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      The huge Anfield problem

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      Alastair
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      Re: The huge Anfield problem
      Reply #46: Nov 04, 2008 07:16:14 pm
      Umm, im with the general sale crowd im afraid. There is too much in proportion on sale in terms of season tickets. Whilst I've been to Anfield 3 times this season, I've been to see my local team (Cardiff City) about 10 times all the time on general sale and the queues and anticipation is really exciting, yes they never sellout game on game but the people there want to be there, they are there to make noise, to get behind the players, not because they happen to have tickets and can go every other weekend. Unfortunately its not something that can be reversed, however when we go away the fans are great, they outsung spurs fans at White Hart Lane.
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      Reply #47: Nov 05, 2008 01:42:06 am
      Anfield full of knobends tonight.  If anything the RTK campaign has made it worse by moving some in to a small section of the Kop.

      Either way, the 2,000 Atletico fans put the 42,000 Liverpool fans to shame.  I thought an atmosphere couldn't have been worse than Pompey but I was wrong.   The OOT debate doesn't even need to be re-ignited either because pretty much the entire shame can be heaped on my fellow scousers.

      I said I'd post a hall of shame of some of the useless F***ing supporters. There will be a few on here tomorrow.

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      Reply #48: Nov 05, 2008 01:44:27 am
      I said I'd post a hall of shame of some of the useless F***ing supporters. There will be a few on here tomorrow.

      I hope your picture is there :D

      On second thoughts, it doesn't seem like now is the right time to joke with JD.
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      Reply #49: Nov 05, 2008 02:06:04 am
      Either way, the 2,000 Atletico fans put the 42,000 Liverpool fans to shame. 

      Without any doubt at all!! It was embarrassing to put it lightly.
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      Reply #50: Nov 05, 2008 02:21:33 am
      Even on the box it sounded as if the Athletico fans were louder. The only time you could hear the noise from our fans was when a shot was wide or saved or a refereeing decision was being booed.
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      Reply #51: Nov 05, 2008 02:22:54 am
      Woeful. I thought my sound was turned down at first but it was full blast. Then i thought our fans were singing round the stadium but it ended up being there's! Disgusting support, almost as though they thought the players were meant to cheer them on and not the other way round.
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      Reply #52: Nov 05, 2008 10:57:06 am
      Being honest now, it's not just the fans, the F***ing stewards on the kop don't help, every league game has been a massive improvement since RTK started, unfortunately it seems that tw*t Ged Poynton doesn't agree, with head stewards telling fans to constantly sit down. I would say a lot of season ticket holders now can't be arsed with having stewards badgering them to sit down.

      Add the fact that a certain head steward on the kop has asked some of the lads to provide fire certificates for the massive flags at the front.

      Some people at Anfield and the F***ing council won't be happy until we're sat like the good little people who go to Wimbledon.

      Rather than being the back two blocks, that singing section, should be the middle two front blocks, ley it spread back like the old kop.
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      Reply #53: Nov 05, 2008 11:14:16 am
      There was a decent amount of noise on our behalf last night.  I wouldn't say it was woeful, but mind you, I was sitting just underneath where it all happens.

      The thing is, there are some people that love to sing - but are simply sitting in the wrong block or possibly even stand.  And vice versa.

      I just can't see this situation getting any better anytime soon.
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      Reply #54: Nov 05, 2008 11:15:58 am
      There was a decent amount of noise on our behalf last night.  I wouldn't say it was woeful, but mind you, I was sitting just underneath where it all happens.

      I heard the Kop twice in 90 minutes.
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      Reply #55: Nov 05, 2008 11:19:49 am
      I heard the Kop twice in 90 minutes.

      Were you sitting in the Anfield Road end? 

      Cos' I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't hear the Kop at all, not with the Atletico fans in full flow!
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      Reply #56: Nov 05, 2008 12:58:36 pm
      I was in the Kop, They sang quite loudly for all of the first 15 minutes and then barely nothing. In block 104, row 33 most of them couldn't be arsed singing YNWA, quite embarrassing to say the least. Its a good job the players know the game lasts for 90 minutes(although its a good job the ref thought the game lasted 95 minutes!) and not 15!
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      Reply #58: Nov 05, 2008 04:34:45 pm
      I heard the Kop twice in 90 minutes.

      I thought that they had been told not too sing it was that quiet  :o
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      Reply #59: Nov 05, 2008 05:08:21 pm
      last night was pathetic it was like the usuall league atmosphere.its as if everyone just turns up expecting to be entertained,its just embarrassing to be honest.the only time the atmosphere is any good in Europe is in the knock out stages!
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      Reply #60: Nov 05, 2008 05:15:50 pm
      Liverpool is going to lose it's reputation as one of best set of supporters and best atmosphere if we only show it on European knockout stage games and thats maximum 3 times a season.

      Shocking atmosphere last night. Really shocking.
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      Reply #61: Nov 05, 2008 06:35:43 pm
      Instead of discussing how sh*te the atmosphere was again can we come up with any ideas how it could improve? People will blame ooters and to a degree maybe right but theres plenty of local lads go to these games and do f**k all to help the atmosphere. In my view the reputation of Anfield is living off the past and that is also part of the problem as it is world famous for being the best atmosphere in the world therefore every tom dick and harry wants to get there at some stage to sample it. People with no real passion for Liverpool maybe not even football but want to go so they can tell people they were there.

