place in this team and has made that position his own for the time being. Brilliant performance from him and great to see him get on the score sheet too.

      2 weeks ago on this forum there were a few posters who were repeatedly saying Henderson is undroppable and klopp will always pick him no matter what. Well thankfully they were wron and it was blatantly obvious how well we played without him today. Due to their weird agendas and trying to prove he's this top player I'm sure they will fail to accept or admit that though.

      MOTM was James Milner who was all over the pitch. He's come on leaps and bounds and he's probably first name on the team sheet right now. Another top class, leader like performance from him. I loved the way he was slowing the game down by moaning at the ref when Spurs had a free kick or in the later stages of the game clipping the ball into the corners and barking at salah to shield it. Little things like that adding to his obvious energy levels and his quality too makes him a key asset to this side. Hes become a crucial player.

      Well done reds. A phenomenal performance. 5 out of 5. What a start.








      Hell yeah! So much better than going into RAWK and reading some account of the match by BabaYagu who's probably wittering on about some non sensical and very elaborate analogy between the liberation theorists of Brazil in the 1960s and Virgil Van Dijk's defensive play from corners...or something to that effect.
      « Last Edit: Sep 16, 2018 06:15:08 pm by Frankly, Mr Shankly »
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      Reply #353: Sep 16, 2018 06:36:40 pm
      Re-watching the game again and 70  mins into it, f**k me; Robertson hardly got a mention today, but what an exceptional performance so far!!! Oh, and I can see why some voted VVD as MOTM, what a f**king monster.

      Think Robbo doesn't get a shout because he always impresses so much. He must have, but I can't remember him even having a bad game
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      Reply #354: Sep 16, 2018 06:37:58 pm
      I don't see to many problems with the front 3. They actually played well individually, may be once or twice the wrong option was taken. Salah kept at it especially in the second half. He shouldn't alter or change his game in any way. The goals will come, they will only dry up if he starts doubting himself.

      Mane has started the season well, plenty of energy and attacking threat. The lay off to Keita was the wrong option but still Keita should've put it away. Firmino isn't a conventional striker in the way Fowler or Kane is. He's so mobile, gets into all kinds of positions and is always a threat. All 3 pressed Spurs into 2/3 mistakes. Klopp was happy, he knows on another day we would've scored 5.

      Easier game than we all thought, good prep for PSG.
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      Reply #355: Sep 16, 2018 06:52:38 pm
      The midfield is still a work in progress obviously. Klopp will chop and change untill he can see the best line up. That won't really happen till at least 10 games in, may be more.

      Fabinho, Keita new to the squad and it will take time for them to get up to speed with the Prem and this club. Klopp knows what he gets from Milner, Hendo and Gini. With Alex out it will be difficult for Klopp to get the right balance. It's going to be a great battle for all of those to get and stay in the team. Alex did offer great attacking threat from midfield. Keita must take up the challenge in offering real attacking threat from midfield. Gini needs to do more in that respect as well.

      When the front 6 do click the goals will be flying in.
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      Reply #356: Sep 16, 2018 07:12:05 pm
      Think Robbo doesn't get a shout because he always impresses so much. He must have, but I can't remember him even having a bad game

      He has the odd dodgy moment, but it doesn't seem to affect him, and he just gets on with it.

      A proper solid full back, who creates his fair share.

      And to think he got called "a bargain basement typical FSG money saving signing" etc because he didn't cost twelvety billions.
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      Reply #357: Sep 16, 2018 07:22:25 pm
      He has the odd dodgy moment, but it doesn't seem to affect him, and he just gets on with it.

      A proper solid full back, who creates his fair share.

      And to think he got called "a bargain basement typical FSG money saving signing" etc because he didn't cost twelvety billions.

      Left back had been a serious problem for a decade or so though. It got that bad that we had to deploy Milner there.

      The signing of Robertson at the time was a little underwhelming let's be honest. Look at Becker and VVD for example. Two positions we desperately needed quality and we slapped the money on the table and brought in proper established players who have improved us instantly (and immensely).

      Robertson had a question mark over him. It we're being honest, none of us knew that much about him. Just a young inexperienced lad from a relegated club. Wasn't exactly something to get excited about was it? You can't blame anyone for being concerned or underwhelmed.

