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      Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion

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      Swab
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #420: Oct 08, 2018 06:11:18 pm
      He did, but his style is too passive and horizontal. We need a guy with the desire to see the ball going vertical, a guy that has the desire to score his own goals and the ability to make something happen, kind of like Ox or Shaq. Either Henderson knows his limitations and stays with his style or Jürgen even demands that kind of defensive midfielder from him. Either way it doesn't work against top sides.

      Henderson plays to his instructions.
      Exactly to his instructions.

      You think players just rock up on matchday and do their own thing?
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #421: Oct 08, 2018 06:24:29 pm
      People just forgot about Lallana? Granted had his injuries but not long ago was England's go to player and a very important player
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #422: Oct 08, 2018 06:27:43 pm
      Think Jürgen is a big fan of Lallana so if he gets fit he will get game time and it is another player who gives us options
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #423: Oct 08, 2018 07:06:08 pm
      Would've settled for a point before the game given our recent form, so wasn't too disappointed.
      Plus when they miss a peno near the end, can't really complain.
      Gave Dejan MOTM - was worried when I saw him in the starting XI, but he did really well. And Gomez did well at RB. Jürgen got that change right I think.
      Up front we couldn't hit a barn door, and OK - against City can see why you might go with the tried and trusted regardless of form - but hope to see more of Studge and Shaq if Bob and Mo continue to struggle a bit.
      Hopefully Milner isn't too bad.

      Was hoping Keita was going to be the player to break forward with the ball and find space - and also be someone to 'get stuck into' the opposition - hasn't been doing it much yet, but early days. Whatever about Cou's weakness in defense, he was able to find balls for the front men, and we lack that with Gini/Hendo/Milly. So unlucky to be without Ox, and Fabinho isn't going to be that player.

      Need the front lads to find their form soon. We've had a great start to the season and we're in contention, but if this is going to be our season in the PL, Mo needs to rediscover his touch/confidence, and Bob needs to nick a few goals. Tough call for Jürgen - they need games to get the sharpness, but we can't afford to drop points, and personally would like to see more of Studge, and Shaq who looks hungry [and both maybe better options at set pieces]

      Long way to go, so far so good...
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #424: Oct 08, 2018 09:39:00 pm
      Whatever about Cou's weakness in defense, he was able to find balls for the front men, and we lack that with Gini/Hendo/Milly. So unlucky to be without Ox, and Fabinho isn't going to be that player.

      Anyone who could help us and is realistically possible for January? Is Fekir such a playmaker?

      I really hoped Keita and Fabinho would settle quicker, but apparently they need time, just like Shaq.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #425: Oct 08, 2018 09:47:51 pm
      Anyone who could help us and is realistically possible for January? Is Fekir such a playmaker?

      I really hoped Keita and Fabinho would settle quicker, but apparently they need time, just like Shaq.

      We should look into signing, Messi, Isco, Hazard, Dybala, Neymar, or even try to resign Coutinho, what do you think?
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #426: Oct 08, 2018 09:48:28 pm
      Shaqiri can do it, he's no more of a weakness in defense than Coutinho was.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #427: Oct 08, 2018 10:57:27 pm
      Surprised at that mate.

      Last season I thought Trent was exceptional against Sane and he had him in his pocket in the CL games.

      Gomez played a game against city at full back too where he misjudged a cross field pass that Sane got in behind and they ended up scoring!

      Trent needed a rest but I was shitting myself at Gomez playing right back. Thankfully Sane wasn't playing though.

      Gomez and Lovren were fine yesterday but in future I'd much prefer clyne coming in as a straight swap for Trent and keeping joe at centre half.

      It's hard to criticise either joe or Lovren after yesterday's game but I still feel if we see that defensive line up again then it'll cost us at some point.

      Yeah I know mate, Trent did have lots of players in his pocket last year but I just thought coming up against those 2, I wanted someone who is actually gonna sit back and defend that channel. I was hoping Clyne got a game as well but wasn't too upset when I saw Joe there. Was only for that game mate, back to normal with Trent, he's had a rest, felt a bit sorry for him as it was his Birthday and he said more then anything he wanted to help the team get the 3 points on his Birthday but he never got on the pitch.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #428: Oct 08, 2018 10:57:42 pm
      The entire system is built around winning the ball and hitting teams early in transition. Teams have for the most part sat back.