      Other people go to be entertained by the Kop. Whats that about? You go the game to support the team first and foremost not to be serenaded by the kop. Other people Ive seen at games are groups like stag parties who are on the piss in Liverpool for the weekend and decide theyll get tickets for Anfield while they are there. They then proceed to ring mates at home during the game or do anything but get involved in the match in front of them

      Soloutions? Tough one but best hope for me is to limit the tickets going to supporters clubs and make it harder to book more then one ticket by credit card. If you book regular by credit card be allowed book 3 at most. First time booking and 1 only ticket allowed. Make more tickets available on sale at Anfield so local people can get in first to get tickets. This way you have a chance of a group of mates from the area who are hardened reds sit together and help generate a better atmosphere 

      Sadly I cant see my ideas ever being acted on
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      Reply #62: Nov 05, 2008 06:48:16 pm
      Instead of discussing how sh*te the atmosphere was again can we come up with any ideas how it could improve? People will blame ooters and to a degree maybe right but theres plenty of local lads go to these games and do f**k all to help the atmosphere. In my view the reputation of Anfield is living off the past and that is also part of the problem as it is world famous for being the best atmosphere in the world therefore every tom dick and harry wants to get there at some stage to sample it. People with no real passion for Liverpool maybe not even football but want to go so they can tell people they were there.

      Other people go to be entertained by the Kop. Whats that about? You go the game to support the team first and foremost not to be serenaded by the kop. Other people Ive seen at games are groups like stag parties who are on the piss in Liverpool for the weekend and decide theyll get tickets for Anfield while they are there. They then proceed to ring mates at home during the game or do anything but get involved in the match in front of them

      Soloutions? Tough one but best hope for me is to limit the tickets going to supporters clubs and make it harder to book more then one ticket by credit card. If you book regular by credit card be allowed book 3 at most. First time booking and 1 only ticket allowed. Make more tickets available on sale at Anfield so local people can get in first to get tickets. This way you have a chance of a group of mates from the area who are hardened reds sit together and help generate a better atmosphere 

      Sadly I cant see my ideas ever being acted on

      Sadly, they won't. Money is money, whether the customer is singing or not.

      Plus fact, there's no real way to filter through the people who would sing.

      Best idea would be to make the entire stadium a singing section and have various 'instructors' knocking about in each stand. No hired help, that'd be too Chelsea. Fans from the singing block, a few of them grouped together in an effort to drive everyone else around them to voice their support. Not to force them, but to offer a bit more of a stereo sound rather than it all coming from one of our 4 'speakers.'
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      Reply #63: Nov 05, 2008 06:55:40 pm
      Its not only about singing CRK people sit on there arse not even shouting or clapping unless we score. I mean if I see Masch for example chasing back 30 yards and smashing a tackle in im well out of my seat shouting praise at him or a Xabi pass to feet from 40 yards gets ye lifted out of the seat to show appreciation. Or even to shout at one of our lads to up his game if they arent playing well and too many in Anfield arent doing that. Singing s only part of it mate
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      Reply #64: Nov 05, 2008 07:26:15 pm
      As an ooter I've noticed a gradual decline shortly after the kop was made an all seater, the so called 'tourists' would come along to say the've been there and done that taking up the seats of the crowd go'ers.
      Even yesterday in Anfield road (lower) there was a couple of clusters where fans were trying to rally the crowd on but it was the same old txting and chatting instead of getting behind the team, dont even mention the bloody commercialisation where ITV would rather have that champions league music instead of YNWA prior to kick off!
      At least last night was an improvement over the Standard Liege game hich was the worst I've ever witnessed, but its still far from the anfield of old......
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      Reply #65: Nov 07, 2008 08:50:11 pm
      Its not only about singing CRK people sit on there arse not even shouting or clapping unless we score. I mean if I see Masch for example chasing back 30 yards and smashing a tackle in im well out of my seat shouting praise at him or a Xabi pass to feet from 40 yards gets ye lifted out of the seat to show appreciation. Or even to shout at one of our lads to up his game if they arent playing well and too many in Anfield arent doing that. Singing s only part of it mate

      I'm so glad its not just me doing those things!!
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      Reply #66: Nov 07, 2008 08:54:27 pm
      This thread appears to be turning in the direction of laying the blame on non-locals.

      Not the case.  Some of my fellow scousers are amongst the worst culprits in this disaster.  It's as if once you get over a certain age then it's expected of you to moan at the players all game - how they are 'not as good as in my day' etc etc.


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      Reply #67: Nov 07, 2008 09:21:01 pm
      interesting topic JD

      i was at the game last Tuesday me first for over  a year for various reasons i wont bore you with. Me and a mate had 500 mile round trip at mega cost so yes we are oot'ers but i will tell you all this much

      we sang our heads off for nearly the whole game , joining in every effort made by those around us. We were in Block 206 and its fair to say we were in the minority. Some other mates in the LC said it was a flat atmosphere and the Kop only seemed to get going sporadically

      Either way we were both hoarse on the way home and when we come back on Nov 26 or the Marseille game if we are lucky enough to get the same tickets we will sing our nuts ff all over again

      its not a theatre its a bloody football ground  the best in the world i am 40 yrs old and get to Anfield only occasionally but take the time to learn all the songs as best i can...me wife thinks im a sad tw*t but who cares

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      Reply #68: Nov 07, 2008 09:32:24 pm
      You're spot on.  It's easy for some ppl to blame out of towners - in fact I've probably blamed them myself in the past.  But as the atmosphere gets progressively worse you can refine your judgements. 

      Some fans are just miserable gets and some fans simply don't know the words to the songs.  The second case is easily sorted if they can be arsed and therefore possibly the worst sin?

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