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      Reslivo
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      "Big Team" squad values
      Jan 08, 2009 04:18:55 am
      Well, well, well ...

      You'd expect the squad with the highest value to be top of the League, wouldn't you? After all, why pay all that money for players if they can't perform?

      #     Team                            Value
      #1 - Chelsea FC                    €386.7m / ~£380.4m
      #2 - Manchester United FC    €386.2m / ~£380m
      #3 - Liverpool FC                  €301.05m / ~£297m
      #4 - Arsenal FC                    €246.85m / ~£242.5m

      And just for the crack, let's put Villa and Everton in:

      #5 - Everton FC                   €150.93m / ~£147.5m
      #6 - Aston Villa FC               €132.5m / ~£130m

      http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/wettbewerb/GB1/premier-league/uebersicht/startseite.html


      Funny, ain't it? :laugh:


      Got bored and had a look at the other "European Titans", too:

             
      #1 - FC Barcelona                 €396.7m / ~£391m   
      #2 - Real Madrid CF               €371m / ~£367m
      #3 - Internazionale Milan       €343.1m / ~£339.5m
      #4 - AC Milan                        €328.9 / ~£325.8m
      « Last Edit: Jan 08, 2009 04:44:35 am by Reslivo »
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #1: Jan 08, 2009 07:04:03 am
      So RAFA is not doing a bad job after all,it makes it more important that the owners get his contract sorted out pronto.
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #2: Jan 08, 2009 09:13:18 am
      £83m behind Manure - that's 2/3 world class players.  And they're behind us?
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #3: Jan 08, 2009 11:54:14 am
      You'd think it would be impossible to compete with two teams who each have squads worth over £80 million more than ours, but it just goes to show that football is much more complicated than that! I've stated in the past that money is important - it's a crucial part of building a quality team - but there is more to the game than that!

      Chelsea are a great example of money being a part of success, but not a guarantee of it. When you put together a squad of famous, big-named (and, more often than not, extremely egotistical) players, they can play some wonderful football. When everything was going their way, Chelsea were close to unbeatable. However, knock their confidence a bit, a few poor results, and the egos clash and the results go out of the window.

      Aside from big names, of which we have a few, Liverpool has a tremendous spirit, and players rarely clash on or off the pitch. This has shown this season, with our great comebacks and grinding out of results, and I hope our battling, never-say-die will to win is rewarded at the end of the season with the silverware we merit.
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #4: Jan 08, 2009 01:03:59 pm
      Moved this in to The Kop board.

      Interesting valuations there on some of our players.

      Pepe valued at 14.4 million
      Carra at 17 million
      Gerrard at 43 million
      Pennant at 8 million
      Torres at 38 million
      Insua at 560,000 ?
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #5: Jan 08, 2009 01:04:51 pm
      Also it ranks Voronin as £6 million.
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      Reply #6: Jan 08, 2009 01:38:22 pm
      Just proves all this money talk is a load of sh*te!

      What you need is a good manager and a mix of stars and those prepared to graft.

      Those allstar type teams always f**k-up when they come up against a team prepared to fight.

      I bet none of the German teams are prepared to pay six million for soft lad Voronin are they!
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      Reply #7: Jan 08, 2009 02:40:42 pm
      Moved this in to The Kop board.

      Interesting valuations there on some of our players.

      Pepe valued at 14.4 million
      Carra at 17 million
      Gerrard at 43 million
      Pennant at 8 million
      Torres at 38 million
      Insua at 560,000 ?

      what ? how can insua be worth that little are you sure it wasnt 5,600,000 because there has always been teams intrested in him and he has always performed well for us in the reserves and its not like he plays poor when he plays for argentina i think its safe to say if we were to ever sell insua ( which i hope we dont) we will get alot more money than this !
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      Reply #8: Jan 08, 2009 04:16:43 pm
      what ? how can insua be worth that little are you sure it wasnt 5,600,000 because there has always been teams intrested in him and he has always performed well for us in the reserves and its not like he plays poor when he plays for argentina i think its safe to say if we were to ever sell insua ( which i hope we dont) we will get alot more money than this !

      He's only just begun to get games for us - a player's valuation won't go up if he isn't consistent in his performances.

      As he's only had 7 games so far, there's no telling whether or not he is consistent.

