Andy Carroll's role for LFC

Cole and Carroll scored against the Spuds tonight.



Funny old world really.

We should keep him imo we won't get more than £10 mill & he's worth much more than that.
The best target man around when fit & he'll get better the more he plays with a bit of luck.

A great alternative to have against certain opponents..

"And to an extent Rush"

Rushie is the greatest striker to ever pull on a red shirt in my humblest of opinions, his closing down of defenders and winning the ball was phenomenal he'd be the first name on the teamsheet if he played today!

Don't forget Roger Hunt,he did not do too bad 245 goals in 401 matches and my hero Billy Liddell,he knew how to put the ball in the net.

Andy Carroll's role for LFC is to get his arse up to Tyneside this summer so we can get Ben Arfa.

I'd still welcome him here, and if he fails then bench him till he's sold. But I'm worried by the quality of our crosses who barely reach their target. I'd welcome him here, just to see what he can bring to the team: I'm curious and I am willing to give him a chance. Downing got more than enough chance, Carroll should at least get some benefit of the doubt.

didn't he get chances though? he returned with about 2 goals.

rubbish. get shut.

I'd still welcome him here, and if he fails then bench him till he's sold. But I'm worried by the quality of our crosses who barely reach their target. I'd welcome him here, just to see what he can bring to the team: I'm curious and I am willing to give him a chance. Downing got more than enough chance, Carroll should at least get some benefit of the doubt.

Cole and Carroll scored against the Spuds tonight.



Funny old world really.

Funny old world is right Skip and uncannily predictable.
There were many who ventured that the cause of the inconsistency with both Carroll and Cole was the unrealistic expectation of both players in affecting the perceived decline of LFC and the ensuing criticism therein; whether that expectation had it's roots in the financial aspects of their signings or not it remains as unrealistic.

In the eyes of some that decline has gone some way in being addressed but the failings attributed to Carroll and Cole still prevail to an extent and are possibly a reason for our faultering rate of progress.
 For one reason or the other and I could very well stand to be corrected, I am still on the fence about Cole but remain convinced that Andy Carroll given the time, could have done a job for us; their subsequent form puts a lot of meat on the bones of that particular statement.

 

Wish the big man the best but he won't be here next season.

All you have to do is look at Andy's returns for us and Sturridge's returns and you'll quickly see the kind of player and production that we need to be looking at.

Andy Carroll's role for LFC is to get his arse up to Tyneside this summer so we can get Ben Arfa.

Got to agree with this.

Keep West Ham up.

Not just because we may have a 17 Million clause in his loan deal
but because it will give us a stronger hand if Newcastle are in for him.

Funny old world is right Skip and uncannily predictable.
There were many who ventured that the cause of the inconsistency with both Carroll and Cole was the unrealistic expectation of both players in affecting the perceived decline of LFC and the ensuing criticism therein; whether that expectation had it's roots in the financial aspects of their signings or not it remains as unrealistic.

In the eyes of some that decline has gone some way in being addressed but the failings attributed to Carroll and Cole still prevail to an extent and are possibly a reason for our faultering rate of progress.
 For one reason or the other and I could very well stand to be corrected, I am still on the fence about Cole but remain convinced that Andy Carroll given the time, could have done a job for us; their subsequent form puts a lot of meat on the bones of that particular statement.

I think so too Stu.

However there is some poetic justice in Newcastle's disgusting gloating over the Carroll deal when you look at their current league position.

Meat and Bone ? Lunch comes to mind.  Mmmmmm. (Said in a Mr T accent )

 

My argument against that would be we put in a hell of a lot of crosses last season and how many exactly did he bury?

Injuries. Time on the pitch.

My argument against that would be we put in a hell of a lot of crosses last season and how many exactly did he bury?

Bingus!

Injuries. Time on the pitch.

He started 29 games last season in all competitions. Subbed on 18 times, unused sub 3 times. 4 league goals, 4 FA Cup goals, 1 League Cup.

In terms of games started and goals scored, he scored 6 times in 29 starts, all competitions, last season.

Bingus!

He started 29 games last season in all competitions. Subbed on 18 times, unused sub 3 times. 4 league goals, 4 FA Cup goals, 1 League Cup.

In terms of games started and goals scored, he scored 6 times in 29 starts, all competitions, last season.

I seem to remember someone pulling out a stat that we put in more crosses last season than any other team. The number of times Andy was actually in the box threatening getting on the end would of been a pretty low percentage though.

