Is English officiating corrupt?

Yes it gets reviewed 🤷‍♂️

Well done for stating the obvious and intentionally ignoring my point

Well done for stating the obvious and intentionally ignoring my point

The incidents are reviewed at the same level - the game stopped for the Gomez one whilst the review happened where as the one for Gakpo play was still going on as they’re reviewed it

And it hit the keeper square in the chest

Time taken over VAR decisions is again very inconsistent. I mean obviously we're all getting a bit paranoid over it, but it does seem like they double check when we score or any possible penalty or red card against us.

Look at the Doku boot on Mac. Oliver.."Coming together"..VAR.." yeah..agreed"...more or less.

Time taken over VAR decisions is again very inconsistent. I mean obviously we're all getting a bit paranoid over it, but it does seem like they double check when we score or any possible penalty or red card against us.

Look at the Doku boot on Mac. Oliver.."Coming together"..VAR.." yeah..agreed"...more or less.

They double check everything- some happen whilst the play goes on and some happen when the game has been stopped

See the bent bas**rds have given us Hopper for the Villa game no doubt to book Klopp so he misses the last game. Devious bas**rds. We never seem to get him at home the tosser

The incidents are reviewed at the same level - the game stopped for the Gomez one whilst the review happened where as the one for Gakpo play was still going on as they’re reviewed it

And it hit the keeper square in the chest

To be fair, the game was stopped as Virgil put the ball out of play before the whistle was blown, clearly thinking there was a serious injury.
Looking at the slow mo's, it was close, but another sham at the end of the day.

Time taken over VAR decisions is again very inconsistent. I mean obviously we're all getting a bit paranoid over it, but it does seem like they double check when we score or any possible penalty or red card against us.

Look at the Doku boot on Mac. Oliver.."Coming together"..VAR.." yeah..agreed"...more or less.

The Doku boot on Mac, clearly shows there is selective corruption or favouritism without doubt.  Not decided yet wether I think its collective.

The problem is, some refs take the opinion that the ‘touch’ in the player was never enough to make him go down, and I side with that.
While others take the attitude of ‘there was contact’ then the var review will invariable go against us wether we are the offender or the offended 🤷‍♂️

They need to get rid of this ‘well there was contact ‘ it’s turning the game into a diving contest.
The refs need to man up and hold their ground. If you’ve been hacked down by a mistimed tackle ok. If you’ve been ‘slightly touched’  you’re gonna get booked for simulation. The slow Mo’s will clearly show what’s the right decision, but all refs need to be at it so there’s some consistency 🤷‍♂️

Always thought if there is contact, then it's a Pen all day, every day.

F***ing VAR

Always thought if there is contact, then it's a Pen all day, every day.

F***ing VAR

But not every contact is a foul,  both player’s could be running into the box and their legs clip, it’s not necessarily a pen, just contact between two players, seen them given of course but how do they prove one way or the other, same as not every contact outside the box is deemed a foul just maybe a coming together,

Last week I noticed the automatic system for offside, using the technology available in the CL,  a player was immediately shown to be offside and was shown as such and it took virtually seconds from the VAR box to the on field Ref, is that system gonna be in use next season in the EPL if not why not,  …

…if not then we really do need to look at the ‘Why Not’ aspect given the amount of sh*t the FA, Premier league and the PGMOL are attracting to themselves, why are we not falling in line with the rest of Europe??


YNWA

But not every contact is a foul,  both player’s could be running into the box and their legs clip, it’s not necessarily a pen, just contact between two players, seen them given of course but how do they prove one way or the other, same as not every contact outside the box is deemed a foul just maybe a coming together,



YNWA

I’ve been saying this for years  Billy. 🤦‍♂️ Problem with these fans across the boards with their tints on when it’s against your own side it’s a penalty. Glad your not wearing yours today 😎😂😂

I remember thinking the same thing...
VAR is just time wasting nonsense, they tried it...it doesn't, and can't work so get rid.

VAR did work in the derby this season with Coote on the buzzer. Home and Away. Keep it then, because it's needed. It's not an experiment, it's not trial and error, once it's introduced, it is permanent.

I don't know how many leagues and cups have it now, but it's easily 100+. Because the benefits outweigh the risks.
 

The problem is, some refs take the opinion that the ‘touch’ in the player was never enough to make him go down, and I side with that.
While others take the attitude of ‘there was contact’ then the var review will invariable go against us wether we are the offender or the offended 🤷‍♂️

They need to get rid of this ‘well there was contact ‘ it’s turning the game into a diving contest.
The refs need to man up and hold their ground. If you’ve been hacked down by a mistimed tackle ok. If you’ve been ‘slightly touched’  you’re gonna get booked for simulation. The slow Mo’s will clearly show what’s the right decision, but all refs need to be at it so there’s some consistency 🤷‍♂️

You won't get consistency with subjective decisions so shouldn't expect it. Many subjective decisions are 50/50 calls that can go either way.

