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      Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece

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      bgwdivemaster
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      Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Sep 22, 2009 02:16:21 pm
      "Albert Einstein once said: 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

      I'm tempted to ask Liverpool boss, Rafa Benitez, what he's thinking when it comes to his team defending set pieces. Since the Spaniard moved from Valencia to Anfield, the major Achilles heel has been their inability to stop the one play in football that has an air of predictability about it.

      To date Liverpool have conceded goals on set plays against Tottenham, Aston Villa, Bolton and most recently, West Ham.

      Twice it has cost them victories and when you consider that the Merseysiders only lost two league matches in all of last season, this has got to be a tactical consideration that must be addressed, especially as the club moves into European play.

      Benitez believes in zonal marking at set plays and he also doesn't position players on the posts at corners. His defensive leaders, Pepe Reina, Jamie Carragher and Martin Skrtel are supposedly taking charge of the penalty area and yet week-after-week opposing players are finding space where they can create havoc and score goals.

      Surely by now it must be obvious to Benitez that he should use the tried and test method of man-to-man marking? It doesn't get any simpler: there is your man, stop him from getting to the ball. End of story and the end of Liverpool defenders looking at each other wondering what happened as once again the ball ends up in the back of the net.

      In all honesty, I'm surprised that senior players like Steven Gerrard and Carragher haven't yet said: 'Boss, we need to change the system.'

      There is a major hurdle to cross if this is to happen because if Rafa were to climb down, it would entail eating a not-so-small portion of humble pie. The Spaniard is way too stubborn to admit failure in this department though, so Liverpool will soldier on and continue to put themselves in danger of losing matches they should win comfortably.

      With a thrilling victory over West Ham on Saturday, Benitez will point to the table and say to the assembled media corps that they should focus on the result. Good point, but this is yet another victory that I believe papers over cracks. Liverpool have not looked 100% in either the defensive or offensive departments this season.
           
      In the back line I applaud the attacking verve of Glenn Johnson and Emiliano Insua, but their first job is to defend. I admire the never-say-die spirit of Jamie Carragher but against pace he's looking increasingly past it. I like the steel of Martin Skrtel but I am constantly reminded of the grace and consistency of an Alan Hansen — the return of Danny Agger cannot come soon enough. As for Pepe Reina, at times he's flapping about like a bird learning how to fly — not a back-four confidence booster.

      At the other end of the pitch, sixteen goals is a healthy return. However, when you delve a little deeper there is a frightening lack of center forward fire power once you get past Fernando Torres.

      The Spanish hit man is currently the most electrifying forward in world football but (and I better whisper this) what if he gets injured and who replaces him?

      Ryan Babel? I'm quaking.

      David Ngog? I'm trembling.

      Andrei Voronin? I've gone positively weak at the knees.

      It'll be interesting to see what Benitez has up his sleeve with the fabled 'Plan B.'

      Red fans will point to the emergence of Yossi Benayoun (never a Benitez favorite) and Dirk Kuyt as goal scorers but I think that they're getting more opportunities as the Reds' opponents focus more of their resources on stopping Steven Gerrard. Like Torres it's tempting to ask what happens if...?

      As for the Liverpool bench, it is so completely underwhelming compared to other members of the 'Big Four', I'm almost embarrassed for the club when the substitutes' names appear on the team sheet. Whether Alberto Aquilani can give the impression of more depth remains to be seen and I wouldn't be surprised if Benitez made some moves in January.

      For the time being though, third place in the Premiership is a position from which they can build but with nineteen years of frustration stinking up Anfield, one wonders if Einstein's quote will someday replace 'You'll never walk alone' as Liverpool's motto.

      Until then, I'll see you at the far post...."

      Source: http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/10103308/Rafa's-Reds-have-lost-the-plot-at-the-set-piece

      What are your thoughts gents?
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #1: Sep 22, 2009 02:19:23 pm
      Got to the point where he called Pepe 'flapping about like a bird learning how to fly' and stopped reading. Guys a mug.
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      Reply #2: Sep 22, 2009 02:24:02 pm
      Yeah that writer has a overly pessimistic view of our team.  I just thought it was important to bring to light what this idiot was saying.