      Plus he's only 19.
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      Reply #9: Jan 08, 2009 04:20:41 pm
      He's only just begun to get games for us - a player's valuation won't go up if he isn't consistent in his performances.

      As he's only had 7 games so far, there's no telling whether or not he is consistent.

      Plus he's only 19.
      usually being younger increases your value i can think of plenty of 19 year olds that would be worth a lot more and it doesnt matter how many games hes had with us hes proven his quality with argentina and boca already
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      Reply #10: Jan 08, 2009 04:27:53 pm
      usually being younger increases your value i can think of plenty of 19 year olds that would be worth a lot more and it doesnt matter how many games hes had with us hes proven his quality with argentina and boca already

      That doesn't matter. Boca Juniors and Argentina U19's are hardly high-profile sides.

      You have to keep in mind that as much as we know he's a quality left-back, others don't - so his valuation will not be high just yet.

      Plus, he's mostly been in the reserves with us, and other teams will be saying, "they won't ask for that much for him then".

      Rafa would probably stick a £15m price-tag on him anyway if clubs were interested.
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #11: Jan 08, 2009 04:43:36 pm
      #1 - FC Barcelona                 €396.7m / ~£391m   
      #2 - Real Madrid CF               €371m / ~£367m

      Haha, always thought Real Madrid had the highest value, but it's that Catalonian arse team haha ;D (not to insult fans of Barca, but I just hate both these teams; I hate Barca as much as Real, I prefer Villarreal (divide the values of Barca and Real by two or more and you have the value of Villarreal I guess)
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #12: Jan 08, 2009 04:44:34 pm
      Well, well, well. In previous years we've finished behind the likes of United and Chelsea, the excuse is always "we can't compete with their money" which is obviously sh*te because we can. I've always said I don't believe money as a viable excuse, been slaughtered for saying such things by certain members on here.

      Money doesn't win football matches, FACT.
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      Reply #13: Jan 08, 2009 04:49:12 pm
      Well, well, well. In previous years we've finished behind the likes of United and Chelsea, the excuse is always "we can't compete with their money" which is obviously sh*te because we can. I've always said I don't believe money as a viable excuse, been slaughtered for saying such things by certain members on here.

      Money doesn't win football matches, FACT.


      Very true, especially here in the Netherlands. Ajax has by far the highest squad value, but they often play as sh*te... but not as sh*te as PiSVee (PSV) or Feijenooit (Feyenoord)
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #14: Jan 08, 2009 04:56:03 pm
      Money doesn't win football matches, FACT.

      Ex-player Richard Money says "You made me sad DLS, I always tried my best"

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      Reply #15: Jan 08, 2009 04:56:46 pm
      be interresting to compare the value of the top 4 teams in each league, as prem always does well CL is that the money? well barca are ahead of us in that repect. Is it the top managers we have, as much as i hate SAF u gotta admit hes a good manger, same with Arsene n Big Phil. I reckon its the way we play the game, fast n physical, to simplfiy, the italeins cant keep up, n the spainash just get pushed off the ball. the only other compareable team in europe is bayern Muinch but id doubt their more than £200 million
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      Reply #16: Jan 08, 2009 05:19:39 pm
      Rafa is doing a fantastic job building a winning team . we got the right players at lfc , the understanding on and of the pitch is just brilliant . Players just need more games , we havent seen the best of these guys yet but we soon will , so keep your heads up and stand proud and let rafa bring home the silverware cos its time to shine , got the feeling glory days are comming back to anfield . long live the mighty reds
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      Reply #17: Jan 08, 2009 05:21:23 pm
      Ex-player Richard Money says "You made me sad DLS, I always tried my best"



      During all 17 games eh Dicky?
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      Reply #18: Jan 08, 2009 05:32:57 pm
      some i agree with some i don't i personally like to see the young lads coming through and doin well look at Gerrard and carra they cost us nowt yet they are 2 of our most consistant performers money can buy the best but it don't guarantee they gunna perform we seen it time and again over the years but then you look at what players like Alonso and Pepe have cost us and its a drop in the ocean compared to some
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #19: Jan 08, 2009 06:28:59 pm
      That doesn't matter. Boca Juniors and Argentina U19's are hardly high-profile sides.

