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      racerx34
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      Reply #23: Jan 17, 2011 01:56:04 am
      Reina absolutely.
       I love that man as much as is possible to while remaining straight.
      Captain again today and I'd leave it with him.
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      Reply #24: Jan 17, 2011 03:31:00 am
      Gerrard, Torres and Pepe are Liverpool class. That's what Liverpool class is.


      And if Kelly continues to play like he did today he will definitely be Liverpool Class and go all the way to the top.
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      Reply #25: Jan 17, 2011 05:45:47 am
      Kelly and Shelvey look like they have the potential for Liverpool class. They, along with our big three are the only players, are the only one's we have. All the rest could be replaced with better player's easily enough (if we had the money to do it!).
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      Reply #26: Jan 17, 2011 10:29:17 am
      Gerrard, Torres and Pepe are Liverpool class. That's what Liverpool class is.

      Exactly!
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      Reply #27: Jan 17, 2011 10:57:58 am
      Liverpool class are the players who have the ability as a footballer and as a person. In years gone by, we wouldn't sign a player until we knew what they were like as a person as well. Could have all the ability in the world, but if they weren't a decent person then they got fu**ed right off - wonder why all the talented yet abusers never made their way to Anfield I.e. Frank Worthington (who we were heavily linked with), George Best, Paul Gascogine, Paul Merson, Tony Adams, Rodney Marsh and so on. The one problem we had was Jan Molby with a bit of drink driving.

      We also used to tell the money grabbing cu*ts with an agent to f**k off before they'd even sat down if there was an agent present. If you need some money mad tw*t to tell you to sign for this club then you're not welcome here. You should be honoured to even be wanted by us and be on your knees begging this club to take you. Not have an agent in your ear telling you to ask for more money or instead you'll go elsewhere. If that's your attitude then go elsewhere.

      There's very few at the squad who I believe to have the right ability as a footballer and right attitude as a person to be considered Liverpool class. Some like Kuyt have the attitude of hard work but lack ability. Some like Meireles have the ability but lack the attitude to go right through with a tackle. That's why these players will never be world class or consistently top drawer. You need both to be Liverpool class.

      I understand and agree with what you are saying Billy, but some of the examples you gave aren't good ones. Frank Worthington failed the medical (twice) or we would have signed him, the board wouldn't pay the £250k for Best (Shanks wanted him),and according to Gascoigne's book, Dalglish wanted to sign him but Gascoigne wouldn't wait. A better example might be Bowyer who Houllier pissed off when he thought his attitude was wrong(pity he didn't do the same with Diouf and Diao!)

      Certainly under Shanks character was an important consideration which seems to have lost importance over the years to our cost.  To be honest, I wonder how much time managers spend actually talking to players before signing them these days, is it not now all done through agents and intermediaries?

      I think Carra was the typical example of a Liverpool class player (I know a lot think he has lost that in the latter years) someone who gave 100% and while maybe not the best in England in his position was a good player who made up for any shortfalls with effort and determination. I just think we were spoiled under Shanks and Paisley when we had so many great players who gave everything for the team.

      Different times now mate, money is king and too many players would rather be sat on the bench with big wages and a fat advertising contract than playing for a few quid less.

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      Reply #28: Jan 17, 2011 11:29:15 am
      I understand and agree with what you are saying Billy, but some of the examples you gave aren't good ones. Frank Worthington failed the medical (twice) or we would have signed him, the board wouldn't pay the £250k for Best (Shanks wanted him),and according to Gascoigne's book, Dalglish wanted to sign him but Gascoigne wouldn't wait. A better example might be Bowyer who Houllier pissed off when he thought his attitude was wrong(pity he didn't do the same with Diouf and Diao!)

      Certainly under Shanks character was an important consideration which seems to have lost importance over the years to our cost.  To be honest, I wonder how much time managers spend actually talking to players before signing them these days, is it not now all done through agents and intermediaries?

