"Big Team" squad values

Well, well, well ...

You'd expect the squad with the highest value to be top of the League, wouldn't you? After all, why pay all that money for players if they can't perform?

#     Team                            Value
#1 - Chelsea FC                    €386.7m / ~£380.4m
#2 - Manchester United FC    €386.2m / ~£380m
#3 - Liverpool FC                  €301.05m / ~£297m
#4 - Arsenal FC                    €246.85m / ~£242.5m

And just for the crack, let's put Villa and Everton in:

#5 - Everton FC                   €150.93m / ~£147.5m
#6 - Aston Villa FC               €132.5m / ~£130m

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/wettbewerb/GB1/premier-league/uebersicht/startseite.html


Funny, ain't it?


Got bored and had a look at the other "European Titans", too:

       
#1 - FC Barcelona                 €396.7m / ~£391m   
#2 - Real Madrid CF               €371m / ~£367m
#3 - Internazionale Milan       €343.1m / ~£339.5m
#4 - AC Milan                        €328.9 / ~£325.8m

So RAFA is not doing a bad job after all,it makes it more important that the owners get his contract sorted out pronto.

£83m behind Manure - that's 2/3 world class players.  And they're behind us?

You'd think it would be impossible to compete with two teams who each have squads worth over £80 million more than ours, but it just goes to show that football is much more complicated than that! I've stated in the past that money is important - it's a crucial part of building a quality team - but there is more to the game than that!

Chelsea are a great example of money being a part of success, but not a guarantee of it. When you put together a squad of famous, big-named (and, more often than not, extremely egotistical) players, they can play some wonderful football. When everything was going their way, Chelsea were close to unbeatable. However, knock their confidence a bit, a few poor results, and the egos clash and the results go out of the window.

Aside from big names, of which we have a few, Liverpool has a tremendous spirit, and players rarely clash on or off the pitch. This has shown this season, with our great comebacks and grinding out of results, and I hope our battling, never-say-die will to win is rewarded at the end of the season with the silverware we merit.

Moved this in to The Kop board.

Interesting valuations there on some of our players.

Pepe valued at 14.4 million
Carra at 17 million
Gerrard at 43 million
Pennant at 8 million
Torres at 38 million
Insua at 560,000 ?

Also it ranks Voronin as £6 million.

Just proves all this money talk is a load of sh*te!

What you need is a good manager and a mix of stars and those prepared to graft.

Those allstar type teams always F**k-up when they come up against a team prepared to fight.

I bet none of the German teams are prepared to pay six million for soft lad Voronin are they!

Moved this in to The Kop board.

Interesting valuations there on some of our players.

Pepe valued at 14.4 million
Carra at 17 million
Gerrard at 43 million
Pennant at 8 million
Torres at 38 million
Insua at 560,000 ?

what ? how can insua be worth that little are you sure it wasnt 5,600,000 because there has always been teams intrested in him and he has always performed well for us in the reserves and its not like he plays poor when he plays for argentina i think its safe to say if we were to ever sell insua ( which i hope we dont) we will get alot more money than this !

what ? how can insua be worth that little are you sure it wasnt 5,600,000 because there has always been teams intrested in him and he has always performed well for us in the reserves and its not like he plays poor when he plays for argentina i think its safe to say if we were to ever sell insua ( which i hope we dont) we will get alot more money than this !

He's only just begun to get games for us - a player's valuation won't go up if he isn't consistent in his performances.

As he's only had 7 games so far, there's no telling whether or not he is consistent.

Plus he's only 19.

He's only just begun to get games for us - a player's valuation won't go up if he isn't consistent in his performances.

As he's only had 7 games so far, there's no telling whether or not he is consistent.

Plus he's only 19.

usually being younger increases your value i can think of plenty of 19 year olds that would be worth a lot more and it doesnt matter how many games hes had with us hes proven his quality with argentina and boca already

usually being younger increases your value i can think of plenty of 19 year olds that would be worth a lot more and it doesnt matter how many games hes had with us hes proven his quality with argentina and boca already

That doesn't matter. Boca Juniors and Argentina U19's are hardly high-profile sides.

You have to keep in mind that as much as we know he's a quality left-back, others don't - so his valuation will not be high just yet.

Plus, he's mostly been in the reserves with us, and other teams will be saying, "they won't ask for that much for him then".

