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      HUYTON RED
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      Reply #460: Aug 08, 2011 11:53:11 am
      Why would we pursue Raul to bench?   



      We never, Macia had been scouting him for Rafa, but when he was given the boot and it was known Javier was off and Alberto was gonna be loaned out, we needed another midfielder.

      Whether Kenny has him in our team long term is another thing entirely.
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      Reply #461: Aug 08, 2011 04:26:28 pm
      I believe that the formation for start of season will be as follows:

                                                                                            Reina
                                                                               Kelly   Carra  Agger  Aurelio
                                                                                            Lucas
                                                                                      Hendo     Adam
                                                                               Kuyt                    Downing
                                                                                            Carroll
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      Reply #462: Aug 10, 2011 04:05:36 am
      I couldn't resist not to share this as it has mirrored many of my thoughts on our tactical side:

      A Tactical Preview for Liverpool's 2011/12 Season

      Feature by Phil Dodds - Updated Wednesday, 10th August 2011

      Liverpool have had a "mixed" pre-season in more ways than one.

      Results-wise, shipping a total of 15 goals in their first five friendlies (including surprisingly heavy defeats at Hull and Galatasaray) didn't look good. But a reasonably convincing 2-0 victory over Valencia at Anfield on Saturday helped restore fans' confidence, especially with regards to the prospects of new signing Stewart Downing and talismanic centre-forward Andy Carroll.

      Kenny Dalglish has also been able to utilise a great number of players (35 in total), in a variety of different positions. But Luis Suarez, the immensely talented Uruguayan forward who helped boost Liverpool's performances after his arrival midway through last season, has only just returned from the Copa America (which he won by the way).

      Steven Gerrard, too, the ever-vital club captain, has been sidelined with an uncomfortable-sounding "groin infection." Raul Meireles, Glen Johnson and Martin Skrtel have also carried injuries through some of pre-season, so it's fair to say that Dalglish will not have had time to settle on a preferred starting line-up.

      All of this makes it very difficult for a humble tactical preview to make any meaningful predictions about how Liverpool might line-up next season. Indeed, it is questionable whether the hallowed "First Eleven" even really exists any more in this age of large squads and regular rotation, especially with a manager with a penchant for tactical tinkering according to the opposition's strengths and weaknesses.

      This should be interpreted as a good thing! The fact that the first-choice XI is so difficult to pick, in terms of either personnel, team-shape or strategy, just means that it will be significantly harder for opposing teams preparing to face the Reds. It also points to a healthy squad-depth which Liverpool have lacked for years. It doesn't make your humble tactical-previewer's job any easier though.

      That doesn't mean it's not worth trying, of course. Here's the first-team I expect Dalglish would generally select if he had a full squad to choose from, and a suggestion of the rough tactical shape he will likely plump for:

      Glen Johnson has probably shown that he is the best option at left-back, though Aurelio can be excellent when fit, and young Jack Robinson's reputation continues to rise amongst the Liverpool coaching staff. Martin Kelly always looks immensely impressive at right-back, both defensively and in an attacking sense, whenever he plays.

      Although Skrtel played every minute of every Premier League game last season, he has finally succumbed to injury and it seems that only a (likely) injury to Agger would allow him to reclaim his permanent place. The Dane's attributes of skill on the ball and positional intelligence are vital in the modern game, and Carragher, with all his experience and determination, is still an important part of the first team.

      Lucas ought to be an ever-present as the only world-class out-and-out holding player, and Downing is showing signs that he'll make the left-midfield position his own. Gerrard, one of the best British players of the last ten years, should still feature in every Liverpool team when fit, and Dirk Kuyt's inimitable industry is still more-or-less irreplaceable, especially for big-games (although a more elegant midfielder such as Aquilani, Henderson or Adam might be preferred against weaker opposition).

      The expensively-assembled front-pairing have enough quality and variety to scare any defensive line, though Liverpool fans will be hoping they can strike up an effective partnership, having been denied much playing time together since they both joined in January.

