Lennon and Berbatov, Worth it or not?

After seeing many articles in papers and on the internet about Lennon becoming availble I have been doing alot of thinking about whether or not he would be worth signing.

Pro's:

1. We need a winger that will stick out wide, has blistering pace and can put awesome crosses in
2. He is very young and could learn a heck of a lot playing in the same team as Gerrard, he could become world class
3. He can score goals
4. Great passer and would be able to pick a striker out from distance if he is'nt able to get down the wing
5. Would sign for us

Cons:

1. Can be inconsistent and let his head drop
2. Sometimes tries to beat a player more than once and ends up losing it

Overall:

I think he would be worth it and we would only have to play around 10million for him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ3CfqGowFA

At the start of this vid he megs 2 players.


Berbatov I have also seen articles about. Ramos has is apparently considering cashing him in for 20million as long as he finds the right replacement.

Pro's:

1. Would be a great partner for Torres
2. Great in the air
3. Perfect at penalties
4. Great technical ability
5. Scores bags of goals
6. Would sign for us as we can fulfill his ambitions

Cons:

1. Would he like playing in a team with rotation?

Overall:

I think he should be a definate purchase and I would like to point out that him and Lennon link up really well so with Lennon on the wing and Torres and Berb up front then it would be awesome, especially with Gerrard in the midfield.
Ramos said if he can find a replacement so I have been thinking why not offer 15million plus crouch. Then sell Voronin and we would have Torres and Berb who would be the best pairing in the prem and kuyt as back up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCOacwVLky0

Some oustanding goals in this vid


25mill in total for them both i reckon. COME ON RAFA GET THEM WHILE THEY ARE THEIR, DONT LOSE OUT TO THE TOP 3 IN THE TRANSFER MARKET.

i think the sun will start shining from my arse if we get both of them for 25mil! they wouldnt cash in on a reported 25mil for berbatov alone not so long ago, why would they throw lennon in as well!?

I think we can get lennon without a doubt if we go for him quickly and he would do great here. but i think berbatov would demand alot of money and would demand alot as a player in terms of rotation but what a player he is. With him and torres upfront we would destroy teams. Such a great player berbatov technique is sublime.

Im a big fan of lennon too and hope rafa makes an offer and brrings him in, but who would we let leave because that would give us 3 RW.

Im afraid I would have to disagree on Berbatov in fact I would probably be very disapointed if we did sign him for whatever reason.
He is another player with the same tantrum type attitude as Cisse albiet not as flamboyant. He sulks he is moody and when he is not allowed to "EXPRESS HIMSELF" on the pitch he well just doesnt bother. He gives up doesnt try hard enough and quite frankly has the wrong attitude. Not take away from him he has great ability and the game comes easy to him, yet he wont battle and bleed blood and guts for the cause when needed especially if he is being marked really well. If we did end up signing him I would support him as I do all the players, but I just cant see Rafa going for this guy Im afraid.

As for Lennon I would like to see him come to us he has bags of pace and battles hard, stands up to crap from players who are bigger than him and quite frankly I would swap him for Pennant in an instance.

Talk about the tale of two spuds

Don't know about berbatov he isnt a 20 a season and doesnt do it enough plus he wont fit into this new formation that we are playing so well at, if anythin we need a quailty winger more than a striker. He can also be a moody player when something doesnt go his way

But for lennon, he would be a great player for liverpool he is quick an exciting to watch an still really young, and would well improve with classy players around him, think about the speed of torres, gerrard an babel an with lennons speed, that would scare any defence. av also here lennon is good mates with pennat.

An if berbabtov would go I think man u would get him, but he is a quailty player but if it was me add take lennon. 

No striker will fit in with our new formation its 1 upfront we will change it next season if we get a new striker

I don't really rate the two of them. Berbatov has age against him now, definitley not worth any more than £15m and Lennon is not all that great.

Would easily rather Villa & Quaresma

I don't really rate the two of them. Berbatov has age against him now, definitley not worth any more than £15m and Lennon is not all that great.