Everyone's tolerance levels are different. Imo, shirt pulling in the box is an automatic foul/free kick/penalty because I have no tolerance for it, and if it was penalised consistently, it would be no more in two weeks. But refs usually tolerate it if it's not persistent enough, so it still goes on. A mistimed tackle is contact to some refs, and not enough to justify a decision to others. Either way, the decision on the field won't be overturned.

Listen carefully: I mentioned VAR in my post completely independent of the Gakpo incident ( in answer to the original posters point)...I made that clear, read it again ..I said that VAR had nothing to do with it and that it was 100% a referee error.

This thread is about VAR...So you can't just introduce broader football incidents to qualify your argument...that's just silly.
As for why we lost against Spurs...it was due to the unfortunate own goal in injury time....Even though we were robbed of a perfectly good goal.

We were robbed of a perfectly good goal that day, because the linesman thought Diaz was offside and put his flag up. Did you forget that or something? Bizarrely, it was the VAR who got blamed for it, not him. Take away VAR, and it's still ruled offside.

Our season is over early because of too many sleepy starts, too many rescue jobs needed, and too many chances missed, such as the ones I highlighted in the last post. Nothing to do with officiating. But its much easier to sweep it all under the carpet, and scream corruption.

If you see the title over the door, you will see that this thread is not supposed to be about VAR at all, but a hysterical reaction to the error at Spurs. It all sweeps into the rotten narrative that's thrown at our fans all the time, and which we strive to reject.

Ludicrous to blame the linesman for the Diaz 'goal'. VAR is there to correct errors not make them worse. All other decision are obviously subjective. And any one individual can easily give a biased decision. Nobody knows. But claiming their all completely impartial denies the fact that they are human beings with all the impressionable frailties and influences.

I would also add that we all know how VAR works so we don't need constant reminders as if that in some way offers an explanation for some dodgy decision. The probability is is that the vast majority of decisions are given impartially but it's not 100% in my opinion.

Always thought if there is contact, then it's a Pen all day, every day.

F***ing VAR

It’s a contact sport, always has been. Contact does not necessarily mean foul play.
If non contact is what it becomes, just as well watch tennis or golf 🤷‍♂️

I won’t be watching it that’s for sure. I’d rather go fishing than watch a team of lightweights throwing them selves on the floor.
Some of the wankers need to be ordained the miracle recoveries they make 😱

VAR did work in the derby this season with Coote on the buzzer. Home and Away. Keep it then, because it's needed. It's not an experiment, it's not trial and error, once it's introduced, it is permanent.

I don't know how many leagues and cups have it now, but it's easily 100+. Because the benefits outweigh the risks.
 
You won't get consistency with subjective decisions so shouldn't expect it. Many subjective decisions are 50/50 calls that can go either way.

Everyone's tolerance levels are different. Imo, shirt pulling in the box is an automatic foul/free kick/penalty because I have no tolerance for it, and if it was penalised consistently, it would be no more in two weeks. But refs usually tolerate it if it's not persistent enough, so it still goes on. A mistimed tackle is contact to some refs, and not enough to justify a decision to others. Either way, the decision on the field won't be overturned.

We were robbed of a perfectly good goal that day, because the linesman thought Diaz was offside and put his flag up. Did you forget that or something? Bizarrely, it was the VAR who got blamed for it, not him. Take away VAR, and it's still ruled offside.

Our season is over early because of too many sleepy starts, too many rescue jobs needed, and too many chances missed, such as the ones I highlighted in the last post. Nothing to do with officiating. But its much easier to sweep it all under the carpet, and scream corruption.

If you see the title over the door, you will see that this thread is not supposed to be about VAR at all, but a hysterical reaction to the error at Spurs. It all sweeps into the rotten narrative that's thrown at our fans all the time, and which we strive to reject.

Subjective or not, that’s the var job. Clear up the subjective decisions from the slow mo replays. That should be correcting ‘subjective decisions’ in an instant !

It’s a contact sport, always has been. Contact does not necessarily mean foul play.
If non contact is what it becomes, just as well watch tennis or golf 🤷‍♂️

I won’t be watching it that’s for sure. I’d rather go fishing than watch a team of lightweights throwing them selves on the floor.
Some of the wankers need to be ordained the miracle recoveries they make 😱

Should have a panel sit on a Monday morning and give every one that feigns injury a couple of games ban, you would soon stamp it out , their own managers would stop it , it’s part of the game that I really don’t like , same as there was contact bullshit