Will United catch our trophy haul?

This really is a difficult question, not surprised it's JD who started the thread.

It's a delicate matter, one that seems to divide Liverpool supporters. Clearly there's people who want to show their support of the club, and so say it's unquestionable that we could be overtaken. I wouldn't question someone who says we could be surpassed; United's record over the past 20 years speaks for itself, regardless of whether or not we think they deserve it. The trophies are still there to be counted, it remains a possibility.

Whether or not they catch us depends on ourselves - the players and the manager. The players are undeniably some of the best we've had over the last two decades, the current crop have won trophies on an International as well as domestic level. They know what it takes to succeed, and this season's disappointment will turn to motivation and drive over the summer, of that I'm sure.

The manager has a successful history, and has built the team he wants to the best of his ability. We are settling into a formation we know well, and whilst have no silverware to show for it this season, progress has been made.

We have the base to win trophies, as do United. The key now is stability and the right mentality. Rafa and many players have signed for several more years, whilst United seem slightly more unsettled on this front. However, I would have to say that for the time being, each team looks as likely to win as the other. I could see things remaining as close as they are for the foreseeable future, unless either club has significant financial difficulties, or is taken over by a richer, more determined party.

Time to panic then, as they will in fact only be two behind!

They win next week they will be on 4, just one behind

They win next week they will be on 4, just one behind

That'll teach me to try and be clever. :

We might be equal on 18 now but we would definitely be he first to get to 19th and from then on we would be up,up and away.

The first thing to do is to take out the Mickey mouse cups i.e. club world cup., intercontinental cup., super cup., charity shield., so we take from our total of 58 minus 18 and in the real competitions we are left with 40 trophy's against MU's total of 56 minus 20 and the total is 36 trophy's. The others are a lottery and should really be seen in that context.

It is discomforting to know that they are very close to matching us but I don't think their dominance will continue, I don't particularly think it will go into the next few seasons either.

As others have said all it takes is a few changes. United rely heavily on Ronaldo, he goes, they are in trouble I would say. I don't think Fergie will be at United for that much longer and I don't think whoever takes over from him will have anywhere near as much success.

We are close now with Rafa to winning the league, we have already won the Champions League and F.A Cup under him and I see no reason why we can't win trophies in the forthcoming seasons, either keeping the gap similar or hopefully extending it further.

They are definitely capable of it, they dominated the 90's while we won just 1 FA cup (correct me if I'm wrong) that period really did haul them close to us. But they still had work to do to get within touching distance, and whilst we have no doubt improved since 2000, winning a really impressive haul of trophies from then till now. But the mancs just kept winning the league, over and over, Arsenal intervened for a short period, then Chelsea, but the mancs have seen off the challenge of 'The Invincibles' and Abramovichs billions, so for that reason alone they shouldn't be dismissed as a spent force.

If we really want to reclaim the league title and have another period of dominance then we have a massive task on our hands and we need to do what the mancs have done to us, Arsenal and Chelsea.....See them off and don't let them get near the title until they really lose belief that it can be done (Doesn't so much apply to Chelsea that part)

But if any team is capable of that then it's us. Rafa knows what he's doing, and he knows how hard it will be, but he's seen of a challenge of Real and Barca back when they really we're the best around.

I think the mancs might get real real close to overhauling us, but Rafa has got us back in contention just in time. So all in all then.......No, we're Liverpool and we have always been number 1 and we won't let anyone knock us off our perch no matter how hard they try!!!

We are really going to have to try to stop united from passing us.

Well they wont be getting any closer to our haul next season because we will win the quadruple

I love the optimism mate. We should definitely be looking for 2 titles next year. In reality our expectations for the league will be the highest ever and the team needs to back that up. Also im thinkin the fa cup, not quite sure if we have the strength in depth to win 4 but hey, stranger things have happened

Well they wont be getting any closer to our haul next season because we will win the quadruple

Not worried if they do or not.

If they do, then credit to them because we've set the standard and for them, or any other side, to reach it would be a huge achievement and I for one would congratulate any side on it because of the difficulty of the task. And we'll still be, in my opinion, England's finest football club.

If they don't, then we're still England's finest, trophy wise.

Not worried if they do or not.

If they do, then credit to them because we've set the standard and for them, or any other side, to reach it would be a huge achievement and I for one would congratulate any side on it because of the difficulty of the task. And we'll still be, in my opinion, England's finest football club.

If they don't, then we're still England's finest, trophy wise.

To be honest even if they go beyond our trophy haul then I will view us as England's finest still, even if they go beyond it by 20 odd trophies (which would never happen though) and the reason for me viewing it this way is not me being biased but the fact that they were nothing in terms of our silverware until they started to splash the cash. We have always been winning trophies on little money compared to other clubs, bar the odd occasion. United, to be fair, have pretty much always been a good team capable of competing and when you give a team in that situation money then the rest is history. Look at Chelsea for example, they had potential to challenge and given the odd good signing they could really go for it, but they happened to buy basically a whole new squad and went on to do back to back titles.

If United had won the trophies they have done under Fergie on the finances we have then it would have been a different story and yes you could argue that if they then overtook our haul they are England's finest. However, this simply isn't the case.

I am answering this question with a no.

I believe Rafa has the abillity to take us back to where we belong, I would anticipate at least 4-5 trophies within the next few seasons.

IRWT

I honestly don't think any other manager in world football is better at LFC than Rafa.  I couldn't name a single manager I'd rather have right now.

I don't believe United will catch us up and I think next year we will win the treble.

No sh*t.

This season is just a preview of what our next 5 or maybe 10 seasons would be.

Rafa has built a great team, a great first 11. Now we probably need strength in depth and that will happen this summer. Considering we don't have five 20 million players sitting on the bench, we've done well to push them to the last 2 games.

League title number 19 and European Cup number 6 at least next year

This season is just a preview of what our next 5 or maybe 10 seasons would be.

Rafa has built a great team, a great first 11. Now we probably need strength in depth and that will happen this summer. Considering we don't have five 20 million players sitting on the bench, we've done well to push them to the last 2 games.

League title number 19 and European Cup number 6 at least next year

Totally agree mate, even if they do it Rafa has set a course for success over the next few years and beyond. United may have been the dominant team of the 'Premier League Era' and therefore wiped our lead away, but people should realise that when we dominated for 25 years there wasn't the money in the game that there has been since the sky t.v era and i think its been a massive help in their cause. Just a thought.