      Tell that to Maradona and the thousands of Boca fans. One of the biggest teams in Argentina Res!
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      Reply #20: Jan 08, 2009 10:05:50 pm
      Tell that to Maradona and the thousands of Boca fans. One of the biggest teams in Argentina Res!
      got there before me mate
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      Reply #21: Jan 08, 2009 11:11:57 pm
      Hardly as prolific as Liverpool though, are they?
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #22: Jan 08, 2009 11:21:33 pm
      Hardly as prolific as Liverpool though, are they?

      In terms of domestic football they are.
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      Reply #23: Jan 08, 2009 11:26:33 pm
      Hardly as prolific as Liverpool though, are they?

      maybe not as prolific, but boca are definitely high profile, cant deny that.  plus they've produced some great players, and possibly the greatest of them all.  hands up for maradona (pun intended!)
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #24: Jan 09, 2009 11:19:10 am
      Well, well, well. In previous years we've finished behind the likes of United and Chelsea, the excuse is always "we can't compete with their money" which is obviously sh*te because we can. I've always said I don't believe money as a viable excuse, been slaughtered for saying such things by certain members on here.

      Money doesn't win football matches, FACT.


      I was thinking about this post, and hope you weren't referring to me in the bit I've highlighted. I've looked back at the thread I think you were talking about, (http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=9315.msg171328#msg171328) and don't think anyone was "slaughtering" you on it, it was for the most part an excellent discussion on the progress of the team.

      Anyway, I stand firm in my beliefs that money is a part of a team's evolution, but far from the sole reason for their success. Interesting to note however is the four teams with the biggest squad value are those who finish the majority of the time at the top of the table and progress the furthest in most competitions. That being said, Rafa is the proof that without a world-class manager deciding where the money should go, then the cash will indeed take you nowhere (Newcastle Utd anyone?).

      Just wanted to clear that up!
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      Reply #25: Jan 09, 2009 03:33:12 pm
      Ayrton I wasn't referring to anybody in particular mate, nor any thread in particular.

      As I keep saying money doesn't buy you success. I don't for one minute believe that our league failures in recent years are down to money, which some people claim. The most constant arguement is "how can we compete with Chelsea and United's finances." Well I expect us to compete like we are now and the reason we're competing this year is because we're being consistant which is what we haven't been of late. Money doesn't buy consistantcy.

      If you look at our big money transfers this year (the year we are on top) have been two of our most disappointing players. Keane for 20 million was claimed by so many to be overpriced and we've seen in Dossena that 7 million was a bit much. Another of our disappointing players of late has been Ryan Babel, another 10 million plus buy. It just goes to show how misleading a price tag can be. A price tag is the selling club's valuation of a player and the buying club is prepapred to meet, it doesn't mean how good a player is which is why I don't believe it's anything to do with money.

      Money can buy players like Shevchenko, Veron, Cech, Wiltord and so on but that doesn't mean they're going to be worth that money. As for world class managers well that's what Juande Ramos is claimed to be and he had money to spend. He spent over the odds on Modric, Gomes, Bentley, Woodgate, Pavly...Russian forward and a few others.

      Just to wrap up, it takes a lot more than an open cheque book to get success which when all is going well on the pitch at Anfield, Liverpool fans agree with but when we see our club failing to win titles and stick is aimed at our manager and players the wall is built up and excuses about money come to affect. Again, this isn't aimed at you personally ayrton just a generalisation of so many Liverpool fans.
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      cost of the prem league squads
      Reply #26: Feb 03, 2010 06:00:27 pm
      Thought I would start a topic on the initial cost of players in current prem league sqauds.

      Although wages will impact the clubs finances, its too hard to find that info out, but nevertheless as accurately as I could I have started it off.

      Feel free to add or correct. 