      It is also not Henderson's job to break down defenses if he is playing deep. His job is to shield the back line and keep the ball moving. It would be great if he played the more adventurous ball from time to time. The job of making things tick in the final third falls on the other midfielders and they have all struggled for the better part of the season with that aspect of the game.

      In Keita and Fabinho you have two midfielders who cost close to £97M who have not adapted. The latter has started one game in a trophy that has the least significance. These are the players that were brought in to change the outlook of how the team played from a pressing heavy team to one that could beat teams sitting deep. Even Ox is more a transition player more than he is a playmaker.
      Wait!! Who let out shark (snap,snap,snap,snap,snap) Well come back Mr shark
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #429: Oct 08, 2018 11:58:30 pm
      City only had 51% possession the lowest under Pep.

      I think the argument would be that last seasons eventual title winners hammered us 5-0 at their ground. I don't think the draw was a bad result but neither did we lay down a statement.

      We've had a good start but we're not the finished article.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #430: Oct 09, 2018 09:17:03 am
      I think the argument would be that last seasons eventual title winners hammered us 5-0 at their ground. I don't think the draw was a bad result but neither did we lay down a statement.

      We've had a good start but we're not the finished article.

      What happened in the other 3 games we had against them last season, what happened to that statement? The 5-0 was a freak game, where we were thrown completely off balance by Mane's red card.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #431: Oct 09, 2018 03:57:41 pm
      I think the argument would be that last seasons eventual title winners hammered us 5-0 at their ground. I don't think the draw was a bad result but neither did we lay down a statement.

      We've had a good start but we're not the finished article.

      We played them 4x last season and beat them 3 out of 4, and the 1 we lost, in which we were down to 10 men for a big part of it, is the one you use as your argument? this makes no sense ???

      One worrying thing is that once again we could not kill off the game and if not for Mahrez sending one into orbit we would have given up another costly goal in the 80+ minute. This has to get straightened out.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #432: Oct 09, 2018 04:04:42 pm
      We played them 4x last season and beat them 3 out of 4, and the 1 we lost, in which we were down to 10 men for a big part of it, is the one you use as your argument? this makes no sense ???

      One worrying thing is that once again we could not kill off the game and if not for Mahrez sending one into orbit we would have given up another costly goal in the 80+ minute. This has to get straightened out.

      That doesn’t mean - against a top side - that by failing to win next time we’ve gone backwards.......

      We got the jump on them last year - how they wanted to play (and had them blowing everyone else away) was straight into our hands.

      With the quality they have on AND off the park it was always gonna be different this season.

      Doesn’t mean we won’t / can’t beat them again just means we need to adjust as well.

      Once he forward line clicks we’ll be grand.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #433: Oct 09, 2018 05:07:57 pm
      One worrying thing is that once again we could not kill off the game and if not for Mahrez sending one into orbit we would have given up another costly goal in the 80+ minute. This has to get straightened out.
      Killing off a game is when you're 1 or 2 goals up and in control, we were never in control after the first 20 mins and rarely threatened to score, so not sure that we had anything TO kill off?
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #434: Oct 09, 2018 05:30:53 pm
      Killing off a game is when you're 1 or 2 goals up and in control, we were never in control after the first 20 mins and rarely threatened to score, so not sure that we had anything TO kill off?

      I don't think of killing off a game as only being the case when in a winning position. We can kill off a game when we are tied and need to protect that point. When we were in Italy we needed to kill off the game and leave with a valuable point, but we coughed it up in the 90th minute and yesterday we made another mistake late in the game that if not for an awful PK from Mahrez we drop a point and City pick up 3 on us.

      We gave up a goal in the 94th to Lamela that if not for a missed PK call on Mane we blow the lead. We gave up a goal to Mbappe in the 83rd minute to blow a 2-0 lead and needed Firmino in extra time to get us the win. In Carabao Cup we gave up the winning goal in the 85th.

      A trend is there that needs fixing asap.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #435: Oct 09, 2018 05:31:05 pm
      Some interesting stuff there for those who care to read.....

      https://www.coachesvoice.com/tactical-analysis-liverpool-0-manchester-city-0/
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #436: Oct 09, 2018 05:45:06 pm
      Henderson plays to his instructions.
      Exactly to his instructions.