Would easily rather Villa & Quaresma

I'm agreed with you 100%. We have discussed a lot of players we would like to come to Liverpool recently, and these two wouldn't be too high up on my list. I personally would prefer to invest £20-25 million in one world class player who can change the face of our club (you know who I'm talking about ) than £10 million in reasonable squad players. IMO we have good enough cover in most positions now, but we don't have world class players in each position yet, and that's the difference between being top of the league and playing catch-up nowadays.

True but its hard to see us finding 50 million for them two players and then more for all the other players we need thats the only thing

I wouldn't have a problem with us buying Lennon as he'd give us options, although I wouldn't be ecstatic. He' d be good competition for Babel and it may raise both their games.  We'd still need a more established forward winger to play on the right side (I'd prefer a left footer to cut inside like Messi) and a new FB.

Not interested in Berbatov don't think he has enough desire to play for a team like LFC, plus we'd have to revert to a 4-4-2 to accomdate him and that would leave us with the where to play Gerrard dilemma.

I wouldn't have a problem with us buying Lennon as he'd give us options, although I wouldn't be ecstatic. He' d be good competition for Babel and it may raise both their games.  We'd still need a more established forward winger to play on the right side (I'd prefer a left footer to cut inside like Messi) and a new FB.

Not interested in Berbatov don't think he has enough desire to play for a team like LFC, plus we'd have to revert to a 4-4-2 to accomdate him and that would leave us with the where to play Gerrard dilemma.

Thats true but any striker coming in will. Im sure we wont keep this formation next season we dont have the players for it, it leaves out others and unless they will be sold i can see it changing back.

villa and quaresma definetly

I think everyone would prefer them 2 to berbatov and Lennon. Just depends on money in my opinion.

Lennon keeps running up blind alley's without looking for team mates,often loses the ball putting the defensive team on the offence. No way worth more than 5mill.

Berbatov's overall contribution and work rate are limited,his pluses are the goals he scores and makes...

I wouldnt mind us getting the 2 but couldnt really see Spurs letting both come to us.

Lennon keeps running up blind alley's without looking for team mates,often loses the ball putting the defensive team on the offence. No way worth more than 5mill.

Totally agree. I've said before that Aaron Lennon is one of the most over rated players in the league and would not offer anything different to Jermaine Pennant. If we were to buy another right winger it should be of the highest quality and not just more  of the same.

villa and quaresma definetly

Berbatov coudn't lace Villa's boots
No contest

Lennon keeps running up blind alley's without looking for team mates,often loses the ball putting the defensive team on the offence. No way worth more than 5mill.

I agree with the assessment of Lennon, but in todays market he would be worth more than 5 mill. One thing he does have is potential, at the moment he's a lot of running around with little end product, but then so was Christiano Ronaldo in his first season.

Given our current position I wouldn't buy him though, we need players for the here & now. Lennon would take the best part of a season to adjust, and then there's always the chance that he may not adjust at all.

One thing about new signings does make me think alot. What if we bought a few of these players we all think we need e.g. Quaresma, Villa and at least one or two of them didnt adjust and we fell off the pace in the prem again. Would people just blame it on something else?

I always think although a player can be great there is no guarantee they will adjust to the prem and do well here and the amount you shell out for them makes it a big risk to be taking. Im not saying im against it atall i want big names at the club and want them to succeed here but it does seem that some players really do struggle to adjust to the pace and difficulty of playing in the premiership.

1. We need a winger that will stick out wide, has blistering pace and can put awesome crosses in

Reminds me alot of Jermaine Pennant.

No way worth more than 5mill.

Your thinking one of the hottest prospects in English football will be let go for 5 million pounds? He is easily 10 million and upwards, its all about potential.

Lennon would take the best part of a season to adjust, and then there's always the chance that he may not adjust at all.

To our club or the style of game?

I would seek to play say Ashley Young (Villa) in the Role intended for Lennon. His game is really good plus he has the best assist this season. There are also strikers we could take off Aston Villa that, with the Rafa-touch, could become prolific strikers. John Carew and Gabriel Agbolahor; and I also think they are very dedicated and they will come cheaper than Berbatov.