      The man - to - man versus zone defending point on set pieces is one thing.  To have an unnecessarily pessimistic view of every player in every position is another.

      Rafa is going to make him eat those ill chosen words.
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #3: Sep 22, 2009 02:28:35 pm
      I don't see how 'we've lost the plot at set-pieces' can evolve into 'lets have a dig at their lack of forwards'
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #4: Sep 22, 2009 02:48:15 pm
      What a tw*t! The zonal marking vs man-marking debate is one that has more to it than most people think. I remember an article from Tomkins  last year I think, where there were some interesting stats for those that say zonal marking is incredibly stupid. I can't remember them off the top of my head but I seem to recall we had one of the best defensive records against set pieces in the League, it was just when we (inevitably - you can't stop it every time) conceded, it was because of a lapse in concentration that let someone get the run on the defenders. This year there is a case for scrapping the zonal system, but then again our defence has been generally below average all season, not just from set pieces.

      And then to go on and manage to say something negative about almost every single Liverpool player is ridiculous, how is this guy allowed to write sport journalism?

      Like you guys, I hope Rafa makes this tw*t eat his words.


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      Reply #5: Sep 22, 2009 03:05:05 pm
      What a tw*t! The zonal marking vs man-marking debate is one that has more to it than most people think. I remember an article from Tomkins  last year I think, where there were some interesting stats for those that say zonal marking is incredibly stupid. I can't remember them off the top of my head but I seem to recall we had one of the best defensive records against set pieces in the League, it was just when we (inevitably - you can't stop it every time) conceded, it was because of a lapse in concentration that let someone get the run on the defenders. This year there is a case for scrapping the zonal system, but then again our defence has been generally below average all season, not just from set pieces.

      And then to go on and manage to say something negative about almost every single Liverpool player is ridiculous, how is this guy allowed to write sport journalism?

      Like you guys, I hope Rafa makes this tw*t eat his words.






      Bio: Nick Webster has been a senior writer on FOXSoccer.com for the last 10 years. As the host of the popular Fox Football Fone-In, Nick has the opportunity to sound off each week about world soccer. Nick also works behind the camera and directs and produces Fox Soccer Match Day, a preview of the Barclays Premier League, and Super Sunday+, a review show of all the best action from around the globe.

      Senior writer?  ::)
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #6: Sep 22, 2009 03:24:17 pm
      Why not go man to man in set pieces and zonal in the rest?
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #7: Sep 22, 2009 03:35:59 pm
      Nick Webster is a long-serving Daily Mirror feature writer - and a longer-serving Chelsea fan.

      Says all you need to know folks.
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      Reply #8: Sep 22, 2009 03:40:02 pm
      Why not go man to man in set pieces and zonal in the rest?

      The rest? Such as??

      I'm guessin he couldn't think of anythin to write so just done what a lot of journalists do and went true to form and regurgitated the same old sh*te. Nobody can argue against the fact that we were the best team in the english game defensively last year cos thats what the stat's say. Its just a knee jerk reaction that 'they' have when we let a goal in because it's a rarity.

      They need to fill their columns and that article is just another example of a journalist who's gotten lazy in his job.
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #9: Sep 22, 2009 03:45:16 pm
      Nick Webster is a long-serving Daily Mirror feature writer - and a longer-serving Chelsea fan.

      Says all you need to know folks.
      And a total :tosser:
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      Reply #10: Sep 22, 2009 05:51:30 pm
      Red fans will point to the emergence of Yossi Benayoun (never a Benitez favorite) What Rafa adores Benny. remember what he said after the Burnley win
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #11: Sep 22, 2009 05:56:13 pm
      Havent read the article.... but he HAVE lost the plot at set pieces that bit's true.
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #12: Sep 22, 2009 06:32:55 pm
      Oi Webster, F**k off?
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #13: Sep 22, 2009 06:40:52 pm
      He is quick to point out that we have lost twice this year with zonal marking and also states that we only lost twice last season - with the same F***ing system.