      You think players just rock up on matchday and do their own thing?

      Ah so it's jurgen who says go out and play like sh*te and don't get involved in the game then. 

      See, I always thought it was Hendo. Oh that's alright then, I'll get off his back now.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #437: Oct 09, 2018 06:34:11 pm
      Just had a really tricky run of games there. Joint top without actually hitting the form that we can hit. Not even close to hitting the level that we can and will hit.

      Why are people frothing at the mouth?

      We are well in this title race and you only have to look at City's tactics to know that the reigning Premier League champions and their manager, who let's face it is the creme de la creme of managers, knows we are, too.

      Relax and enjoy the ride.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #438: Oct 09, 2018 06:38:53 pm
      Just had a really tricky run of games there. Joint top without actually hitting the form that we can hit. Not even close to hitting the level that we can and will hit.

      Why are people frothing at the mouth?

      We are well in this title race and you only have to look at City's tactics to know that the reigning Premier League champions and their manager, who let's face it is the creme de la creme of managers, knows we are, too.

      Relax and enjoy the ride.

      Who are you and what have you done with WAHS?  ;)

      Seriously though, it's the go to position for a fair few.
      Apparently, anything less than a convincing win, and the club is about to implode.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #439: Oct 09, 2018 08:44:26 pm
      Quote from waltonl4
      No idea what can be done with our front three its just not happening and needs changing. Despite the howls of derision about Lovren he was awesome today and a real bonus to have another defensive option and kind of ironic that it was Virgil's mistake which nearly lost the game.

      Happy days

      Apart from almost conceding two penalties, he wasn't that bad. But that's the thing with him, he can play well for 85 minutes, then have a rush of blood to the head and throw the game away.

      Quote from Vicks86
      I'm so glad we got the break. Cos the midfield looked jaded and we needed a regroup! A very tough phase is over and we can now look forward to a decent run of fixtures where we can keep picking up 3 points and stay on/close to top.

      In theory, it looks easier. In practice, most players will play twice during the break, so will have little rest. We're going to face a bunch of busparkers most of the time, and some of them will be more stubborn to break down than others. Wagner is just going to have his team sit in their own box for 90 minutes, even if we're winning. Warnock will follow suit, as will Fulham. So that's 3 busparkers we have to find a way through. The frontline are going to get their fair share of chances, but they have to take them or there could be some long afternoons ahead.

      As for this game, it was strange. It started with the line up. Couldn't believe it when I saw the established defensive unit changed. Couldn't believe it again when TAA was dropped and Lovren was back in the side, for his first league game of the season, against Manchester City of all teams. It was either going to be a brave or reckless gamble. First thing Lovren had to do was clear up Gomez error to Aguero. According to the ref he did, but many other refs would have punished him for the challenge. Later, he put his hand on Jesus face. Again he just about got away with it, but a lot of other refs would have pointed to the spot. When they did get their spot kick, an opponent worth 60 million quid, sent the ball halfway to Goodison.

      For all the talk that the coaches wouldn't change their principles, both did. The result was a tense, error-strewn affair that was always simmering, but never quite came to the boil. We didn't do enough to win, but aside from the penalty calls, we didn't look at serious risk either. It's a long time since you could say that about this team, in a game like this.

      So we took 8 points from the last 4 games, and are still unbeaten. I'm not happy with the point, I'm not disappointed with it either. 10 years ago we were drawing 0-0 at home to Stoke Fulham and West Ham, the kind of results that wrecked that title challenge. Today, we're drawing 0-0 at home to City and are joint top. This one could be a precious point in the long run.
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #440: Oct 10, 2018 12:03:08 am
      There are only two games a season in the Prem when we can have an impact on cities points tally.as long as we don’t lose either of those, it’s all about what we achieve in the remaining 36 games. That’s what we need to concentrate on now, the remaining matches that don’t involve city. Just don’t f**k it up by losing to relegation battlers !
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      Re: Liverpool 0-0 Manchester City: In game and Post Match discussion
      Reply #441: Oct 13, 2018 10:41:46 pm
      Relive the atmosphere on matchday with audio commentary of the main moments of the game, with Aldo and Tunnel Cam.

      https://youtu.be/hk6RgbXE7lQ

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