Pre-Match: Manchester United V Liverpool (24/02/19 - 14:05)

No, he's not.
You've just forgotten how good Henderson is at it.
Henderson is quicker, stronger, more athletic and a more powerful runner.

I think Wijnaldum is stronger. As for being quicker, more athletic and more of a powerful runner, I would say it's debatable. But what is not debatable is Wijnaldum being the better footballer, and the stronger technical player you are, the more comfortable you are on the ball, and Wijnaldum as shown he is an efficient ball carrier and more comfortable playing between the lines and in tight situations than Hendo has in his entire career.

Starting to involuntarily mutter the Old auto-racing adage: "When The Green Flat Drops, The Bull Sh*t Stops." Roll On Sunday

p.s. Hendo starts and we win. 

I think Wijnaldum is stronger. As for being quicker, more athletic and more of a powerful runner, I would say it's debatable. But what is not debatable is Wijnaldum being the better footballer, and the stronger technical player you are, the more comfortable you are on the ball, and Wijnaldum as shown he is an efficient ball carrier and more comfortable playing between the lines and in tight situations than Hendo has in his entire career.

You need to get rid of this weird idea you have that Henderson is not a "technical" player.
It's arrant nonsense.

Other than that, your opinions have absolutely no credibility with me since you posted a Phil F***ing Neville video to "prove" your point.
You just rinse and repeat what you hear pundits say, so jog the F**k on fella, I have no time for your F***ing nonsense.

I think Salah been getting lessons of Young so there's a possibility this weekend

I've seen how Ashley Young 'defends'.  I don't think Salah will need to dive.

I think Wijnaldum is stronger. As for being quicker, more athletic and more of a powerful runner, I would say it's debatable. But what is not debatable is Wijnaldum being the better footballer,

I sincerely hope Wijnaldum plays.  I don't think him and Henderson are competing for a single place.  Henderson and Fabinho are the midfield competition for each other. 

Which one of them two plays is obviously privy to Klopp who has seen what condition they are both in following Tuesday's game and given how both tend to recover - my money would be on Fabinho.

so jog the f**k on fella, I have no time for your f**king nonsense.

No need.

No need.

Sorry about that JD, but it clearly is nonsense, and I get a bit fed up with posters ignoring everything that doesn't fit their agenda.
To say that Henderson is not a "technical player" is just silly, and typical of the snide sh*t that gets thrown at the skipper all the time.
OK, I need to dial it back a bit, but I'm kinda fed up of reading this stuff from people repeating some sh*te they read on twitter.

I know youtube videos prove little, but even on these clips you can clearly see that saying he "isn't technical" is a load of old pony.

The only issue Henderson has is that he's not Steven Gerrard, and took the captains armband after he left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBiswZiWc-o&t=85s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuFf16K9jOA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuA9sJ6DFL8

No, he's not.
You've just forgotten how good Henderson is at it.
Henderson is quicker, stronger, more athletic and a more powerful runner.

Please remind us when he last did this?

You need to get rid of this weird idea you have that Henderson is not a "technical" player.
It's arrant nonsense.

Other than that, your opinions have absolutely no credibility with me since you posted a Phil f**king Neville video to "prove" your point.
You just rinse and repeat what you hear pundits say, so jog the f**k on fella, I have no time for your f**king nonsense.

Please block me then!

I sincerely hope Wijnaldum plays.  I don't think him and Henderson are competing for a single place.  Henderson and Fabinho are the midfield competition for each other. 

Which one of them two plays is obviously privy to Klopp who has seen what condition they are both in following Tuesday's game and given how both tend to recover - my money would be on Fabinho.

I agree, they are not competing for a single place, Klopp likes to mix them up , and it has certainly worked with Wijnaldu, Milner & Hendo in the same team, as have Wijnaldum, Hendo and Shaqiri or Wijnaldum, Fab & Hendo (have they actually played together?) etc etc, but I just feel Keita, Fab and Wijnaldum/Hendo/Milner is our most balanced midfield setup because each player offer something unique and different to each other. And the reason why I pit Wijnaldum, Hendo & Milner in the same bracket is because they are known to be, and best as combative midfielders than specialists like your Lucas, Busquets, Alonso, Jorginho, Pirlo, Zidane's etc.

