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      Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?

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      Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Feb 17, 2009 05:09:03 pm
      We are playing against lower teams and can't score.
      Maybe Rafa should try new tactics playing more forwards and get the goals rather than holding so much procession and ended with a draw.

      Any comments?
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #1: Feb 17, 2009 07:05:39 pm
      All depends on who you would consider the 'lower teams'.

      When we played Hull at Anfield, I considered Hull to be a lower team, much like when we played Wigan, however on both occasions we nearly had a shock.

      Going with 2 or 3 forwards could be pretty costly at times like these if your talking about the starting line-up.
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      Reply #2: Feb 17, 2009 09:33:42 pm
      I agree that going with more forwards might be dangerous for ourselves. We could do that as we do have world-class midfielders.
      It a way to tell our opponent that we are here to play to win.
      Throwing more forwards in the starting line actually make opponent think twice if they want to play deep defending.
      It does have more chance for us to get goo freekick positions.
      Of course this tactic will works better if 1 or 2 of our forward could actually play in other role as well and this will make opponent in dilemma at all times as we can switch formation easily when needed.
      I remember watching Roma and Ajax using such tactic and out scoring alot of lower rank team.
      This also help most of our forward maintaining form and easier to rotate and replace if any injury occurs.
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #3: Feb 17, 2009 09:44:55 pm
      No, just push up our defensive line. We start too slowly and try to work in to a game when playing against 'lower teams' leaving them to have time to settle in as well and that usually means they get their defence sorted.

      Dont hold back untill we score is the best remedy IMO.
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #4: Feb 17, 2009 09:45:24 pm
      5-4-1 is the way to go!

      With Ngog/Babel up top. Eeeeexcellent.
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #5: Feb 17, 2009 09:50:32 pm
      A well trained team can play 4-3-3 when attacking, and repositioning to 4-5-1 when defending.  But it requires two fast strikers with good stamina. And it's gotta be well trained, or else the team wont't mark correctly and the team will end up opening too many spaces in the middle. "Lower" teams may not be very good at taking advantage of those spaces, but can't be too careful in a position like ours. It would time too much time to set it right, so I guess our current formation is our best choice.
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      Reply #6: Feb 17, 2009 10:05:04 pm
      It very obvious that our current formation do not work well against lower team. We tend to hold the ball for too long before creating a good shot opportunites.
      We could be well leading the table with more points by now if we had not drawn so many games against those low team.
      It a good sign that we did not lose matches.. but in order to win our league title.. we need to secure 3 points against low team.
      In fact.. I do not see the problem we have fielding 3 forwards with player such as Kuyt, Babel who can play attacking midfield as well..
      From a 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 going into 4-5-1 is not really a big changes.. our players is surely be well trained enough to take the challenge.
      In order to win.. we have to score.. in order not to lose.. we do not conceed.
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      Reply #7: Feb 18, 2009 02:24:38 am
      It all depends on how strong the "lower" teams attacking options are.
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #8: Feb 18, 2009 08:59:21 am
      Look at what happened to us against Pompey. We conceded 2 goals, even though we had 8 defencive minded players (including Reina). So obviously that doesn't work. I think we do need more upfront, though not necessarily strikers, just the defence and midfielders playing higher up the pitch.
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #9: Feb 18, 2009 10:04:12 am
      We are playing against lower teams and can't score.
      Maybe Rafa should try new tactics playing more forwards and get the goals rather than holding so much procession and ended with a draw.

      Any comments?



      What a horribly simplistic take on things!

      What's the point of having a load of forwards if you don't have anyone to create the chances for them? Games are won in the midfield.

      And what are "forwards" anyway? Are wingers forwards? Is Gerrard a forward when he plays behind Torres? Is Kuyt a forward on the right?
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      Reply #10: Feb 18, 2009 10:30:51 pm


      What a horribly simplistic take on things!

      What's the point of having a load of forwards if you don't have anyone to create the chances for them? Games are won in the midfield.

      And what are "forwards" anyway? Are wingers forwards? Is Gerrard a forward when he plays behind Torres? Is Kuyt a forward on the right?

      I refer to tactical forwards...
      When we are attacking now.. our main forward players are the only 2.. Torres and Gerrard (out striker taking long shot).
      Basically.. What our team is playing are a 4-4-1-1 formation..
      When defending.. we are shift into 4-1-4-1 and attacking with 4-2-3-1
      If we could do a 4-1-2-3 in attacking, we have higher chances making goals.
      Getting numbers into opponent deep area can cause them to panic and making more mistakes which turn into our advantage.
      Of course by doing so.. opponent could counter-attack more easily but the best defensive is always be offensive.
      The main thing if for us to get a goals and we can start to play procession again.
      With no goals.. there is no way we can win any games.
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #11: Feb 19, 2009 01:03:02 am
      The Formation (3-4-2-1) he played against Pompey will be implemented against teams who park the bus. We did concede couple of goals but we had few of the main guns missing on the line up. We should be able to rip teams apart with that formation
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #12: Feb 19, 2009 06:46:35 am
      We just dont have 2 or 3 good enough forwards to warranty a strating place.The formation we employ with torres upfront is perfectly fine,we just need to get better quality on the right side
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #13: Feb 19, 2009 07:53:17 am
      We already have 4 forward players in the 4-2-3-1.
      Gerrard, Kuyt, Riera and Torres up front, all of whose jobs are to attack.
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #14: Feb 19, 2009 09:38:00 am
      ^^^^^^^^^

      I seriously doubt that.In the current setup,its only a part of their job to attack & their main job is to keep the opposition players in check though it should be the other way round.
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #15: Feb 19, 2009 12:21:38 pm
      I think the pompey formation could be used more! but be a bit more advertourus at home.

      3-4-3

      ---------------------- Riena -----------------------
      -- Carra -------- Squirtle ------------ Agger --
      - Arbeloa\kuyt - Masch - Xabi ------- Aurelio ---
      ---Gerrard\babel - Torres ---- Yossi \ Riera ---

      Personally I think that is good team
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #16: Feb 19, 2009 12:47:03 pm
      Our problem is we tend to have two holding midfielders against these lesser teams,to me especially at home,this seems stupid,as most teams are not gonna come to Anfield and attack us.We should sacifise one of these  and add some width,particulary on the right and try to stretch these teams who come to defend.
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #17: Feb 21, 2009 01:40:23 pm


      What a horribly simplistic take on things!

      What's the point of having a load of forwards if you don't have anyone to create the chances for them? Games are won in the midfield.

      And what are "forwards" anyway? Are wingers forwards? Is Gerrard a forward when he plays behind Torres? Is Kuyt a forward on the right?

      Forwards are clearly strikers. How can a winger be a forward when a winger isn't the same position as a striker? Gerrard doesn't play upfront when behind Torres, he plays an attacking midfield role.
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      Re: Should Liverpool play with 2 or 3 forwards against lower teams?
      Reply #18: Feb 21, 2009 02:50:18 pm
      Forwards are clearly strikers. How can a winger be a forward when a winger isn't the same position as a striker? Gerrard doesn't play upfront when behind Torres, he plays an attacking midfield role.

      No, he plays a center-forward role when he's behind Torres, with Torres playing as the striker.

      Forwards are wingers, attacking midfielders and strikers alike - as they mostly get into advanced forward positions when an attack is in motion.

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