Joaquin

I have been looking at some clips of joaquin on youtube and he truly is a world class player. Him and quaresma on the wings would without a doubt solve all our midfield issues as we would have the perfect centre mids and the perfect wingers. They both have pace to burn, bags of skill and there overall game play is just amazing.

Daivid Villa is a world class player and everyone knows what he is capable of. I would loveto see him become our new number 7. Him and torres are greta together for spain and they would be lethal for liverpool with service coming from the likes of stevie, xabi, joaquin and quaresma.

But the question is would we actualy be able to get these 3 players? it would probably come to a combined fee of about 60-70 million and we all know the Yanks wont pay out that much money so in order for us to get them we have to have the DIC in charge. But then again would they even want to sign for a club surrounded in controversy and doubts over certain futures??? especially joaquin and villa as they have been having alot of problems at valencia this season. So are we going to be out of the title race again next season and left behnd in the transfer market.

A team like liverpool have to get these sort of players in a.s.a.p because if chelsea or united want to get them then tey will get 70 million to spend on them and some extra cash too.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NxN9dEEfo&feature=related






{sorry there is only a clip of joaquin, my laptop is playin up and wont let me get the rest}

That Joaquin sure looks one class act, and I for one would love to see him getting stuck into Scum and Chelski's defenses - if we had him in our line-up I think some teams home records would be getting wiped in no time! He definitely would bring a direct and unstablising attack, the kind of player who can beat somone in a one on one situation and create spaces for our forwards to run into, something that has been missing for too long IMO.

Still, it is hard to watch such a cracking clip all in the knowledge that the money needed to sign these guys will almost certainly not be forthcoming... 

And then so many people class Liverpool as "under-achievers". If we had a blank chequebook like the other three top clubs and were able to get hold of 2-3 of these players THEN we could start making comparisons. 

I have been looking at some clips of joaquin on youtube and he truly is a world class player.

{sorry there is only a clip of joaquin, my laptop is playin up and wont let me get the rest}

Problem with YouTube mate is you are only going to see one side of the story, the good side. And isn't really a basis for signing a player especially one that costs a few bob.

Having seen him plenty of times especially for Betis, there are 2 sides to Joaquin. There's the one agaisnt Arsenal where he gave Ashley Cole a terrible time. Really did o job on him and given what ever you think of Cole as a person he always does a quality job on Ronaldo. Or there's the one against ourselves when the mighty Djimi Traore had him in his pocket all game.

Joaquin Talented ? No doubt.

Consistent ? Too much doubt....

...Especially given how much he'd cost. As I don't think Valencia will be letting him go cheap.

I'd agree with that assessment of Joaquin, and would say the same applies for Quaresma, great on his day but it's not his day regularly enough for my liking.
 
David Villa though is a must IMO. It would be lovely to get a couple of quality wingers, but we've already been creating enough opportunities without that luxury. Our problem has been converting them, and I'm confident Villa would solve that problem whilst also adding extra creativity. I'd sign him even if it meant blowing our entire summer budget.

I couldn't agree more with the fact that youtube clips only show one side but at the same time you could say about pretty much any player in world football right now that when they are not on their game the worst of players can have them in their pocket all match.

Even Ronaldo is terrible in some matches and you forget hes on the field when he isnt at his best.

Theres something I dont like about Joaquin I don't know what it is but I haven't liked him since he left betis for valencia, I always thought he was too good for betis and wasnt suprised to see him leave but since he left he seems like he has changed to me.

As for Quarsema and villa I would say yes to both most certainly as they are the type of player I like, I would like to see them two players bought (but I would gladly take Sergio Aguero if we couldnt get villa) along with a couple of others in the shape of Either David Silva or matias fernandez and Jeremy Menez, preferably the latter if we had to choose between Fernandez and Menez.

The reason being that they are both only 21 years of age yet play like they are alot older and I think it is important that we get a bit more young talent into the side. We have some of the best young talent around in the shape of Torres, Mascherano, Agger, Babel Lucas,Skrtel (looks the real deal too) and I would like to see us get even more. I think we have a good few players with experience and we would have a good balance of youth and experience with these players brought in.