Sorry about that JD, but it clearly is nonsense, and I get a bit fed up with posters ignoring everything that doesn't fit their agenda.
To say that Henderson is not a "technical player" is just silly, and typical of the snide sh*t that gets thrown at the skipper all the time.
OK, I need to dial it back a bit, but I'm kinda fed up of reading this stuff from people repeating some sh*te they read on twitter.

I know youtube videos prove little, but even on these clips you can clearly see that saying he "isn't technical" is a load of old pony.

The only issue Henderson has is that he's not Steven Gerrard, and took the captains armband after he left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBiswZiWc-o&t=85s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuFf16K9jOA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuA9sJ6DFL8

When was the last time Hendo scored a high difficulty goal or dribbled past anyone? He is a good DM, but that is about it.

The only issue Henderson has is that he's not Steven Gerrard, and took the captains armband after he left.

Nail.Head... I recall what Dalglish said about Henderson....

The Englishman plays as a box-to-box central midfielder for Liverpool and is superb most weeks but Hodgson played him in a deep role with Steven Gerrard during the World Cup and continued it last week, putting Henderson just in front of the back four against Norway during the 1-0 win.

Dalglish, who used Henderson on the right-hand side of midfield at Liverpool, thinks that he is wasted in a deep role as it doesn’t suit his energetic style of play.

“I don’t think Jordan Henderson is best deployed as a holding midfield player, either,” Dalglish wrote in the Daily Mirror. “It’s not the most advantageous use of his energy and dynamism. He did a good, disciplined job for Roy there against Norway because he is a fine player but he has more to offer than that.”

Nail.Head... I recall what Dalglish said about Henderson....

Yep, but Dalglish, BR, Klopp and the England managers are wrong, and the haters on here are right.

I've been watching this for a while now.
A load of tripe pops up on twitter or facebook, and next thing you know some of the self styled experts on here (who quote Phil Neville) are repeating it almost verbatim.

Henderson is pretty much a complete midfielder, but the fact that he does 2 jobs in the deep position means he gets used there, and to great effect I should add.
Fabinho should get there, but at the moment Klopp still plays him with a minder.

Yep, but Dalglish, BR, Klopp and the England managers are wrong, and the haters on here are right.

I've been watching this for a while now.
A load of tripe pops up on twitter or facebook, and next thing you know some of the self styled experts on here (who quote Phil Neville) are repeating it almost verbatim.

Henderson is pretty much a complete midfielder, but the fact that he does 2 jobs in the deep position means he gets used there, and to great effect I should add.
Fabinho should get there, but at the moment Klopp still plays him with a minder.

Who is hating Hendo?? I think he is a good DM, but that is about it, he is certainly not a box to box midfielder, an AM or a highly skilled full of tricks midfielder like Coutinho for example.
All players have strengths and weaknesses, Hendo's strengths are reading the game, tackling, setting a good pace, keeping the ball moving etc. It is NOT making bursting runs forwards, dribbling past people and scoring top corner goals!

Who is hating Hendo?? I think he is a good DM, but that is about it, he is certainly not a box to box midfielder, an AM or a highly skilled full of tricks midfielder like Coutinho for example.
All players have strengths and weaknesses, Hendo's strengths are reading the game, tackling, setting a good pace, keeping the ball moving etc. It is NOT making bursting runs forwards, dribbling past people and scoring top corner goals!

Ha! I think he is best unshackled playing more a box-box role where he can play to his strengths, and his strengths being his physical attributes more so than the footballing side. He is definitely suited and one of the best options to have in a aggressive counter pressing team!

And in the deeper role (6) when pitted against attacking or strong counter attacking teams (vs Bayern first half the most previous) we see how advantageous he can be. But when it comes down to playing against defensive teams, he is no where near the standard we need.

Also,if people had to choose between Wijnaldum or Hendo to play in the #10 playmaking role, I am 99.9% sure 99.9% of footballing fans would choose Wijnaldum because he is the more technical player.

Been in Cambridge for last 3 days so kept away from the pre match talk but shaking like a cornered virgin. The disdain I have for them is unbearable and hate these games please boys come out and destroy them . Big decision to be made in the Middle just think if we need to get something from the Bench Keita better option and start Hendo .Don't rule Milner out though

Had to double check what thread was I in. Don't you guys get tired of this endless Hendo debate? He's been with us for a while now, played under 3 different managers, one of which wanted to sell him at one point, but went on to make him captain and this should speak volumes to us fans. We all have opinions about players, but ultimately it's the managers that work with them day in and day out and put their strategies in the hands (or legs in this case) of those players. Having 3 managers, during the years, that have trusted Hendo to do their bidding should be enough for us and put it to rest already.

