Premier League clubs to vote on scrapping VAR

There's no way the PL will allow the division to be an outlier from the top 30 leagues in the world. 29 of which use VAR with Sweden I believe opting out.

They will have to allow it if the threshold is met in the vote......otherwise there would be no point of voting

They will have to allow it if the threshold is met in the vote......otherwise there would be no point of voting

According to Henry Winter the PL can veto the vote regardless.

That being said I don't think the scrapping of VAR is what is really at play here. Think this vote is just to show clubs are unhappy with how it's going and this will put pressure on the PGMOL to improve and also on IFAB to change certain protocols.

What you will probably see is greater transparency in the stadium and the ability to hear the audio like in most other sports.

According to Henry Winter the PL can veto the vote regardless.

That being said I don't think the scrapping of VAR is what is really at play here. Think this vote is just to show clubs are unhappy with how it's going and this will put pressure on the PGMOL to improve and also on IFAB to change certain protocols.

What you will probably see is greater transparency in the stadium and the ability to hear the audio like in most other sports.

I didn't know about the veto......For me any vote which can be veto'd is a waste of time. I take your point about it being a sounding board to gauge the mood officially, but the PGMOL are in contact with football authorities and administrators, and the media etc.etc....they already know the system isn't working as designed. Clarity over the rules will help, ie what is the threshold for handball in the box?...there are all kinds of opaque situations which are a pen one week and not a pen the next...some send the ref to the monitor...some do nothing. My question is can it really be improved?...improved enough that the decision making is far more accurate than it is now? I think there can be gains, but they would be minimal, and nowhere near enough to justify the use of system. The system is convoluted, it takes too long, it's overly inconsistent...and all those things combined add up to a diluted match experience and mind-blowing frustration for the spectators....Remember it is supposed to be entertainment.
I've said before I'm not convinced there's anything to be gained from fans hearing a VAR official telling the ref something that those fans adamantly disagree with. An example: VAR official over the tannoy says "Odegaard potential handball...judged to be accidental" Do you think anyone in Anfield feels even a smidgen better for hearing that?....neither did I.

But does the appeal system change anything? VAR looked at the Doku challenge and thought it was fair. What would us 'appealing' do? The VAR would still have said no pen?

No the Doku challenge wasn't looked at. The appeals I'm taking about is not to the VAR ref. It sends the match Ref direct to the monitor and the ref could quickly realise the error.

The biggest problem with VAR is the ludicrous 'clear & obvious ' error rule. It's not clearly defined and never can be. The solution is to give the power of appeal to the captain and to send the match ref to the pitch side monitor. It's not that time consuming, it would speed up decisions.

The Doku challenge was dismissed because Oliver said it was a 'coming together' VAR was heavily influenced by that, The captain appealing takes away the uncertainty surrounding the ludicrous 'clear & obvious' error tosh. It is the problem.

A bit like cricket, more time consuming but no one seems bothered about that these days. Obviously the  captain will have so many seconds before he’s counted out. However, tricky to implement. The opposition could play/carry on within a nano nano second 🤷‍♂️

It's not time consuming and it's not tricky to implement. The fans can see the Red doing something. In fact it would be quicker and easier to do away with VAR. All VAR should do is goal line and offside,

Skipper 3 appeals, Pens and red card. Skipper appeals, ref quickly over to monitor, checks the angles etc gives the decision.  The whole process is speeded up and it's part of the drama. As it is now everybody stands about, the crown don't know whether to laugh or cry and all kinds of mistakes are being made, It's a nonsense.

Most of the time consuming is actually over offside. Speed that up with technology, give the club the right of pitch appeal. After all it's the clubs and fans that matter. Clubs have millions on the line and they have no right of appeal. It's an ill thought system.

Skipper makes an appeal..loses it..much less whinging over it. VAR sometimes does a through check, sometimes they don't, sometimes they send the ref to the monitor, sometimes they don't. It's ludicrous.

It's not time consuming and it's not tricky to implement. The fans can see the Red doing something. In fact it would be quicker and easier to do away with VAR. All VAR should do is goal line and offside,

Skipper 3 appeals, Pens and red card. Skipper appeals, ref quickly over to monitor, checks the angles etc gives the decision.  The whole process is speeded up and it's part of the drama. As it is now everybody stands about, the crown don't know whether to laugh or cry and all kinds of mistakes are being made, It's a nonsense.

Most of the time consuming is actually over offside. Speed that up with technology, give the club the right of pitch appeal. After all it's the clubs and fans that matter. Clubs have millions on the line and they have no right of appeal. It's an ill thought system.

Skipper makes an appeal..loses it..much less whinging over it. VAR sometimes does a through check, sometimes they don't, sometimes they send the ref to the monitor, sometimes they don't. It's ludicrous.

Hey I’m up for it and not knocking the idea. I’m just making a comparison with cricket. Don’t they get something like 15 seconds or something where they can converse with the bowler/keeper before deciding if to appeal against the umpires decision!

Once we've finished with VAR can we get started on the standard of the refs

Let"s face it the standard of refs in the Premier League is embarrassing.

It's almost like VAR is used to get the refs out of sh*t rather than make the correct decision.

No the Doku challenge wasn't looked at. The appeals I'm taking about is not to the VAR ref. It sends the match Ref direct to the monitor and the ref could quickly realise the error.