      However fair play to klopp, FSG, the scouts or whoever else found him because what a player he is. Best left back in the league for me and as JD says I can't remember him having a bad game for us. Absolute bargain - and those type of transfers are very hard to come by, they're very rare.

      Consistently giving 8-9 performances each week. Brilliant little player. Long may it continue.
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      Reply #358: Sep 16, 2018 07:53:03 pm
      Left back had been a serious problem for a decade or so though. It got that bad that we had to deploy Milner there.

      The signing of Robertson at the time was a little underwhelming let's be honest. Look at Becker and VVD for example. Two positions we desperately needed quality and we slapped the money on the table and brought in proper established players who have improved us instantly (and immensely).

      Robertson had a question mark over him. It we're being honest, none of us knew that much about him. Just a young inexperienced lad from a relegated club. Wasn't exactly something to get excited about was it? You can't blame anyone for being concerned or underwhelmed.

      However fair play to klopp, FSG, the scouts or whoever else found him because what a player he is. Best left back in the league for me and as JD says I can't remember him having a bad game for us. Absolute bargain - and those type of transfers are very hard to come by, they're very rare.

      Consistently giving 8-9 performances each week. Brilliant little player. Long may it continue.

      Nah, it's because thick cu*ts don't understand that sometimes you don't have to pay huge amounts for a player that fits.

      We see it every single transfer window, people judge by how much is spent on a player rather than looking at how the player fits the team.
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      Reply #359: Sep 16, 2018 08:02:11 pm
      Left back had been a serious problem for a decade or so though. It got that bad that we had to deploy Milner there.

      The signing of Robertson at the time was a little underwhelming let's be honest. Look at Becker and VVD for example. Two positions we desperately needed quality and we slapped the money on the table and brought in proper established players who have improved us instantly (and immensely).

      Robertson had a question mark over him. It we're being honest, none of us knew that much about him. Just a young inexperienced lad from a relegated club. Wasn't exactly something to get excited about was it? You can't blame anyone for being concerned or underwhelmed.

      However fair play to klopp, FSG, the scouts or whoever else found him because what a player he is. Best left back in the league for me and as JD says I can't remember him having a bad game for us. Absolute bargain - and those type of transfers are very hard to come by, they're very rare.

      Consistently giving 8-9 performances each week. Brilliant little player. Long may it continue.

      I love his simple approach to games, doesn’t ever over complicate the play. His passing is crisp, he has masses of energy which allows him to defend and attack consistently.

      No one can doubt his quality, what a signing. Must be worth £50/60m already.
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      Reply #360: Sep 16, 2018 08:18:57 pm
      Nah, it's because thick cu*ts don't understand that sometimes you don't have to pay huge amounts for a player that fits.

      We see it every single transfer window, people judge by how much is spent on a player rather than looking at how the player fits the team.

      You're very naive. Andy robertson signings don't happen very often otherwise city would have won multiple titles on a shoestring.

      In fact, if it was that easy then any club could do it.
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      Reply #361: Sep 16, 2018 08:26:49 pm
      You're very naive. Andy robertson signings don't happen very often otherwise city would have won multiple titles on a shoestring.

      In fact, if it was that easy then any club could do it.

      Really?

      Naive?

      Listen, many Klopp signings have been for well below market value, and we've seen the result of spending less than other clubs every single window on this very forum, with (you included) people f**king constantly whinging about how city or chelsea or who the f**k ever, spending more than us and getting their arses in an uproar about it.

      Our front 3 were all bought for prices that didn't reflect their ability.
      Milner was slated because he was "an aging freebie"
      Gomez slated as "we only ever buy potential"
      Wijnaldum constantly berated and people saying he was a waste of money.
      Robertson as "a cheap nobody, typical FSG, penny pinching"
      The list goes on.

      So get down off your f**king high horse, get a grip and try to understand what is being said rather than what you think is being said.
      « Last Edit: Sep 17, 2018 10:47:24 am by racerx34 »
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      Reply #362: Sep 16, 2018 11:09:07 pm
      Really?

      Naive?

      Listen, you pompous arsebiscuit, many Klopp signings have been for well below market value, and we've seen the result of spending less than other clubs every single window on this very forum, with (you included) people f**king constantly whinging about how city or chelsea or who the f**k ever, spending more than us and getting their arses in an uproar about it.

