Enough

Unless you're Derek Acorah, how do you know that?

I doubt Shanks would have been that idiotic & narrow-minded.  If anything he would have sped up their education & taught them about football - the fans, the club, everything. I doubt he would have been as bigoted as some fans on here.  I still don't get your, now obvious, vendetta against them, before they've even managed to get a foot in the door & have a good look round.

you obviously no little of Shankly or his philosophy it would do you some good to read a bit more about him.
Dont start spouting crap about vendetta's you dont know what your talking about my concerns are with a club I have supported for many years and not with people who have been about for just a few months.
They have mentioned the new rules coming in more than once but they havent come in yet and there are plenty of big clubs out their who will fight it when it comes in.
My big concernis that they have come here without a plan and are now trying desperately to catch up by appointing a knowledgable CEO as a result this season is a right off they ar eprobably aware that Roy isnt the right man but need confirmation as soon as a new CEO is in place.
By the time that happens the Jan transfer will be over Roy will be here until the end of the season we will finish mid table without European football and our best players will leave for CL football. That is not a scenario that I like but it could well happen and I dont want that.
for your information Derek Acorah wouldnt need to try and contact Shankly he would know like all Liverpool supporters Directors/Owners are there to sign cheques.

You obviously no little of Shankly or his philosophy it would do you some good to read a bit more about him.
Don't start spouting crap about vendetta's you dont know what you're talking about my concerns are with a club I have supported for many years and not with people who have been about for just a few months.
They have mentioned the new rules coming in more than once but they haven't come in yet and there are plenty of big clubs out their who will fight it when it comes in.
My big concern is that they have come here without a plan and are now trying desperately to catch up by appointing a knowledgeable CEO as a result this season is a right off they are probably aware that Roy isn't the right man but need confirmation as soon as a new CEO is in place.
By the time that happens the Jan transfer will be over Roy will be here until the end of the season we will finish mid table without European football and our best players will leave for CL football. That is not a scenario that I like but it could well happen and I don't want that.
for your information Derek Acorah wouldn't need to try and contact Shankly he would know like all Liverpool supporters Directors/Owners are there to sign cheques.

Like Shankly, the days of, for better or worse, Directors/Owners just sitting in the background have gone.  Shankly would have moved with the times, maybe not agreed with it, like I don't, but accepted that the change HAS occurred.  To not realize that is both shortsighted & extremely naive in this day & age.  It's strange on minute you're begging for action from the owners, next you want them in the background, more than a little bit of dichotomy in that view point.  

I think that patience is definitely necessary at present, they've not been here 60 days yet, a rash decision now can be near fatal for the club.  Your concern they've come in without a plan is not one I share and to show I'm not just a pro-NESV, just cautiously optimistic, I think they've discovered it's a bigger job than they expected.  So give them time to get it right, although watch them.  As we all will.  Changing managers is no guarantee of improvement, ask those who wanted Benitez out.  Certainly prefer to be patient & get the right man in, not just the man who is available in.  Yes our history is an attraction, but our league position isn't at present.  It would take a small miracle at present to get Champions League next season.  

The action I want them to take has nothing to do with their public profile. They bought this club as a living breathing thing we simply cant stop the world whilst they play catch up.
I will feel much happier once we know who the new CEO is because he will be the driving force behind the club and it is his relationship with the Manager that will have a huge impact on how successful we become.
I get frustrated because I trust Liverpool supporters judgement more than I trust them and there is a solution to hand regarding Roy.
We want Roy out and Kenny would be a perfect temporary manager and when the new CEO arrives it will give him time to look at the managers postion more fully.
There is no dichotomy the owners don't need to be visible to be active. I am not expecting much activity in January whilst Roy is still in charge. Is there any news on the CEO appointment.
The poor sod will arrive at his desk on a Monday and the first thing he will have to address is Roy's position. Putting Kenny in charge buys him time gives Kenny a chance to prove he could do the job full time and would give a much needed lift to the club.

I'd have a good look at the end of the season mate. I've laid down my criteria for any manager a few times, here it is again:

 1. We absolutely MUST improve on last seasons 7th in the league. If we don't, the manager should be bombed out. If it becomes obvious that that isn't going to happen, then at any point from then onwards we should look for a new manager.

 2. Even if we do improve, it has to be by a fair bit. I think even though we haven't got good enough players to get into the top four, we should at the very least be able to challenge for it. By challenge for it, I mean not a "mathematical possibility", I mean challenge properly.