      Fluidity, Versatility, Asymmetry

      The rough 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 shape seems to get the best out of the individuals at Dalglish's disposal, and it is a shape which should be familiar to those who watched the pre-season friendlies. It was especially instructive to see Aquilani playing just behind Carroll, being encouraged further forward than he would naturally tend, presumably to allow other players to get to grips with the formation.

      But don't expect any of the Hodgson-style 4-4-2 football of early last season. The key terms are "fluidity," "versatility," and "pass-and-move." Many of Liverpool's attacking options are capable of playing in a variety of different roles and, if the latter part of last season is any guide to go by, tactical flexibility and swift interchange of positions will be an integral part of Dalglish's attacking strategy.

      It can't be denied, though, that teams with just two central midfielders often struggle to control possession against teams fielding three or even four. Expect reasonably direct, quick football, with an emphasis on getting the ball to danger areas swiftly and efficiently. That doesn't mean that long-balls to Carroll will be common (though Carragher in particular tends to panic and hoof it long when not provided with an opportunity to pass simply into midfield). Getting the ball to the feet of Downing, Gerrard, and especially Suarez will remain Liverpool's most effective attacking strategy.

      It would also be extremely surprising if we didn't see 4-5-1/4-3-3/4-2-3-1 formations in use, especially with such a variety of versatile midfielders to choose from. Remember one of Liverpool's best attacking performances last season was against Fulham at Craven Cottage (http://crowdgobananes.blogspot.com/2011/05/fulham-2-5-liverpool.html), when Luis Suarez played as a lone "false nine" forward, dropping deep and wide to leave space for midfielder runners (Maxi, Meireles and Kuyt) to exploit with aplomb. In that sense, it should come as no great shock if Carroll sits out the odd game on a bench for the sake of tactical efficacy.

      Also, recall Liverpool's impressive defensive performance at Stamford Bridge (vs. Torres' Chelsea) last season with a three-man backline. Expect Dalglish to use whichever tactical shape and combination of personnel he feels suits the occasion.

      One of the key tactical trends of this season might be formalised asymmetry in team-shape, and Dalglish could be one of the pioneers. His FA Cup-winning Liverpool side of 1986 was decidedly lop-sided, and with a number of the current side (Gerrard, Adam, Meireles, Henderson) capable of playing as "narrow-wingers" or "wide-central-midfielders," it is possible that Dalglish will once again use the asymmetry and fluidity that he had previously enjoyed success with.

      Such a system would allow Suarez and Carroll to form a close partnership, while simultaneously maintaining attacking width. With an ostensible midfield-three, it would also help the team to keep possession and defensive solidity. It does, however, place a heavy attacking and defensive burden on the exposed full-back (in the case of the above diagram, Glen Johnson).

      Abundance in Midfield

      A busy Summer of "ins" but not enough "outs" has left Dalglish's squad perhaps over-blessed with central-midfield talent, and it will be interesting to see how the pack is shuffled to fit specific situations. Likely reserve Christian Poulsen aside, and also discounting youngsters Jonjo Shelvey and Conor Coady, Liverpool have eight top-level players (Steven Gerrard, Lucas Leiva, Charlie Adam, Alberto Aquilani, Raul Meireles, Jay Spearing, Jordan Henderson) competing for just two or three starting places, so its worth looking briefly at the roles they're likely to play in the squad, and the unique characteristics of each.

      Spearing is a worthy, increasingly Mascherano-esque understudy to last season's player of the year (Lucas Leiva), and Jordan Henderson seems to have been earmarked as a long-term replacement for Steven Gerrard in the energetic, midfield all-rounder role, so perhaps neither should expect too much first-team football in the short-term. The Mackem youngster has a sweet right-footed cross in his arsenal and could certainly provide balance on the wing. His passing is excellent and although some of his tackling skills still leave much to be desired, he is industrious and dilligent in his closing down and positional discipline.