I don't think Lennon has anymore talent or potential than Pennant.  I can't see the point in buying him.

Berbatov has a good touch, great skill and can find the back of the net but he is lazy.  If he loses the ball or a pass fails to find him he stops playing.  He has no work ethic. (To understand what he should be doing see Torres F.)

So no thanks.

Would love us to buy ashley young he's excellent such an exciting player, But i dont want carew he isnt good enough for us and Agbonlahor is great but is a villa fan so he's going nowhere.

I don't think Lennon has anymore talent or potential than Pennant.  I can't see the point in buying him.

Berbatov has a good touch, great skill and can find the back of the net but he is lazy.  If he loses the ball or a pass fails to find him he stops playing.  He has no work ethic. (To understand what he should be doing see Torres F.)

So no thanks.

That's what managers are there for...to change players work ethic...Rafa can sort that out...

He does seem to have that lazy attitude but I think he's a good striker...doesn't have pace but he has great touches...and if the price was right I wouldn't mind seeing Berbatov in red...

Lennon hasn't really impressed me...

Lennon is the good winger but Pennant 's would be OK.

To our club or the style of game?

Neither actually. What I meant was he would take best part of a season to get his game up to a level where he could be of use to the team. As I said in my previous post I do think he has potential as he has a lot of skill on the ball, he just needs to work on his distribution & decision making. We would have to wait a while for him to learn these things though, and then there is always the risk that he may not improve at all, in which case I don't think he's good enough for us. If we already had someone world class that he could play second fiddle to then fair enough, but considering we don't I wouldn't sign him personally.

Worth it or not?...



...nope!

Worth it or not?...



...nope!

Another great DOBBS83 in depth analysis of the strengths and weaknesses of the proposition.

no fuss no muss

No chance we can get both of them. Juande wouldn't allow it, Berba seems commited to Spurs but wants to play CL football and think he will stay at Spurs for a wee bit longer. Could we really out price United, Chelsea for him though.

If Berba is available there will be numerous clubs after his signature.

Aaron Lennon isn't good enough for us and is a step backward to what we currently have.

After seeing many articles in papers and on the internet about Lennon becoming availble I have been doing alot of thinking about whether or not he would be worth signing.

Pro's:

1. We need a winger that will stick out wide, has blistering pace and can put awesome crosses in That's something he doesn't do, Pennant is a better crosser of the ball
2. He is very young and could learn a heck of a lot playing in the same team as Gerrard, he could become world class
3. He can score goals Hardly, he's got 2 this season in the league
4. Great passer and would be able to pick a striker out from distance if he is'nt able to get down the wing Really? Can't remember him being able to do that too often
5. Would sign for us

Cons:

1. Can be inconsistent and let his head drop
2. Sometimes tries to beat a player more than once and ends up losing it

theinsider

Pro's:

1. We need a winger that will stick out wide, has blistering pace and can put awesome crosses in That's something he doesn't do, Pennant is a better crosser of the ball
2. He is very young and could learn a heck of a lot playing in the same team as Gerrard, he could become world class
3. He can score goals Hardly, he's got 2 this season in the league
4. Great passer and would be able to pick a striker out from distance if he is'nt able to get down the wing Really? Can't remember him being able to do that too often
5. Would sign for us


he does do them things quite often actually and seeing as my brother supports them i think i watch them play more than you. and so what if he only has 2 goals, pennant only has 1 and that was more luck than anything.

but i expect it was just speculation, cant see him in a liverpool shirt to be honest

I have to admit I'm with the insider on this one, he can dribble well but beyond that he doesn't do a lot else. As I posted before with work on the other areas of his game he might come good, but then again he might not. Not worth buying IMO.

No chance we can get both of them. Juande wouldn't allow it, Berba seems commited to Spurs but wants to play CL football and think he will stay at Spurs for a wee bit longer. Could we really out price United, Chelsea for him though.

