We won the league with 8 games to play. And they dont get 99% of the calls correct. Especially handballs and red cards, which are objective. Nowhere near. Ask Wolves after Onana wiped out their player and no penalty was given. Remember the obvious handball City commited vs the Blueshit that cost us a F***ing league. Do you??
They get it it wrong just as much now as the old referees did without it. Iv'e seen offsides lines drawn in the wrong places on multiple occasions. get rid of this VAR bullshit . What about the handball vs Chelsea in the 1st game of the year??? Got that one wrong too. And i cant even remember who it was vs Spurs that got basically smashed in the face (Endo?) . No review on that either. Its a failed system. the only thing that should be reviewed is Goal line
There's so many clear and obvious errors in that post, I almost lost count.
Endo wasn't smashed in the face. He was gently brushed aside by his opponent. Slow Mo of course makes it look like a violent assault.
The handball in the first game of the season could be argued, as too close or natural position. Hence why it wasn't given.
The obvious handball by City, cost their opponents on the day an opportunity to equalise. That's all it did. There's no guarantee it would have been scored, and in any case, there was still about 10 games left to play. When we went to City afterwards, VAR spotted an offside, and we got a point to keep the race going.
We won the league with 7 games still to play, because on the night it was confirmed, the VAR advised the ref to give a penalty for handball in a City game, because he missed it.
Liar.
14 apologies in two seasons. A club plays 38 games a season so they’ve had to apologise for over 1/3rd of a seasons worth of games on that time. That’s a huge huge impact.
And that’s just ones they’ve apologised for.
You kept on about how VAR was perfect and ignored and argued with anyone who said it doesn’t work because of those operating it.
You’re a liar and turning in the wind at how your precious VAR has been a disaster.
And we all know you only care about it cos you’re still crying about the Henry handball.
More clear and obvious errors to clear up. You'd think you were actually operating the thing itself at the weekend.
The club didn't receive an apology. Nobody receives apologies after serious howlers made. They receive acknowledgements; official recognition of the seriousness of the howler, and that steps have been taken to prevent it reoccurring. Surely you know the difference.
Five years ago, the linesman putting his flag up in error last weekend wouldn't even have been checked, let alone reviewed. Instead there would have been stone cold silence from the people who need to talk, there and then. Now it could be reviewed, and the technology did the job it's supposed to do, unfortunately the man in charge didn't. And now he's serving a ban for it.
Unfortunately there has been the need to make 14 official acknowledgements. It's 14 too many, but it's considerably less than the 14 per month that would be required, if VAR was unavailable.
I never said VAR was perfect, it's not supposed to be perfect. It's designed to cut the errors down to less than 1%, which it does. If a VAR has approx 10 incidents to check during the average game and he calls 9 of them right, sadly it's the other one that will attract all the attention. And an automatic ban coming his way for a decision that requires an official acknowledgement afterwards.
I wanted video technology in this sport, since other sports had it available. That's what, 20-30 years ago?? And every ref howler demonstrates why that is. If other sports are able to use technology, football should not be left behind. I don't want cheats to succeed in football when they can't in other sports. Now thankfully we have it available, but it still needs qualified refs to concentrate on their job, not mistakenly say "check complete" out of habit before the check is completed, as this one did.
If people laugh at the idea of acknowledgements made, then calls for uncontested goals and replays after the event, probably has them in stitches. It's embarrassing. For good reason, the laws of the game do not allow the game to be called back once play has restarted, to prevent absolute complete and utter chaos. I wouldn't like to be the match official who has to tell Jürgen, to instruct our players to do a Bielsa in the last minute of a cup final, because a VAR official made a serious error of judgement 5 minutes earlier. I wouldn't like to read the response to it here, or hear the crowd reaction either.
He’s just trying. At least he’s passionate enough to push for this option as the Liverpool manager. How many mangers have the guts to advocate this? Me can see his passion. And that’s what you want from your manager.
Not yeah agree they can’t do anything according the rules - play has restarted. I’m happy they followed the rules. Following the rules is more important than being passionate. You want such a manager? There’s one of us here.
But they can't do anything according to the rules. They're there for a reason, not to be discarded when it suits.
You have people regularly demanding time limits of 60 seconds for VAR calls. Well, the time limit is the restart of play. That rule is there to prevent total chaos. Games could last hours waiting on that 25th penalty claim by City waiting to be reviewed and decided. Who the hell wants that?
So let’s do it, and let’s do it right……This Time…copy that of Rugby league/union, where we can all hear the communication between the ref & VAR, have the footage of the contentious issue up on the big screens so everyone inside the stadium can see as well as hear, show the lines implemented for on/off side decisions, referees to be interviewed post match for query’s of why this or that decision was made, assistant refs to flag immediately if clear daylight can be seen between striker & defender, give the attacker the benefit of the doubt, it’s a entertainment business…we want to see more goals….continue to book players taking the piss, ie; feigned injuries, wasting time, less gobbing off / swearing at the Ref, imaginary cards, surrounding the ref if something goes against you, yada yada yada, all of those imo would be welcome and would help with Ref/player/fan relations,
Not saying we should all be squeaky clean and rename the EPL The English Woke League but whatever respect referee’s had years ago has gone, the modern players have too much power, with their inflated egos and equally inflated bank accounts, nor am I saying players should address the Ref as Sir, just show mutual respect for fellow professionals, now here’s where it kinda breaks down, the standard of referee’s in the EPL is obviously substandard, and has to improve, hence players inadvertent disrespect for the Ref, …..Carra & Ratboy did a doc a couple of seasons back where they spent a day at Ref training camp, it was tough going despite their lack of fitness, wouldn’t be a bad thing for the PGMOL to show players what Refs have to go through, it might change players mindsets and make things easier on the pitch,
YNWA
You can't hear the communication because IFAB won't allow it. Probably will in a few years time, but you can't hear it now. Next year we should be able to hear the outcome of VAR reviews in stadiums, similar to the WWC. No it's not ideal, but it's the first step on the way to full open conversations in the future.
Of course it is great to hear those conversations when you're a native speaker of the relevant language. When you're not, it's not much better than what we have atm, and if you're someone like Darwin or Diaz, who are more than likely to be the centre of attention in our case, it makes no difference.
Refs have never got respect, never will either. When was Webb last respected? Moss? Atkinson? Riley? Dean? Taylor? Tierney? The culture of the game, has always been to treat the referee as an opponent, to be conned influenced intimidated and deceived at every opportunity, and after that, held responsible for the outcome. Even in leagues where there is no VAR such as my own national league, nobody accepts their human errors, they still get blamed for everything.
We're not returning to the bad old days, no matter how much noise is made. As an away side, going to grounds such as the toilet is difficult enough with VAR, but the prospect of us having to go there with no VAR, (knowing the long history of human errors we've been subjected to in that insufferable dump) is about as sensible imo as jumping off a plane without a parachute. It's an idea too stupid to contemplate nowadays.