      What is clear is that Carra and Skrtel are having a bit of an indifferent patch - you only have to look at the WHam game to see they are not high on confidence at the moment.

      While I am no great lover of zonal marking (speaking as an ex-centre half, though obviously nowhere near the same level) these players are (or should be) good enough to employ any system they are told to.  Be that man-to-man, zonal or diamond-Xmas-tree-fish-finger shape.

      Plus, anyone who is the senior pundit (did he ever play?) for a "soccer" show can F**k right off!
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #14: Sep 22, 2009 10:15:05 pm
      Okay this is from Wikipedia (so take it for what its worth!) and this is what is said on our #1 fan:

      "Broadcasting

      Webster began his broadcast career with Fox Soccer Channel (then Fox Sports World) in May 2000. His first assignment of note was writing the copy for Lionel Bienvenu and the highly popular EPL Review Show.[2] By 2004, Webster was the voice of the English Premier League as he provided the majority of the wraparounds for the world’s most popular league.

      In addition to calling matches from the EPL, Webster also commentated on the Italian Serie A, Spain’s La Liga, the German Bundesliga, France’s Ligue 1, the Dutch Eredivisie, Chile’s Primera Division, the Campeonato Brasileiro Série A and Argentina’s Apertura. Additionally, he has called matches from the UEFA Cup including the finals in 2004, 2005 and 2006, the UEFA Super Cup, World Cup Qualifying, and the Toulon Tournament.

      Webster has also covered in person the following tournaments: FIFA World Cup 2002 and 2006; UEFA European Championship 2004 and 2008; FIFA Confederations Cup 2003; ICC 2003 Cricket World Cup; and CONCACAF Gold Cup 2001, 2003, 2005, 2007, providing daily articles and news stories for foxsoccer.com and foxsports.com.[3]

      Webster is also the host of Fox Football Fone-In, a popular call-in show for soccer fans.

      Coaching

      Webster grew up in Sao Paolo, Brazil and North London, England, attending some of the biggest club soccer matches in the world. In 1987 Webster immigrated to the United States and shortly thereafter began his soccer-coaching career at Occidental College, Los Angeles as the men's assistant coach to Lowell Thomas. In his one season with the Tigers, Webster helped the team to 2nd place in The Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.

      In 1989, Webster began a two-year stint as Head Boy's Coach at Bishop Alemany High School, Mission Hills. In 1992 he moved to the Marlborough School, Los Angeles where he guided the girl's middle school team to the Delphic League title. In 1994, Webster earned his United States Soccer Federation 'A' license and the following year was named Head Girl's Coach at Beverly Hills High School, Los Angeles.

      In 1997 he moved to Windward High School, Los Angeles to become the Head Coach of Boy’s Varsity team. In his first season, the Wildcats won the first of five League Championships under his coaching. In 2004 as an unseeded school, the Wildcats won their first ever boy's CIF Southern Section title defeating Carpentaria High School 2-1. Webster was named CIF Southern Section Division VI Coach of the Year."

      Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Webster

      I'd love to meet this guy in person.  I have a few carefully prepared words for him...

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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #15: Sep 22, 2009 10:33:19 pm
      F***ing worthless tool!
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #16: Oct 06, 2009 01:16:39 pm
      I don't see how 'we've lost the plot at set-pieces' can evolve into 'lets have a dig at their lack of forwards'
      I think you are probably wrong..We are not marking well....
      All goals are coming through that hole only...
      There are some problems in our backline
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      Re: Article: Rafa's Reds have lost the plot at the set-piece
      Reply #17: Oct 06, 2009 01:18:39 pm
      Red fans will point to the emergence of Yossi Benayoun (never a Benitez favorite) What Rafa adores Benny. remember what he said after the Burnley win
      Red fans will point to the emergence of Yossi Benayoun (never a Benitez favorite) What Rafa adores Benny. remember what he said after the Burnley win
      Yossi is actually very good ....He deserves the spot light

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