I watch alot of world football and these are players that I have seen and am pleased we have shown interest in them, Our wings and our Strikers are the main problem at the moment if you ask me. The left wing needs to be filled urgently, Babel is doing a good job but I think he will be ready to be a striker next season. The right I think is less worrying I think pennant and benayoun are both good but I feel benayoun is better sitting behind the strikers and another RM would push pennant and get him to show how good he can be.

----------------------------------------Reina/Itandje------------------------------------

Arbeloa/Finnan------Agger/Hobbs---Carra/Skrtel-----------Aurelio/Insua

------------------------------Mascherano/Alonso-------------------------------

Pennant/Quaresma--------------------------------------Silva (or Fernandez)/Menez

---------------------------------Gerrard/Lucas/Benyoun------------------------------------

-----------------------Babel/Villa/Aguero-----Torres/Crouch----------------
                                    (if not villa)
A squad something like that give or take a few players next season would be amazing. It would cost us immensely but I would get rid of a few players to make some profit e.g. Carson, Guthrie, Riise etc.
Alot of the players in that line up are versatile like menez can play CM, on either wing or upfront. And I feel we need a big change but too keep the general spine of the team, 1we need to get rid of the players that arent ruthless enough and that have too many bad games.

My ins would be:

Menez
Silva or Fernandez
Chiellini
Quaresma
Villa
Aguero (if not villa )
And i'd bring back Anderson and Hammill from their loans, Look like great youngsters and could be used instead of buying Silva/Fernandez.

and outs would be:

Carson
Guthrie
Riise
Kuyt
Voronin
Kewell

It would cost and would take a little while for players to gel but I think they would have the quality to and we would have the firepower to sustain a serious title challenge. And these are players that seem like they would like to join us. Seems unlikely that we would get all of them but even just a few would improve the team alot.

EDIT: Sorry for the long post btw everyone.

Agree with Bootle Buck and Eddie on Jaoquin and Quaresma. These two are very talented footballers but in my opinion they only play when the mood takes them and are far too inconsistant.

We do need some new creative players but for me these two are not the answer.

I'd agree with that assessment of Joaquin, and would say the same applies for Quaresma, great on his day but it's not his day regularly enough for my liking.
 
David Villa though is a must IMO. It would be lovely to get a couple of quality wingers, but we've already been creating enough opportunities without that luxury. Our problem has been converting them, and I'm confident Villa would solve that problem whilst also adding extra creativity. I'd sign him even if it meant blowing our entire summer budget.

Have to disagree with you here. Our problems this season has not been converting chances, its been creating them. Honeslty in most games we've played we've only really had half chances and pot shots, we don't really create clear chances and when we do we usually finish them off.

Creativity is where we lack, so I think Joaquin or Quaresma is needed more to the team than David Villa is.

We won't be buying any of these players anyway, not with the American's incharge of the club no way!

I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion mate, with the exception of a couple of games this season we have created more than enough chances to win. Extra creativity would always be welcome, but for me the priority definitely has to be a goalscorer.

True we create so many every match. If we dont create chances then how can we be deserving to win most of these matches we've drawn.

I seriously don't know what Liverpool you guys watch, but the one I've been watching have been pretty much disjointed all season with a lack of serious creativity. If there is a team in the Premiership who creates chances and never takes them then look no further than Chelsea.. Liverpool take their chances, just don't create many.

We have been guilty in the odd game of creating one or two chances and not taking them, but a lot of the time we have pot shots and somehow other fans claim that as a chance when really its not!

its good that we are making chances but they are of no use if we cant finish them, everyone knows we should get in some more goalscorers.

i would love it if villa to come to anfield and if it means the selling of kewell (as much as i love the guy hes too inconsistent), kuyt and voronin for players such as villa then I'm all for it.

jaoquin and quaresma I'm not too keen on as everyone stated already that they only perform when "they're in the mood"

quick question, is Anderson on loan at united? it would be good to find a young player who has the aggressive determination kind of approach to the game such as him, he may be a tosser but the boy has talent.