 3. Signings must on the whole be to the benefit of the club. Obviously no manager gets it right every time, but we need the needle to be swinging more to the Alonso side of the barometer rather the Aquilani one.

Your wanting to keep hodgson until the end of the season? Well then im feckin happy your not in charge and I hope that we can bring in a proven big league manager, what we need is experience from a winning manager in the big league (thats the reason why they're called 'the big leagues' because it has the best players/managers/fan support).

Its a good heading for a thread but what exactly is enough i dont know anymore.
Maintaining the clubs history and credibility with regards to premier league standing would be a good measure of a manager.

NESV will grow to regret their procrastination in not getting a replacement manager soon as when February and March next year draws nearer, we will be further away from the leading pack and we will be fighting out with the bottom half teams to avoid the drop. Looks like NESV is still trying to figure out what's going on when I can't see one real positive post supporting our current manager. The Chairman must start to look at our position, the gap is starting to open up. Assuming that we win our next game and everyone else above us lost, we'll still improve by one position or not at all depends on what happens to other teams below us. This is really depressing, NESV needs to be ruthless with the manager and players from this very minute, underperformers must go without delay. At times i'm wondering whether NESV goes into any of the independent forums, if they do, the fans in these forums cannot be too far wrong.

Just heard the Fowler interview re our Roy...,. He is hardly calling for his head and is basically saying we should give him time.

Just heard the Fowler interview re our Roy...,. He is hardly calling for his head and is basically saying we should give him time.

How old is the interview gazza? And any link to it?

It was this morning on the Alan Brasil breakfast show on Talk Sport. He basically said our position in the league isn't all that bad and give the manager more time. Perhaps the Ausie sun has gone to his head!

I no longer listen to ex players views they seem to all stick together.But once again Roy's media buddies doing a great PR job for him couldnt do the same for Rafa indeed quite the opposite .

You clearly missed the point. Perhaps what I put was beyond your level. Funnily enough, looks fairly easy to understand to me. Simple point is 4th IS NOT SUCCESS, IT IS FAILURE, CL footy or not. It means you were not good enough to be even runners-up. CL footy needs to go back to the winners only. That is why it was called the Champions League in the first place. The emphasis on inferior teams being allowed to play in the CL only further highlights the intentions of UEFA/ monsieur le frog Platini. It is not a footballing interest, it is purely monetry gain for the governing body. Where is the interest in the likes of Man Utd or Barca playing teams who will fail to gain a single, solitary point? I watch CL footy to be entertained by enthralling, well fought battles between the best teams in Europe. That is what it is supposed to be. This is why I made my comments on our team, and seeming lack of desire to be the best. Believe it or not, 4th IS NOT THE NEW 1ST. If you fail to see that, surely you are the idiot.

Against my better judgement, I'll respond. Right noe we are a crap team. Last season we were a crap team. At the beining of each and every season, Inter/AC Milan, Roma, Juve, Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern,Chelksi,Manure , Arsenal, Liverpool and now Mancity fans believe they have a divine right to win the CL ( real crap tournament per your post). Sometimes a Porto wins it and a "Special Manager" is born. Sometimes a team can win the League Championship, but not the Champions League and the Manager gets fired ( Difficult for you to pronounce, his name is Capello)
So you want the New owners to hire a manager that can win us the league immediately. Qualifying for CL is failure? What a failure Arsene and Sir Alex are. Neither won the league and yet qualified for CL. No doubt you call them tossers/wankers; in North america you'd call them "pieces of sh*t".
Now I dare you, I'm sure you'll hide, probably enjoying your nightly w*nk, blokes like you don't get laid ( get their legs over) WHO SHOULD BE THE NEXT LFC MANAGER THAT CAN  BRING HOME THE LEAGUE TROPHY. I hope somewhere along the way I've told you that in my opinion you are devoid of intellectual reasoning...

Against my better judgement, I'll respond. Right noe we are a crap team. Last season we were a crap team. At the beining of each and every season, Inter/AC Milan, Roma, Juve, Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern,Chelksi,Manure , Arsenal, Liverpool and now Mancity fans believe they have a divine right to win the CL ( real crap tournament per your post). Sometimes a Porto wins it and a "Special Manager" is born. Sometimes a team can win the League Championship, but not the Champions League and the Manager gets fired ( Difficult for you to pronounce, his name is Capello)
So you want the New owners to hire a manager that can win us the league immediately. Qualifying for CL is failure? What a failure Arsene and Sir Alex are. Neither won the league and yet qualified for CL. No doubt you call them tossers/wankers; in North america you'd call them "pieces of sh*t".
Now I dare you, I'm sure you'll hide, probably enjoying your nightly w*nk, blokes like you don't get laid ( get their legs over) WHO SHOULD BE THE NEXT LFC MANAGER THAT CAN  BRING HOME THE LEAGUE TROPHY. I hope somewhere along the way I've told you that in my opinion you are devoid of intellectual reasoning...