Rafa would probably stick a £15m price-tag on him anyway if clubs were interested.

#1 - FC Barcelona                 €396.7m / ~£391m   
#2 - Real Madrid CF               €371m / ~£367m

Haha, always thought Real Madrid had the highest value, but it's that Catalonian arse team haha (not to insult fans of Barca, but I just hate both these teams; I hate Barca as much as Real, I prefer Villarreal (divide the values of Barca and Real by two or more and you have the value of Villarreal I guess)

Well, well, well. In previous years we've finished behind the likes of United and Chelsea, the excuse is always "we can't compete with their money" which is obviously sh*te because we can. I've always said I don't believe money as a viable excuse, been slaughtered for saying such things by certain members on here.

Money doesn't win football matches, FACT.

Well, well, well. In previous years we've finished behind the likes of United and Chelsea, the excuse is always "we can't compete with their money" which is obviously sh*te because we can. I've always said I don't believe money as a viable excuse, been slaughtered for saying such things by certain members on here.

Money doesn't win football matches, FACT.

Very true, especially here in the Netherlands. Ajax has by far the highest squad value, but they often play as sh*te... but not as sh*te as PiSVee (PSV) or Feijenooit (Feyenoord)

Money doesn't win football matches, FACT.

Ex-player Richard Money says "You made me sad DLS, I always tried my best"

be interresting to compare the value of the top 4 teams in each league, as prem always does well CL is that the money? well barca are ahead of us in that repect. Is it the top managers we have, as much as i hate SAF u gotta admit hes a good manger, same with Arsene n Big Phil. I reckon its the way we play the game, fast n physical, to simplfiy, the italeins cant keep up, n the spainash just get pushed off the ball. the only other compareable team in europe is bayern Muinch but id doubt their more than £200 million

Rafa is doing a fantastic job building a winning team . we got the right players at lfc , the understanding on and of the pitch is just brilliant . Players just need more games , we havent seen the best of these guys yet but we soon will , so keep your heads up and stand proud and let rafa bring home the silverware cos its time to shine , got the feeling glory days are comming back to anfield . long live the mighty reds

Ex-player Richard Money says "You made me sad DLS, I always tried my best"

During all 17 games eh Dicky?

some i agree with some i don't i personally like to see the young lads coming through and doin well look at Gerrard and carra they cost us nowt yet they are 2 of our most consistant performers money can buy the best but it don't guarantee they gunna perform we seen it time and again over the years but then you look at what players like Alonso and Pepe have cost us and its a drop in the ocean compared to some

That doesn't matter. Boca Juniors and Argentina U19's are hardly high-profile sides.

Tell that to Maradona and the thousands of Boca fans. One of the biggest teams in Argentina Res!

Tell that to Maradona and the thousands of Boca fans. One of the biggest teams in Argentina Res!

got there before me mate

Hardly as prolific as Liverpool though, are they?

Hardly as prolific as Liverpool though, are they?

In terms of domestic football they are.

Hardly as prolific as Liverpool though, are they?

maybe not as prolific, but boca are definitely high profile, cant deny that.  plus they've produced some great players, and possibly the greatest of them all.  hands up for maradona (pun intended!)

Well, well, well. In previous years we've finished behind the likes of United and Chelsea, the excuse is always "we can't compete with their money" which is obviously sh*te because we can. I've always said I don't believe money as a viable excuse, been slaughtered for saying such things by certain members on here.

Money doesn't win football matches, FACT.

I was thinking about this post, and hope you weren't referring to me in the bit I've highlighted. I've looked back at the thread I think you were talking about, (http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=9315.msg171328#msg171328) and don't think anyone was "slaughtering" you on it, it was for the most part an excellent discussion on the progress of the team.

Anyway, I stand firm in my beliefs that money is a part of a team's evolution, but far from the sole reason for their success. Interesting to note however is the four teams with the biggest squad value are those who finish the majority of the time at the top of the table and progress the furthest in most competitions. That being said, Rafa is the proof that without a world-class manager deciding where the money should go, then the cash will indeed take you nowhere (Newcastle Utd anyone?).

Just wanted to clear that up!

Ayrton I wasn't referring to anybody in particular mate, nor any thread in particular.

