I agree totally, F9T, that not everything can be blamed on a manager. Most players nowadays are overrated Prima Donnas.
But ultimately why does any club need a manager if it's just down to players? Who buys the players, trains the players, motivates the players and picks the tactics for the team every week? The manager.
When we won in Europe he was a tactical genius according to certain fans and yet when the team are miserable it's the players that are the sole problem? That's sheer rubbish. I admire Benitez's record in Europe and have said it many times. But his record in the Prem, the one we want most as even Carra said, isn't goodenough. Eddie and co.. seem incapable of criticising anything the manager does and point the finger at certain players. Yet these are players he bought, not Houllier rejects.
So when exactly do these "supporters" look at Benitez objectively and say what he is doing wrong? The league table doesn't lie every year.
Yet again you miss the point, football is game you cannot under any circumstances look at in any uncertain terms objectively. What you have been trying to do in no uncertain terms is try to justify your position in a scientific manner. Football is not an exact science it never will be, the point that Eddie myself and F9T are trying to point out to you is that support is something that comes from emotion not from some statistic you find in maths book or by trying to justify ones postion from a small portion of something that is written by over enthusiastic Journalists.
The human way of expressing one self can have a number of different interpretations when it is written down. When Carra was interviewed for the said statements, what was his emotional state??
You state in some of your other posts that you are a realist, ok thats fair enough and that my friend is perfectly fine with me. However I really am beginning to wonder if you were not one of those that turned off the TV when we played AC Milan in Istanbul or one of those that left the stadium? Now ask yourself if that is real support because from where Im sitting it really doesnt look that way. You start your arguments by trying to place statements from players as if thats the exact as if thats what is exactly going on then you add your own opions onto their statements and try to justify your position as if its fact. Thats not fact that journalism, you cannot write or state anything in a scientific manner from opion it doesnt work that way you have to use a form of mathamatics called "methods of proof" in order to clarify and make things exact.
As far as Im concerned Rafa is a man that has bought us forward into the 21st Century. Reason being is he has proved that football is not a team game anymore its a squad game, albeit we are 12 points off the pace, but let me remind you that Arsenal were at the same point some years ago and yet still won the league. If Istanbul is anything to go buy does it not stand to reason that a similar thing may happen again albeit over a number of games.
Why not its happend before, I really dont see why you can be so negative I really dont. Just have faith and use belief it makes you feel better in the long run, and if things dont work out just shrug your shoulders and think "oh well you win some you lose some" thats the way football is. For F**k sake just give Rafa a break his record is pretty good from where Im sitting.
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