Oh holy F**k.  A bit OTT there but I did have a chuckle.

Against my better judgement, I'll respond. Right noe we are a crap team. Last season we were a crap team. At the beining of each and every season, Inter/AC Milan, Roma, Juve, Real Madrid, Barca, Bayern,Chelksi,Manure , Arsenal, Liverpool and now Mancity fans believe they have a divine right to win the CL ( real crap tournament per your post). Sometimes a Porto wins it and a "Special Manager" is born. Sometimes a team can win the League Championship, but not the Champions League and the Manager gets fired ( Difficult for you to pronounce, his name is Capello)
So you want the New owners to hire a manager that can win us the league immediately. Qualifying for CL is failure? What a failure Arsene and Sir Alex are. Neither won the league and yet qualified for CL. No doubt you call them tossers/wankers; in North america you'd call them "pieces of sh*t".
Now I dare you, I'm sure you'll hide, probably enjoying your nightly w*nk, blokes like you don't get laid ( get their legs over) WHO SHOULD BE THE NEXT LFC MANAGER THAT CAN  BRING HOME THE LEAGUE TROPHY. I hope somewhere along the way I've told you that in my opinion you are devoid of intellectual reasoning...

Clearly, by the way you have so rudely responded to my post, you are obviously nothing more than a pre-pubescant, keyboard warrior, with very little in the way of actual intellect.

Making assumptions about people you have never, or will never meet? Rather brave of you I think. If you had actually bothered to read my profile details, you would see how far off the mark you really are. Perhaps you are a really tough person, behind that keyboard of yours, but somehow I think you're anything but that. Now go away and get a REAL life before you get sucked into cyber space for eternity...

Someone has had a dose of space dust!

that azid fella seems well off his head

Clearly, by the way you have so rudely responded to my post, you are obviously nothing more than a pre-pubescant, keyboard warrior, with very little in the way of actual intellect.

Making assumptions about people you have never, or will never meet? Rather brave of you I think. If you had actually bothered to read my profile details, you would see how far off the mark you really are. Perhaps you are a really tough person, behind that keyboard of yours, but somehow I think you're anything but that. Now go away and get a REAL life before you get sucked into cyber space for eternity...

Perfect, we wont communicate ( how sad, I'll get to miss your intellectual prowess and ability to compose exceptional sentences. Probably Willy Shakespear in your previous life. Pretty certain about the Willy part. I am so sad, bye bye

If this bloke was Hodgson, I'd drive up to Melwood myself to finish him off.

And I don't even drive...

Getting back to the main point of the OP, week in, week out, results simply aren't up to scratch. Home is generally good, although a loss to Blackpool really is a low point in the season, along with Northampton (the kids of the kids in the squad should have been good enough to polish off NT, no disrespect).

Things need to change ASAP. Yes, we do need new players in certain areas, but we can't trust RH to make decisions in this area. Poulsen and Konchesky have proved this. As much as I don't like to disrespect the manager, and I won't go spouting bad words about him, he isn't a man worthy of being Liverpools manager.

If this bloke was Hodgson, I'd drive up to Melwood myself to finish him off.

And I don't even drive...

Yup. I must be Hodgson, you're a winner, a player , so therefore I , Roy Hodson, feel compelled to respond to a winner like you. You don't drive? That's consistency, you are in no danger of being accused of someone who can think. God, I wish I had your life, winner,has winner, winner, ah well I can only dream of being like you. Now be a good little lad, F77k off and DO NOT RESPOND

Yup. I must be Hodgson, you're a winner, a player , so therefore I , Roy Hodson, feel compelled to respond to a winner like you. You don't drive? That's consistency, you are in no danger of being accused of someone who can think. God, I wish I had your life, winner,has winner, winner, ah well I can only dream of being like you. Now be a good little lad, F77k off and DO NOT RESPOND

Time to knock it on the head aziz.

Time to knock it on the head aziz.

Agree otherwise the men in white jackets will turn up!