That's why I said the reason he was so good against opposing corners is that he actually started in the box, it would seem the most obvious and simple lesson for a big man to learn that to have an opportunity to score you have to get in there but time and again Andy would be seen labouring somewhere around the D.

After watching him for West Ham again yesterday he seemed the same infuriating player he always was with us, absolutely no 2nd gear when the cross was about to played, no anticipation and constantly barracking his team-mates when they failed to provide him with a chance.

Loved how he took his penalty yesterday I have to say and a good effort to win it, but I just don't think he has the pace to play the way we are playing now. Look at how Sturridge has slotted right in and I believe that a good part of the reason for that is his pace and anticipation, two things Andy seems to lack at this point in time.

Some people here don't seem to remember that for all his skill at heading balls, his ability to get to the end of crosses is still pretty close to non-existant. There was a whole lot of debate and  rage about how he would be caught standing on his heels like a statue in about 9 of every 10 crosses made. I'd rather have a more mobile striker that's also good at heading, someone that'll throw himself flying at crosses like Falcao or Inzaghi. A pure number 9 in that mould would help us more than the lumbering collosus that Andy was in the box.

I seem to remember someone pulling out a stat that we put in more crosses last season than any other team. The number of times Andy was actually in the box threatening getting on the end would of been a pretty low percentage though.

That's why I said the reason he was so good against opposing corners is that he actually started in the box, it would seem the most obvious and simple lesson for a big man to learn that to have an opportunity to score you have to get in there but time and again Andy would be seen labouring somewhere around the D.

After watching him for West Ham again yesterday he seemed the same infuriating player he always was with us, absolutely no 2nd gear when the cross was about to played, no anticipation and constantly barracking his team-mates when they failed to provide him with a chance.

I partially agree with this, but want to take it one step further.  Sometimes, he was nowhere near the goal when we got into a good crossing position and therefore had no chance of getting on the end of it, which is simply ridiculous for someone bought to get onto the end of crosses. 

In addition to this poor positioning though, he also showed very little hunger and desire to attack the ball when he was in a good position to finish.  I remember several occasions when Downing in particular would swing a good driven cross in, but Andy was on his heels around the edge of the box instead of busting ass to get in front of his marker and turn the ball into the net.  Downing received an awful lot of unfair criticism last year for not getting any assists, but it wasn't because he wasn't playing in good balls.  A large part of it was that our CF was not making enough of an effort to get onto the end of them!!

Some people here don't seem to remember that for all his skill at heading balls, his ability to get to the end of crosses is still pretty close to non-existant. There was a whole lot of debate and  rage about how he would be caught standing on his heels like a statue in about 9 of every 10 crosses made. I'd rather have a more mobile striker that's also good at heading, someone that'll throw himself flying at crosses like Falcao or Inzaghi. A pure number 9 in that mould would help us more than the lumbering collosus that Andy was in the box.

Exactly the point I was trying to make and you beat me to the punch!! 

Don't forget Roger Hunt,he did not do too bad 245 goals in 401 matches and my hero Billy Liddell,he knew how to put the ball in the net.

My Dad's hero!!

But in my eye's and what I saw Rushie is still the best ever!!

Lucky that other tit  who started that other thread was banned, had my full hunting gear out and was frothing at the mouth to lay into that f**ker!!

Said it the other week regarding Carroll, I think he'll become a good player when he hits around 26/27 and gets used to using his body weight and aggressiveness in the box, a bit like ol' Dunc did over at the pit.

I partially agree with this, but want to take it one step further.  Sometimes, he was nowhere near the goal when we got into a good crossing position and therefore had no chance of getting on the end of it, which is simply ridiculous for someone bought to get onto the end of crosses. 

In addition to this poor positioning though, he also showed very little hunger and desire to attack the ball when he was in a good position to finish.  I remember several occasions when Downing in particular would swing a good driven cross in, but Andy was on his heels around the edge of the box instead of busting ass to get in front of his marker and turn the ball into the net.  Downing received an awful lot of unfair criticism last year for not getting any assists, but it wasn't because he wasn't playing in good balls.  A large part of it was that our CF was not making enough of an effort to get onto the end of them!!

Exactly the point I was trying to make and you beat me to the punch!! 

Totally agree with you Harry, made the same point countless times in the match threads when Andy was involved. Drove me completely crazy to watch it and even now don't understand how he can't change that aspect of his game, it's so obvious.