So, on to Sunday. Hope the players are pumped enough for another great win. It won't be easy but it's the Mancs, so motivation aplenty.

COYMR

No argue Gini is important but isn't him just suffered from some illness recently (I know he's superb against Bournemouth) but from last game I personally think Hendo and Fabinho deserve a run of games.

I recently very criticism to Hendo but he seem just improve greatly. This plus a chance to let Gini has a full recovery I think it's no big problem there.

Yeah we should rest our best midfielder for United away.

The stupidity in your post is not even worth responding to with reason!

Figures Lingard & Martial will likely be fit for Sunday. Seems that United is always 'hyping up' their injury reports, and guys end up suiting up and playing anyhow.

Forget them, this is about us!

We play, press, attack & defend like we can, we win.  It's as simple as that.

Let's get into them & royally f### them f###ers up!!

COME ON YOU REDS!!!!!!

No fear..

Can wait to smash this lot, granted it’s going to be a tough game,expect some tasty tackles..

Hendo starts for me..

My biggest worry is, if we get comfortably ahead, Young, Pogo, Smalling etc, are gonna kick lumps out of our players to make sure we don't head for No. 19 

Alisson

TAA
Matip
VVD
Robbo

Hendo
Fabinho
Shaqiri

Salah
Bobby
Mane.

Mane has been drifting inside leaving Robbo down the left. Shaq being on the right midfield with Salah should balance it up, spread the play a bit more. Keita still hasn't found his groove here and we need a bit more goal threat. Can't sit to deep. Sir Ken has said Hendo should be higher so Fabinho works it from the back 4. Hendo getting higher.

Although Klopp will probably go with Gini for Shaqiri.

Milner and hendo not together in midfield please Jürgen . We are gonna smash these and badly too cmon u reds

Ha! I think he is best unshackled playing more a box-box role where he can play to his strengths, and his strengths being his physical attributes more so than the footballing side. He is definitely suited and one of the best options to have in a aggressive counter pressing team!

And in the deeper role (6) when pitted against attacking or strong counter attacking teams (vs Bayern first half the most previous) we see how advantageous he can be. But when it comes down to playing against defensive teams, he is no where near the standard we need.

Also,if people had to choose between Wijnaldum or Hendo to play in the #10 playmaking role, I am 99.9% sure 99.9% of footballing fans would choose Wijnaldum because he is the more technical player.

I don't think you understand "playmaking role" either, judging by this.

Do you just throw out buzzwords that you think sound good?

A "playmaker" is not confined to a specific number or area of the pitch.
It is a player who sets the tempo of the team, marshalls it, spreads play, which is exactly why Klopp calls Henderson "my General".

A true 10 is a creative role, not a "playmaker".

Alonso, playmaker.
Dalglish, creative.

Klopp doesn't use a "#10 playmaker", he expects creativity from all his forwards and not one of them dictates the tempo, marshalls the team or spreads play.
Firmino in fact, covers both the 9 and 10, which is why Klopp so often refers to him as a 9 1/2.

Coutinho was not a "#10 playmaker" he was a wide midfielder who drifted inside.
He neither dictated nor set the tempo of play or anything similar.

Seriously, how about stop with calling people Hendo haters for leaving him out and try to under why they don't have him in their first 11?

On paper, Keita, Fab & Gini trio is far more balanced as each player offer something very different. Keita is more influencial in the final third than any of our midfielders, Wijnaldum more the box-box combative footballer, and Fabinho is an exceptional distributor that reads the game from deep very well.

Wijnaldum is far more capable than Hendo making those driving runs and breaking the lines on and off the ball as shown throughout his career, so if we do go with your trio, I would prefer Hendo and Fabinho deeper with Wijnaldum pushing up often.

I call it as I see it the lad was superb on Tuesday but the usual culprits try to ignore this . TO quote an old saying you don't play football on paper. I will call people out for obvious bias and ignorance about a Liverpool footballer and If I cross a line the MODs will let me know not you