      I think Carra was the typical example of a Liverpool class player (I know a lot think he has lost that in the latter years) someone who gave 100% and while maybe not the best in England in his position was a good player who made up for any shortfalls with effort and determination. I just think we were spoiled under Shanks and Paisley when we had so many great players who gave everything for the team.

      Different times now mate, money is king and too many players would rather be sat on the bench with big wages and a fat advertising contract than playing for a few quid less.


      I learnt a lot from your post, thank you. Why did Manure even consider selling Best? I "assume" 250 thousand pounds in those days would be Kaka like transfer fee? I regret Anelka wasn't signed by Houllier or Benitez after a deal had been agreed; he and Torres would have scored a few important goals for us.
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      Reply #29: Jan 17, 2011 11:48:16 am
      I learnt a lot from your post, thank you. Why did Manure even consider selling Best? I "assume" 250 thousand pounds in those days would be Kaka like transfer fee? I regret Anelka wasn't signed by Houllier or Benitez after a deal had been agreed; he and Torres would have scored a few important goals for us.

      Best wasn't training, was drinking heavily,he had just been done for assaulting a girl (broke her nose), and said he no longer wanted to play for the club, then he had a thrombosis which kept him out for months so it would have been an enormous gamble for any club. I don't think £250k was a huge sum, but would guess it would have broken the british record. He said it was all because United had such a poor team, so maybe the gamble would have come off if he had come to a better side (Liverpool), but I doubt it.   
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      Reply #30: Jan 17, 2011 01:45:50 pm
      I understand and agree with what you are saying Billy, but some of the examples you gave aren't good ones. Frank Worthington failed the medical (twice) or we would have signed him, the board wouldn't pay the £250k for Best (Shanks wanted him),and according to Gascoigne's book, Dalglish wanted to sign him but Gascoigne wouldn't wait. A better example might be Bowyer who Houllier pissed off when he thought his attitude was wrong(pity he didn't do the same with Diouf and Diao!)

      Certainly under Shanks character was an important consideration which seems to have lost importance over the years to our cost.  To be honest, I wonder how much time managers spend actually talking to players before signing them these days, is it not now all done through agents and intermediaries?

      I think Carra was the typical example of a Liverpool class player (I know a lot think he has lost that in the latter years) someone who gave 100% and while maybe not the best in England in his position was a good player who made up for any shortfalls with effort and determination. I just think we were spoiled under Shanks and Paisley when we had so many great players who gave everything for the team.

      Different times now mate, money is king and too many players would rather be sat on the bench with big wages and a fat advertising contract than playing for a few quid less.



      But, it's the attitude as to why those players didn't sign mate. Worthington would of been signed had his attitude been right and he took Shanks' advise of F**k off on holiday and let your health sort itself out. Worthington took the holiday, but instead went on the lash and copped off for a bird instead - wrong attitude. Gazza wouldn't wait for Liverpool - wrong attitude. And Best, I know Shanks wanted him and to be fair most managers would of wanted a man of his ability, but because of his lifestyle he was always gonna be a gamble. Plus early 70s, we had Keegan and Toshack up front and Heighway and Cally on the wings - no place for Best unfortunately ;)

      So it was the attitude of these players that cost them from joining up with Liverpool Football Club. If they had the right attitude they may of been signed up and may of been considered "Liverpool" class. As it is, they didn't have the attitude and will never be Liverpool class.

      Couldn't agree more though about the modern day player. The vast majority, if not all, are more than pleased to pick up a big fat pay cheque every week regardless of whether or not they're playing. Money is paramount now and it's ruining the game.
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      Reply #31: Jan 17, 2011 07:25:10 pm
       I could be wrong but I am sure we used to really go into a players background before signing him in Shanks and Paisley's time.If you look back to the 60s and 70s there were not that many mad signings,well certainly nowhere like the number of duds in the last 10 years.
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      Reply #32: Jan 17, 2011 07:56:46 pm
      I could be wrong but I am sure we used to really go into a players background before signing him in Shanks and Paisley's time.If you look back to the 60s and 70s there were not that many mad signings,well certainly nowhere like the number of duds in the last 10 years.
      One false move and you were out no questions asked.

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