Thats what we need, players with aggression! And I think we need an assistant manager who'd put the players in their place if not giving all they got!

We have too many players with soft attitudes, time for them to jump out of their skins and toughen up big time!

Ra Ra Rafa, if we arent creating chances how is kuyt doing badly?

He's a striker his job is to score goals which he isnt doing but if he isnt getting service surely its not his fault but he is getting service because we create chance after chance and he doesnt score and it is his fault he isnt finishing them. Sorry to be harsh on kuyt but it was just and example.

And where does your namesake get this strange idea we create loads of chances every game and get the idea we had enough chances during most of our games to win the game convincingly and our strikers need to be more ruthless? Is our own manager watching different matches aswell? i think not somehow.

We create plenty, if we dont why do we need new strikers, without chances being created strikers wont be scoring its as simple as that, we create chances for them and they dont finish.

I have mixed feelings about the whole creating a lot of chances debate. Our problem has been passing and fluency when in posession so i think we do struggle a bit in playing fluent football that creats solid chances, there has been the odd game or two. We have been able to apply pressure on teams to get them on the back foot and create some chances but we have not had the attacking consitency to create clear cut chances. E.g. game against Chelsea the 1-2 between Crouch and Babel that was it for 90 mins.

I think any of the three players would be a welcome addition to our squad and i reckon we will end up with one of them next summer if i had to choose i would choose Villa. (anybody see his two goals in the last league game against Valencia? bloody fantastic)

 I too feel that we don't create enough particular against the top sides where we control the game for most part but lack any ideas in the final third. There was one clear cut chance on Sunday and that was Crouch's left foot effort in the 1st half. For most of the game it was clear that we were gonna struggle to score becuase we didn't look like we could create anything.  There were no clear cut opportunities against ManUre either despite the fact we were bossing the game and we were at home. It seems that we struggle to get into the penalty area to make chances against a quality defence.

Out of the three players mentioned on here I think we should only pursue Villa but I would much rather see us bring in some forward wingers. We need more creative players, dribblers, match winners that are capable of scoring and chipping in with 10 goals a season. Players in the style of Ben Arfa, Menez, and Ronaldo. For the price of one quality striker we could pay a little more and bring in two forward wingers. These forwards would also improve the quality of service to Torres who's scored a bunch of goals this season but only 3 or 4 goals of those goals have been handed to him on a plate the rest of the time he's had to create his own chances.

I agree with ra ra  and dadorious here....

The chances we create most of the time are only half chances. If you compare them to the top 3's chances then they pale in comparison. Fluidity in our passing is the answer to this, as well as a real creative player that can either dribble and pull defenders out of position or someone who can make space for others (xabi?).


.....or we can just buy a world class finisher and just put these sh*t chances into the net, but that would be the expensive option.

Our chances only look like half chances as we don't have a decent finisher sticking them in the back of the net. Against Chelsea I counted 3 clear cut chances, which is all you can really expect against teams of that standard. A quality finisher should only need one or two chances to score, so that would've been enough. There are only 3 games this season where we haven't created enough chances, against West Ham, Reading & Marseille. Apart from that we could've won every other game with better finishing.

Think id rather have Joaquin than Quarsema both look good on youtube but i could look good on there,Quaresma played very well against us in the game at Porto but at Anfield i thought he was average,David Villa will probably come to the premiership but i can see Chelsea getting him to replace Drogba if he leaves.

If the yanks will put up the money I don't see any reason why Villa wouldn't come here ahead of Chelsea. He's got friends here, Pepe especially, and is a known admirer of Rafa. If we can scrape the money together I'm sure he'd come.

I heard during the summer last season Rafa tried to get Villa. I dont know if it's true or if it was just rumours?

If it was true, then maybe Rafa still has him in his list of players...

If only the F***ing Yanks died out or something and the DIC came in.
YANKS OUT!

The yanks will probabally find some more money for another big signing or two in the summer so I dont see why not either......