If Berba is available there will be numerous clubs after his signature.

Where have you heard he is comitted? No where i've read.

After the Carling cup win, he said he didn't want to leave Spurs but did want Champs League football. I'll try and find a source for it.

Anyways if Berba was to move I believe it would be to the scum.

After the Carling cup win, he said he didn't want to leave Spurs but did want Champs League football. I'll try and find a source for it.

Anyways if Berba was to move I believe it would be to the scum.

IMO a normal reaction after winning a cup. He wont stay there next season. Scum will grab him and leave Villa up for us and Chelski after they jack the price up.

If Berba goes to Scum, then is there not a danger of Villa heading to spurs as a replacement. That will be £20m+ they have not including funds they get in summer.

I think Lennon would be a good buy actually but I'm not sure where he would fit in like, he does not seem to me to be the sort of player who would be happy to sit on d old bench when he knows he's a good prospect for any team and should be included.  As long as he stays injury free then he'll be great and may go to Arsenal or Man U not us.

I think Lennon would be a good buy actually but I'm not sure where he would fit in like, he does not seem to me to be the sort of player who would be happy to sit on d old bench when he knows he's a good prospect for any team and should be included.  As long as he stays injury free then he'll be great and may go to Arsenal or Man U not us.

What makes you think he won't come to us

In my opinion, we should go for the other names that are being tossed about. I don't think Lennon will do a better job than Pennant and Berbatov won't fancy being "number 2" behind El Nino if we keep this formation into next season.

Bring on David Villa...

if we got them for good prices then i would say yes. iv always been impressed with lennon, his pace in particular. hes fast and intelligent on the ball and hes very young!

they both are adapted to the premier league so it wudnt take time for them to settle in, i wud go for both. berba cud be a fantastic partner to el nino up front.

I dont beleive berba is a realistic target but lennon could be, him and babel on either wing is a dangerous combo

I wouldn't go for either of them. Where do you play Berbatov,surely not instead of Stevie G or Fernando and would he be happy in a supporting role out wide, being expected to track back into midfield I think not. As for Lennon I can't make my mind up about him, I would still prefer Aguero given the choice.

Definitely not to either...

Redroy, agreed, where could we fit Berba in?

Aguero is striker to isnt he? Left footed too (?)

I think we have to buy specialised players in their positions.

Apparently we are going to battle it out with newcastle for lennon. How much of that is true i do not know though.

We probably arent going to keep this formation next season imo so berbatov would just go upfront but we arent going to even bid for him so it doesnt matter.

Redroy, agreed, where could we fit Berba in?

Aguero is striker to isnt he? Left footed too (?)

I think we have to buy specialised players in their positions.

Yes predominently left footed, but I'd settle for having his right foot on my leg ;DThe reason why I like Aguero, is that while he is comfortable playing out wide in a traditional wing position, he would be capable of playing as a second top quality striker in 4-4-2 formation or alternately deputise for either Fernando or Stevie should this be needed. Oh and also he's Argentinian so not afraid to put his foot in when required

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Fair enough point mate, so like a Ryan Babel in your eyes? Cutting in from the wing.

Fair enough point mate, so like a Ryan Babel in your eyes? Cutting in from the wing.

Exactly, Fernando's strength is going past defenders at pace, so we need players around him who can complement him not some one footed wonder who stays out wide and who's only contribution is to beat defenders and swing in balls into the "danger zone" wherever that is, that's ok if Crouch is the lone striker.

Does anyone think rafa can take a winger who is already good and make them great?

I think if he can we should get lennon. He is a great player when at his best and is very effective. As it seems we arent going for ashley young (my personal joint top target) i think lennon would be a good option he can be great under the right manager. He did manage to get nominated for young player of the year last season i think he is good but needs encouraagement and has found it hard playing under ramos but has still managed to put in some starring roles this season e.g. against arsenal in one of the cups springs to mind.

Does anyone think rafa can take a winger who is already good and make them great?