      Alberto Aquilani and Raul Meireles have been attracting interest, primarily from Italian clubs, but it looks increasingly likely that both will stay. The latter impressed last season with his ability to apply himself in a variety of positions but may become frustrated if he finds his first-team opportunities restricted. Aquilani, the graceful Italian playmaker who spent last season on loan with Juventus, looked set to leave Anfield for good, but perhaps his elegance of technique and intelligent passing ability has earnt him a place in the manager's thoughts (though he will probably still be on his way out if a generous buyer can be found).

      Charlie Adam seems to be a personal favourite of Dalglish, and he has shown flashes of quality in pre-season. His new role will surely be different from when he was the glamour-passing key-man in Blackpool's side, as he might be encouraged to play a simpler passing game and also put in more of a defensive shift. His ability to distribute the ball effectively from the centre of the pitch and from set-pieces could still prove important to Liverpool's season, but he will need to prove that his defensive concentration and discipline is up to scratch if he is to be truly effective in the first team.

      And the development of Steven Gerrard's tactical role will be interesting to observe this season. Many of us still pine for the Captain Fantastic whose uncontainable pace and power tore defences apart (in tandem with Fernando Torres) most effectively in 2008/09. It remains to be seen whether he can ever reach those heights again, and Paul Tomkins has written of the worry that he may be in a process of "melting." (http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/03/steven-gerrard-is-melting/) But he remains a superbly well-rounded and impressive footballer, and if he has lost the physical attributes necessary to be effective in an advanced position, he should be able to slip back into a deeper role where he can influence proceedings from central midfield. His excellent long-range shooting and ability to time his runs might help him to maintain an impressive goal-tally, too.

      Source
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      Re: Liverpool formation this year?
      Reply #463: Aug 11, 2011 08:25:52 pm
                      Reina

                   Skrtl  Agger  
       Johnson                   Enrique

                      Lucas            
        Henderson               Downing  
                            Gerrard
       
                  Suerez        
                            Kuyt/Carrol

      Subs:

      Kuyt/Carrol
      Adam - Downing back-up
      Aquilani - Suerez backup
      Kelly - Johnson backup
      Flannigan - Skrtl backup
      Aurelio - Enrique backup
      Meireles - Gerrard backup
      Doni - Reina backup

      OUT: Carragher - Getting older, getting slower, getting clumsy, gives away too many free kicks and penalties.
      OUT: Poulsen - Average player, we have better, he deserves a team who can give him first team football.
      OUT: Ngog - Same reason as Poulsen

      Loan: Pachecco - Shows quality but still not sure about this player.

      Perhaps we need one more singing before the window finishes. We should have 4 good strikers but we still have only 3.
      « Last Edit: Aug 11, 2011 08:34:00 pm by cjchaos »
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      Reply #464: Aug 14, 2011 11:03:41 pm
                            Reina
        Johnson    Carra  Agger    Enrique 
                           
      Kuyt               Adam            Downing
                          Aquilani   
                 Suarez        Carroll

      ... against team that park the bus.
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      Reply #465: Aug 15, 2011 03:27:32 am
      Kenny has got some reshuffling to do after that home draw.

      Henderson isn't a right midfielder. Also has to start thinking about giving Johnson a go at the right side because look what Downing can do. Johnson is also able to, probably half as good unless of course, we sign another winger before the window closes.

                                                         Reina

      Kelly           Carragher/Skrtel/New CB             Agger               Enrique

                                    Lucas                        Meireles(Only until Gerrard comes back and is able to push Raul out!)
      Johnson                                                                           Downing

                                   Suarez

                                                                    Carroll

      Adam, Spearing, Shelvey and Henderson to be cover for the central midfield.
      Meireles can be a starter, but he can also fill the right side or be a back up to Gerrard/Lucas when needed.
      Kuyt can be a back up striker or for the left/right.
      Maxi can be left or right.
      Flanno backs up Kelly.
      Aquilani when we need someone in the hole. Cole is another option but he is seemed to be played on right or left.
      Robinson and Aurelio to back up Enrique. Aurelio may be able to cover Downing even. Insua .. no space, I guess.
      « Last Edit: Aug 15, 2011 03:32:55 am by Adryan »
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      Reply #466: Aug 15, 2011 11:24:49 pm
      Just a quick question about the game on Saturday's game as I missed.