      Liverpool

      torres   20.2
      aquilani   20
      mascherano   18.6
      johnson   17.5
      babel   11.5
      kuyt   9
      riera   8
      leiva   6.75
      skrtel   6.5
      reina   6
      agger   5.8
      benayoun   5
      cavilieri   4
      ngog   1.5
      kyrgiakos   1.5
      insua   
      carragher   free
      gerrard   free
      aurellio   free
      spearing
      cavilieri
      darby
      el zhar
      degen
      maxi
      pacheco




      ========================


      Chelsea

      essien   24.4
      drogba   24
      carvallo   19.85
      zhirkov   18
      bosingwa   16.3
      mikel   16
      anelka   15
      malouda   13.5
      ferreira   13.2
      lampard   11
      ivanovic   9.7
      kalou   9
      j cole   6.6
      deco   8
      cech   7
      beletti   5.5
      a cole   5
      sturridge   3.5
      terry   free
      ballack   free
      alex   free

      ====================================


      man utd

      ferdinand   29.1
      berbatov   23.4
      anderson   20.4
      rooney   20
      nani   17.3
      hargreaves   17
      valencia   16
      carrick   14
      vidic   7
      evra   5
      park   4
      van der sar   2
         
      owen   free
      brown   free
      scholes   free
      giggs   free
      neville   free
      evans   free
      fletcher   free
      o'shea   free
      simpson   free
      rafael   
      fabio    
      gibson   
      kuszczak   
      de laet   
      welbeck
      macheda




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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #27: Feb 03, 2010 06:23:51 pm
      Merged your post with mine that I started a year ago.

      Would say use search, but I tried it, and nothing came up for me.

      FYI, Aquilani wasn't £20m.
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      Reply #28: Feb 04, 2010 02:29:52 am
      There are two different themes here, the thread I started was more concerned with what clubs have actually paid out for players, rather than what the squad is worth, or valued at.   

      The skill of a manager is surely to buy cheap and then increase the value of a player/squad

      I cant be positive of all the prices paid for players as often they are estimated/undisclosed

      Man City

      tevez             47
      robinho           32.5
      adeybayor   25
      lescott              22
      santa cruz     18
      de jong             16
      toure              15
      bellamy              14
      barry               12
      bridge              10
      wright-philips     8.5
      zabaletta     6.45
      given               7
      kompany            6
      petrov             4.7
      garido             1.5
      richards     free
      ireland        free
      onuoha           free
      sylvinho     free
      ibrahim             free
      boyata   
      viera   
      taylor   
      benjani   


      I am trying to research the cost of all the squads in the prem league.

      Obviously clubs have a big advantage when they have more free players who they have developed.

      by the way how much did aqua cost?
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      Reply #29: Feb 05, 2010 05:57:19 am
      Arsenal


      arshavin   16.5
      nasri             12.5
      vermaelen   12
      hleb              10
      sagna              8
      eduardo       8
      rosicky       6.8
      walcott      5
      ramsey          4.8
      denilson   3.5
      van persie   3.5
      diaby              3
      song           2.5
      fabianski   2
      eboue          1.5
      silvestre   0.75
      senderos   0.5
      almunia    0.5
      clichy       0.25
      fabregas   free
      wilshire   free
      bendtner   free
      traore   
      gibbs   
      gallas   
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      Reply #30: Feb 11, 2010 02:07:35 pm
      Aston Villa


      milner          13.35
      a young       11.74
      downing       11.57
      rio coker        11.12
      delph             9.4
      davies             8.9
      cuellar            8.9
      petrov            8.9
      warnock         8.01
      dunne            6.05
      l young           5.69
      sidwell            5.6
      collins             5.07   
      heskey            3.29
      beye               2.58
      friedel             2.22
      agbonlahor       free
      delfouneso       free
      salifou              free
      albrighton         free
      carew
      shorey





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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #31: Feb 11, 2010 02:35:34 pm
      Everton

      fellaini     16.46
      yakubu         14.68
      bilyaletdinov   8.9
      baines            6.67
      heitinga   6.05
      distin             5.78
      jagielka     5.34
      neville       4.71
      yobo           4.18
      howard          3.73
      arteta            2.49
      pienaar           2.44
      cahill              1.95
      rodwell            free
      hibbert             free
      anichebe   free
      vaughan         free
      donovan   
      osman   
      saha   
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #32: Feb 15, 2010 10:20:45 pm
      Slight error there, since when have Everton and Man City been big teams?
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #33: Feb 15, 2010 10:31:11 pm
      Slight error there, since when have Everton and Man City been big teams?

      Yeah, if you are doing Everton then you better do the Liverpool Reserves as well!
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #34: Feb 20, 2010 03:23:50 am
      Yeah, if you are doing Everton then you better do the Liverpool Reserves as well!

      F**k that. AFC Liverpool deserve a shout in that case as well!

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