I think if he can we should get lennon. He is a great player when at his best and is very effective. As it seems we arent going for ashley young (my personal joint top target) I think lennon would be a good option he can be great under the right manager. He did manage to get nominated for young player of the year last season I think he is good but needs encouraagement and has found it hard playing under ramos but has still managed to put in some starring roles this season e.g. against arsenal in one of the cups springs to mind.

Just read on BBC that Juande is targetting Bentley and we are chasing Lennon. So maybe...

Just read on BBC that Juande is targetting Bentley and we are chasing Lennon. So maybe...

Could turn out to be a good move, i think lennon can be a great player, last season he suprised me every game i saw him play he was really impressiv and he's still only 20 years old. Ok he isnt the best yet but he still has alot to learn and alot of time to learn it in. He can destroy teams with his pace and some of his passing is great. I think if he came to us he would improve alot and he is one of those players that can both start a game well and threaten a defence as well as coming off the bench and working well against tired legs.

If the cowboys will give rafa 35mil

I think that Lennon will be a good signing but berba is not a 20 a season, and i would prefare villa .
Lennon and villa will be OK    

Apparently  NEWCASTLE could land Lennon for as little as £4 million. Would be kicking myself if they do and we just let him go there instead of buying him, £4 million would be a great deal for him.

Agreed, he'd be worth a gamble at 4 mil...but certainly not 10.

This one is simple.
Lennon, no ( he cant cross for sh*t)
Berbatov, yes ,probally the most graceful footballer ive seen since van basten, his touch is freakishly good, he creates a shitload of goals too. Only downfall is he temprement sometimes he can really motivate his team othertimes he can be negative and slag his own teammates when he doesnt get the service he's needs.
Can you picture Gerrard taking lip of him if his pass isnt perfect? (which thankfully rarely happens) I cant

Personally I believe that RAMOS is a very astute manager and if LENNON was potentially world class there is no way he would even think of letting him go! Given RAFAS preferred rotation policy I can not see that going down well with BERBA and may create some unwanted dressing room tension. Lets look elsewhere I don't think JOE COLE is too happy constantly in and out of the Chelsea side, what a signing he would be!!!!! YNWA!

I think these two players are tailor made for our current requirements, i really think we could by these two and then just concentrate on getting two world class fullbacks in the closed season...

What do you think?

Personally I believe that RAMOS is a very astute manager and if LENNON was potentially world class there is no way he would even think of letting him go! Given RAFAS preferred rotation policy I can not see that going down well with BERBA and may create some unwanted dressing room tension. Lets look elsewhere I don't think JOE COLE is too happy constantly in and out of the Chelsea side, what a signing he would be!!!!! YNWA!

Dont mean to nit pick but you just said Berba wont be happy with rotation and Joe Cole should come because he is sick of rotation while apparently we do it too!

I would love Cole to come though, he wont be left out here and stuck on the bench - we could shift Ryan up front and become our 2nd top notch striker. Talk about hitting 2 birds with1 stone eh?

Aboslutely agreed Crouchinho, I've been all for Joe Cole, and Babel up front, but unlike you, I'm a bit slow and didn't put 2 and 2 together. I could imagine J.Cole running around for Liverpool, receiving a pass from Stevie, in to Babel who sets it up for Torres! GOAL!!!

I have a lot of Spurs mates.. and they have all heard the stories linking Lennon with Liverpool, and everyone ive spoken to has said they hope he goes.. That sums it up for me.. If his own fans dont rate him..! As for Berbatov.. not sure.. I would much rather have Robbie Keane.. He just reminds me of a Liverpool type player.. I think him and Torres would have some fun together....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no doubt in my mind that berbatov is one of the most naturally gifted players in the country but he does seem to be very temperamental, I drool at the combination of berba and nando linking up though. I feel we will be priced out of the market and I hate to say it but I think he will end up at un**ed.

I really dont think Lennon is better than Pennant.

We dont look interested anymore anyway.

please.... i hope we can sign lennon...

i heard that Newcastle are set to make a move for Lennon. Dont know if its true or not though