      I've seen a lot of criticism of Adam and his inablity to play in a 4 4 2 and I'm just curious was it a straight 4 4 2 or did Henderson play tucked inside at times to make a 3 with Suarez drifting wide.
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      Reply #467: Aug 16, 2011 12:42:28 am
      Just a quick question about the game on Saturday's game as I missed.

      I've seen a lot of criticism of Adam and his inablity to play in a 4 4 2 and I'm just curious was it a straight 4 4 2 or did Henderson play tucked inside at times to make a 3 with Suarez drifting wide.

      Henderson tucked in quite a bit, probably a bit too often for young Flanno's liking. Adam played just fine on Saturday mate, I wouldn't take everything you're reading in here as gospel. We did get a bit outnumbered in the midfield in the 2nd half but you could have swapped Adam with any of our other centre-mids and we still would have struggled.
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      Reply #468: Aug 16, 2011 10:52:32 pm
      Henderson tucked in quite a bit, probably a bit too often for young Flanno's liking. Adam played just fine on Saturday mate, I wouldn't take everything you're reading in here as gospel. We did get a bit outnumbered in the midfield in the 2nd half but you could have swapped Adam with any of our other centre-mids and we still would have struggled.

      Cheers mate!

      I've been on here a fair while so I know who's posts to look at for a decent view on games I've missed and probably like you I feel Adam may do nothing right in some peoples eyes this season.
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      Reply #469: Aug 16, 2011 11:16:35 pm
      Am I the only person who doesn't reate Carragher anymore? I think we have better in that position.
      He is 33 and defenders need to be as quick as the strikers.
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      Reply #470: Aug 17, 2011 12:38:36 am
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      Reply #471: Aug 17, 2011 05:13:31 am
      I would love either a 3-2-3-1-1 or a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-1-3-2 for away games or for home games;
      3-1-3-2-1 or 4-3-3.

      This was posted late @ night so please be patient!
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      Reply #472: Aug 17, 2011 01:22:24 pm
      Am I the only person who doesn't reate Carragher anymore? I think we have better in that position.
      He is 33 and defenders need to be as quick as the strikers.

      Sami Hyypia?  Legend and wasn't blessed with much pace.

      Don't see that at all.  Defenders need to be able to read the game quicker than the striker and get into position, pace helps (e.g getting the team to push up, but it isn't everything in a centre back.

      For me we played 4-2-3-1 on Saturday.  Normally, a fully fit Suarez would be all over the place like he was in the first half.  Faltered a bit in the second half.

      Henderson was tucked in but got forward a la Ray Houghton.
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      Reply #473: Aug 21, 2011 10:30:35 am
      I think Miereles has earned himself a start now until Gerrard gets to full fitness. Kelly has earned the right to his RB role, he just gets better and better every time i see him. Enrique is going to be very important to us this season. I,m hoping Agger can stay fit and strike up a good partnership with Skrtel. If we do bring in a CB i think it will be to cover Agger. keeping Suarez on the bench yesterday was a master stroke by Kenny, just look what sort of impact he had. I think he should stay on the bench for now untill he gets fully fit. Risking him now could be bad for us in the long run if he gets an injury. Hendo will come good but we should keep him on the bench for now and move him in gradually, he is only 20 and it would be unfair on us to judge him so early on in his LFC career, he has plenty of time. So i think our best 11 for now would be -

                                              Riena

      Kelly                  Skrtel                    Agger             Enrique

                                             Lucas

                             Miereles                   Adam

      Kuyt                             Carroll                        Downing
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      Reply #474: Aug 21, 2011 11:57:44 am
      From what I have seen the past two matches, we seem to be playing 4-2-3-1, with a lot of interchanging between the attacking '3' behind Carroll.
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      Reply #475: Aug 21, 2011 12:04:43 pm
      I dont red, that is my preferred formation we are defo not playing that at the moment
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      Reply #476: Aug 21, 2011 01:38:30 pm
      From what I have seen the past two matches, we seem to be playing 4-2-3-1, with a lot of interchanging between the attacking '3' behind Carroll.
      We played a 4-4-2 against Sunderland & a 4-5-1 against Arsenal, but i would like us to play this formation.
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      Reply #477: Aug 21, 2011 02:31:14 pm
                                                        Reina