      Our front 3 were all bought for prices that didn't reflect their ability.
      Milner was slated because he was "an aging freebie"
      Gomez slated as "we only ever buy potential"
      Wijnaldum constantly berated and people saying he was a waste of money.
      Robertson as "a cheap nobody, typical FSG, penny pinching"
      The list goes on.

      So get down off your f**king high horse, get a grip and try to understand what is being said rather than what you think is being said.


      All I said was at the time Robertson was signed you can't blame fans for being underwhelmed because the position was so important.

      Some low fee transfers work out and occasionally a gem is found. That's what's happened with Robertson. But they are extremely rare and they don't come across often.

      No need to get abusive once again. You just look silly to be honest.
      « Last Edit: Sep 17, 2018 10:46:36 am by racerx34 »
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      Reply #363: Sep 17, 2018 12:17:30 am
      Really?

      Naive?

      Listen, you pompous arsebiscuit, many Klopp signings have been for well below market value, and we've seen the result of spending less than other clubs every single window on this very forum, with (you included) people f**king constantly whinging about how city or chelsea or who the f**k ever, spending more than us and getting their arses in an uproar about it.

      Our front 3 were all bought for prices that didn't reflect their ability.
      Milner was slated because he was "an aging freebie"
      Gomez slated as "we only ever buy potential"
      Wijnaldum constantly berated and people saying he was a waste of money.
      Robertson as "a cheap nobody, typical FSG, penny pinching"
      The list goes on.

      So get down off your f**king high horse, get a grip and try to understand what is being said rather than what you think is being said.

      Also, show me one quote from me where I've moaned about not spending the fees that Chelsea or city are. Ill wait.

      You're in a right mood because your boy Henderson got dropped for the Spurs game and we bossed them off the pitch and gave, arguably, our performance of the season, making all your comments two weeks ago looking rather silly and daft.
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      Reply #364: Sep 17, 2018 01:27:46 am
      Milner was exceptional today and he gave a proper leader/captain type performance. It's one of the things we've been missing since Stevie called it a day, just somebody to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and win the midfield battle.

      It wasn't long ago we were discussing how this team had zero leaders and now we find them all over the pitch and Milner is certainly one of them. Now it's a difference of opinion of course but I don't feel Henderson is fit to wear the armband, Milner is though in my opinion because of his performances like today. No shying away, no hiding behind other players. Standing up, being counted and being the best player on the f**king pitch.

      Ignoring the fact he gave a motm display just because you don't usually rate him or because Gary Neville said it too is just insane.

      And therein lies the nub of the problem posters on here have with Hendo. Constantly comparing Henderson to Gerrard. Pointless me going on about...truth is posters like you just do not know what your talking about..
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      Reply #365: Sep 17, 2018 07:03:59 am
      And therein lies the nub of the problem posters on here have with Hendo. Constantly comparing Henderson to Gerrard. Pointless me going on about...truth is posters like you just do not know what your talking about..

      He’s a season ticket holder mate, goes to the games most weeks. His posts are usually spot on I’m afraid.
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      Reply #366: Sep 17, 2018 07:04:42 am
      You're an angry little man you.

      All I said was at the time Robertson was signed you can't blame fans for being underwhelmed because the position was so important.

      Some low fee transfers work out and occasionally a gem is found. That's what's happened with Robertson. But they are extremely rare and they don't come across often.

      No need to get abusive once again. You just look silly to be honest.

      You did start it by calling him naive, there was no need for that.
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      Reply #367: Sep 17, 2018 08:39:40 am
      He’s a season ticket holder mate, goes to the games most weeks. His posts are usually spot on I’m afraid.

      Box holder get it right..... :)
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      Reply #368: Sep 17, 2018 11:42:00 am
      You did start it by calling him naive, there was no need for that.

      I think it's naive to think signings like Robertson are easy to find and that a football club doesn't necessarily have to invest money to compete.

      If that was true, why don't Bournemouth win the league then?
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      Reply #369: Sep 17, 2018 11:42:36 am
      Box holder get it right..... :)

      Not sure what this is supposed to mean.

      My season ticket is in the upper centenary though.
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      Reply #370: Sep 17, 2018 11:46:06 am
      And therein lies the nub of the problem posters on here have with Hendo. Constantly comparing Henderson to Gerrard. Pointless me going on about...truth is posters like you just do not know what your talking about..