The biggest problem with VAR is the ludicrous 'clear & obvious ' error rule. It's not clearly defined and never can be. The solution is to give the power of appeal to the captain and to send the match ref to the pitch side monitor. It's not that time consuming, it would speed up decisions.

The Doku challenge was dismissed because Oliver said it was a 'coming together' VAR was heavily influenced by that, The captain appealing takes away the uncertainty surrounding the ludicrous 'clear & obvious' error tosh. It is the problem.

The Doku challenge was looked at by VAR


What difference would an appeal make

If another ref isn’t going to send a ref to the monitor then why would they bring in a system that a player can send the ref to the monitor

Just remove the ‘clear and obvious ‘ and have a system of reviewing every contentious incident as routine, then stopping play and returning to the incident if required. With no current refs on var, who can make the wrong decision to protect their mates on the pitch, as has happened in the past.

Just remove the ‘clear and obvious ‘ and have a system of reviewing every contentious incident as routine, then stopping play and returning to the incident if required. With no current refs on var, who can make the wrong decision to protect their mates on the pitch, as has happened in the past.

They already review every single contentious incident

If play was stopped every time there was an incident then games would last all day

The Doku challenge was looked at by VAR


What difference would an appeal make

If another ref isn’t going to send a ref to the monitor then why would they bring in a system that a player can send the ref to the monitor

They didn't look at it as a 'clear & obvious' error. An appeal system would change the whole dynamic. It would rule out the ridiculous 'C & O' error nonsense. They only intervene when they judge the ref has made a howler and it's the inconsistency of that that causes a lot of the issues.

A penalty appeal is made, the Ref disallows it. Then there is verbal communication and VAR, in my opinion, take their lead from that. Oliver..Doku.."Coming together....and VAR were influenced by that and there was no way they were going to overrule Oliver and send him to the monitor.

So another injustice. But if the captains have a say and why shouldn't they. So VVD appeals...Oliver goes and studies the video. Clearly a penalty.

But clearly the ridiculous charade will carry on.

They already review every single contentious incident

If play was stopped every time there was an incident then games would last all day

They don't have to stop for every issue. It's just pens and red cards and in a lot of games there's only one or two decisions to be made. The issue is the inconsistency of the C & O error and how often a ref gets sent to the monitor. At the minute it's a farce.

The Captains appeal system would also cut out a lot of the 'we were cheated' complaints.

Have to remember the pitch ref sees the incident in real time and very often gets his view blocked or at a bad angle. A quick review at pitch side by the pitch ref would speed up the whole process. Would also give the clubs an democratic right of appeal. Quick and easy. Lot less delay and no more misinterpretations....Mr .England take note.

They didn't look at it as a 'clear & obvious' error. An appeal system would change the whole dynamic. It would rule out the ridiculous 'C & O' error nonsense. They only intervene when they judge the ref has made a howler and it's the inconsistency of that that causes a lot of the issues.

A penalty appeal is made, the Ref disallows it. Then there is verbal communication and VAR, in my opinion, take their lead from that. Oliver..Doku.."Coming together....and VAR were influenced by that and there was no way they were going to overrule Oliver and send him to the monitor.

So another injustice. But if the captains have a say and why shouldn't they. So VVD appeals...Oliver goes and studies the video. Clearly a penalty.

But clearly the ridiculous charade will carry on.

But it’s always down to interpretation- and a qualified referee has agreed whilst watching multiple angles and slow mo’s to decided that the referees interpretation of the incident was ok

When it comes to those decisions it will be down to interpretation of the referee


And appeal process has the chance to be open to abuse - would just take one captain to appeal as the opposition is on the attack and they know there is trouble


Var needs

The semi automated system for offsides

And the VAR refs to be better and do their job better

It’s very “clear” when a referee has made a clear and obvious error and the Doku challenge wasn’t one

I don’t know how many times I have said that the PGMOL are the real problem and NOT the VAR system, hence the ppl using it and how ??

In the Investec European Rugby Union Competition they bring in referees from Europe, usually French, but that’s for another debate, the point I’m making is the use of Referees from outside of the UK, IE; Champagne League refs to work in the Premier League and our own Refs going the other way so that can learn and come into line with the rest of Europe,

The PGMOL have far too much sway in the VAR box, and therefore too much influence altogether, also the interpretation of one Ref will differ from another, in certain circumstances/incidents, in a word there is far too much/ many inconsistencies,

VAR is here to stay, unless of course 14 or more clubs veto it altogether, which I doubt would happen, but it does need to be realigned properly to ensure it works as it’s designed to and not be implemented by the PGMOL to suit their agenda’s, ie; Refs scratching each others back’s !!

Conversations between the onfield Ref and VAR should be audible, not only on your tv at home but in the Stadia on the day, in American football you can clearly hear the Ref/line judge, so why not in our own domestic game, if the tech is there use it ??

The questions that really need to be answered is why not, we have goal line tech in use, so why aren’t they using everything there is tech wise to ensure everything is covered, anything that assists the referee in this ever evolving game has to be used, ppl will say if we did use everything tech wise at our disposal we may as well get rid of refs altogether, I dunno about that but we certainly don’t use as much as we can at the moment and that’s not getting the job done properly is it ??


YNWA

Best solution is to stop letting bald fat middle aged men become REFS. Love to see some retired lower league players being trained as REFS it shouldn't be that difficult. Knowing the rules but not the game has brought us the worst bunch in a generation