                              Kelly          Carragher       Agger      Enrique

                                                      
                                               Lucas            Adam

                                                      
                                                       
                                        Suarez        Gerrard        Downing

            
                                                         Carroll


      Until Gerrard is fully fit, I see Merieles playing in that position, and to be honest with the front 3 behind Carroll I expect them to swap positions all through out the game, causing mayhem for the oppositions defense, all 3 can player in either position, even Gerrard has had experience out on the left and right, I think this would be an attacking formation, that would get us many goals.
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      Reply #478: Aug 21, 2011 08:56:21 pm
      I dont red, that is my preferred formation we are defo not playing that at the moment

      I got hold of the full match against Arsenal and figured it seemed to be 4-4-1-1 with the midfield becoming 5 when we lost the ball.  I think the key words are fluidity and flexibility with Kenny.     
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      Reply #479: Aug 22, 2011 11:56:35 am
      Was it Rafa that said, the players need to be adaptable so the formation becomes less important?  I think that's what we might be seeing.

      I had another look.  OK, so here goes on Saturday we had a flat back 4, easy to spot, with full backs that get forward.  A midfield two of Lucas and Adam.  Carroll right up front.  Downing started left, Kuyt central (behind Carroll) and Henderson right.  These three interchanged through the match, sometimes Downing would be on the right, Kuyt on the left and Henderson central.

      Anyone want to hazard a guess?

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      Reply #480: Aug 22, 2011 12:24:24 pm
      Was it Rafa that said, the players need to be adaptable so the formation becomes less important?  I think that's what we might be seeing.

      I had another look.  OK, so here goes on Saturday we had a flat back 4, easy to spot, with full backs that get forward.  A midfield two of Lucas and Adam.  Carroll right up front.  Downing started left, Kuyt central (behind Carroll) and Henderson right.  These three interchanged through the match, sometimes Downing would be on the right, Kuyt on the left and Henderson central.

      Anyone want to hazard a guess?



      Your posts describes a 4 2 3 1 but according to many we have been playing a 4 4 2 but I didn't get to see the games so can't really comment.

      The first part of your post is a good point made by Rafa. I've always thought that, depending on the players used of course, that 4 4 2, 4 3 3, 4 2 3 1 and 4 5 1 are all variations on the same and can be changed throughout the game if the players are adaptable and I feel that this is what Kenny does.

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      Reply #481: Sep 01, 2011 10:54:54 pm
      Now that we have Coates does anyone reckon we could see a return to a flat back 3 on more occasions this season this season?

      A 3-4-2-1 or a regular 3-4-3?

      Just wondering as now we could, if Coates settles quickly, have a pretty stacked Centre back pile of qulity defenders.

      Agger, Coates and Carra with Johnson and Enrique pushing on. Would be pretty solid and quick attacking if we allow Agger to keep roaming and the flanks to be more attack minded.

      Its great to have options again isn't it?!
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      Reply #482: Sep 01, 2011 11:09:46 pm
      Now that we have Coates does anyone reckon we could see a return to a flat back 3 on more occasions this season this season?

      A 3-4-2-1 or a regular 3-4-3?

      Just wondering as now we could, if Coates settles quickly, have a pretty stacked Centre back pile of qulity defenders.

      Agger, Coates and Carra with Johnson and Enrique pushing on. Would be pretty solid and quick attacking if we allow Agger to keep roaming and the flanks to be more attack minded.

      Its great to have options again isn't it?!

      Agreed, think if we were to be needing goals towards the last 25 minutes or so, we could see Kenny make changes to see this formation actually take place, wow we do have quality in depth ;D.

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