      I've never compared henderson to Gerrard in terms of footballing ability. We probably won't see another Gerrard in our lifetime, he was one in a million.

      But I have compared Henderson to Gerrard when it comes to being a captain - which is fair, isn't it?

      I've said it before and I'll say it again, nobody is expecting jordan Henderson to be Steven Gerrard.

      James Milner isn't Steven Gerrard. He isn't anywhere close to being Steven Gerrard. But James Milner is fit to wear that armband. Go up a few posts and read my comments about him. For me, he is first name on the team sheet at the moment.

      Henderson and Milner have about as much ability as each other. There's little to separate them. But one continues to give motm performances and one is a passenger who isn't good enough to start for or captain this club.
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      Reply #371: Sep 17, 2018 12:10:27 pm

      All I said was at the time Robertson was signed you can't blame fans for being underwhelmed because the position was so important.

      Some low fee transfers work out and occasionally a gem is found. That's what's happened with Robertson. But they are extremely rare and they don't come across often.

      No need to get abusive once again. You just look silly to be honest.

      Well, yes I can and will slate "fans" who start bitching about a player based solely on price when they've never seen them play.

      It's not just Robertson either.
      We constantly see idiots moaning because another team has spent more.

      Once again, as you don't seem to be able to grasp this; it's not about the price, it's about how the player fits into the team and the managers plans.

      Also, as you don't seem to able to grasp this either; slagging off Henderson and thinking your opinion overrides the manager, and that you know better isn't "edgy" it's pure stupidity, because Klopp has forgotten more about football than any on here will ever know.
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      Reply #372: Sep 17, 2018 12:11:35 pm
      I think it's naive to think signings like Robertson are easy to find and that a football club doesn't necessarily have to invest money to compete.

      If that was true, why don't Bournemouth win the league then?

      Which would be fine if anyone had actually said that.
      They didn't.

      It's just you making sh*t up again.
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      Reply #373: Sep 17, 2018 12:37:59 pm
      Which would be fine if anyone had actually said that.
      They didn't.

      It's just you making sh*t up again.

      You called people thick cu*ts for not being over the moon for signing an unknown and inexperienced kid in a position we had struggled with for ten years. Nobody really expected Robertson to reach the heights he has. He's been an excellent signing but as I said, they dont come around often and they are very rare to find.

      'Making sh*t up again'. Me? You said something about me moaning about not spending money like city or Chelsea. Something I've never, ever said.


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      Reply #374: Sep 17, 2018 01:07:13 pm
      People questioned Klopp for buying Salah and the Ox, nobody questions him about it now. They also questioned him over signing Robbo. Robbo was an established international when he came here, and it was clear even from his debut against Palace, that he was the perfect fit for the role and a bargain. Not everyone who comes here for next to nothing is the next Solanke.

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      Last season I felt that Mane  was a bit perturbed about the amount of success that Salah was having, and at times it was like he did not want to pass to him. To me that is even more evident now, it is as if he (Mane) looks more for Keita than who is in the better position to receive the ball, and it seems as if he wants to be seen as the top goal scorer.

      After last year's result there, the above is a nice "problem" to have.

      Mane, like everyone else, doesn't care who scores, as long as we score. If he sees a teammate better positioned, he will find him. It's a team game.

      The first thing that went in our favour came about 6 weeks ago, with the news that we wouldn't have to play it at their new stadium. The second thing, was their injury crisis. It made our job much easier than it looked when they tried everything possible to make us be the first team to face them in their new stadium, with all the pomp ceremony and media promotion to go with it. That is somebody else's problem now.

      The strike force may not be firing on full cylinders yet, but we've still scored 2 more goals, conceded 7 less, and have 7 more points than at the same stage last season. We've won 9 games in a row now. Big teams, weak teams, bus parkers, long ballers, major rivals, we have an answer for them all atm. People will say I'm getting ahead of myself, I probably am, but I genuinely haven't seen this level of determination in the club to win the league since 87-88, when we had a few scores to settle after the disappointments of the previous season.

      But I also know that when we do drop the ball the next time, there will be another 200 posts to add to the match thread in question. They were all ready to go if that injury time decision went the other way. But it went our way, and all that spam had to be saved for another day.

      In the meantime, we're back to winning at Wembley, for the first time in 6 years. It took a while, but it was well worth the wait.

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