As I keep saying money doesn't buy you success. I don't for one minute believe that our league failures in recent years are down to money, which some people claim. The most constant arguement is "how can we compete with Chelsea and United's finances." Well I expect us to compete like we are now and the reason we're competing this year is because we're being consistant which is what we haven't been of late. Money doesn't buy consistantcy.

If you look at our big money transfers this year (the year we are on top) have been two of our most disappointing players. Keane for 20 million was claimed by so many to be overpriced and we've seen in Dossena that 7 million was a bit much. Another of our disappointing players of late has been Ryan Babel, another 10 million plus buy. It just goes to show how misleading a price tag can be. A price tag is the selling club's valuation of a player and the buying club is prepapred to meet, it doesn't mean how good a player is which is why I don't believe it's anything to do with money.

Money can buy players like Shevchenko, Veron, Cech, Wiltord and so on but that doesn't mean they're going to be worth that money. As for world class managers well that's what Juande Ramos is claimed to be and he had money to spend. He spent over the odds on Modric, Gomes, Bentley, Woodgate, Pavly...Russian forward and a few others.

Just to wrap up, it takes a lot more than an open cheque book to get success which when all is going well on the pitch at Anfield, Liverpool fans agree with but when we see our club failing to win titles and stick is aimed at our manager and players the wall is built up and excuses about money come to affect. Again, this isn't aimed at you personally ayrton just a generalisation of so many Liverpool fans.

Thought I would start a topic on the initial cost of players in current prem league sqauds.

Although wages will impact the clubs finances, its too hard to find that info out, but nevertheless as accurately as I could I have started it off.

Feel free to add or correct. 


Liverpool

torres   20.2
aquilani   20
mascherano   18.6
johnson   17.5
babel   11.5
kuyt   9
riera   8
leiva   6.75
skrtel   6.5
reina   6
agger   5.8
benayoun   5
cavilieri   4
ngog   1.5
kyrgiakos   1.5
insua   
carragher   free
gerrard   free
aurellio   free
spearing
cavilieri
darby
el zhar
degen
maxi
pacheco




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Chelsea

essien   24.4
drogba   24
carvallo   19.85
zhirkov   18
bosingwa   16.3
mikel   16
anelka   15
malouda   13.5
ferreira   13.2
lampard   11
ivanovic   9.7
kalou   9
j cole   6.6
deco   8
cech   7
beletti   5.5
a cole   5
sturridge   3.5
terry   free
ballack   free
alex   free

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man utd

ferdinand   29.1
berbatov   23.4
anderson   20.4
rooney   20
nani   17.3
hargreaves   17
valencia   16
carrick   14
vidic   7
evra   5
park   4
van der sar   2
   
owen   free
brown   free
scholes   free
giggs   free
neville   free
evans   free
fletcher   free
o'shea   free
simpson   free
rafael   
fabio    
gibson   
kuszczak   
de laet   
welbeck
macheda

Merged your post with mine that I started a year ago.

Would say use search, but I tried it, and nothing came up for me.

FYI, Aquilani wasn't £20m.

There are two different themes here, the thread I started was more concerned with what clubs have actually paid out for players, rather than what the squad is worth, or valued at.   

The skill of a manager is surely to buy cheap and then increase the value of a player/squad

I cant be positive of all the prices paid for players as often they are estimated/undisclosed

Man City

tevez             47
robinho           32.5
adeybayor   25
lescott              22
santa cruz     18
de jong             16
toure              15
bellamy              14
barry               12
bridge              10
wright-philips     8.5
zabaletta     6.45
given               7
kompany            6
petrov             4.7
garido             1.5
richards     free
ireland        free
onuoha           free
sylvinho     free
ibrahim             free
boyata   
viera   
taylor   
benjani   


I am trying to research the cost of all the squads in the prem league.

Obviously clubs have a big advantage when they have more free players who they have developed.

by the way how much did aqua cost?

Arsenal


arshavin   16.5
nasri             12.5
vermaelen   12
hleb              10
sagna              8
eduardo       8
rosicky       6.8
walcott      5
ramsey          4.8
denilson   3.5
van persie   3.5
diaby              3
song           2.5
fabianski   2
eboue          1.5
silvestre   0.75
senderos   0.5
almunia    0.5
clichy       0.25
fabregas   free
wilshire   free
bendtner   free
traore   
gibbs   
gallas   

Aston Villa


milner          13.35
a young       11.74
downing       11.57
rio coker        11.12
delph             9.4
davies             8.9
cuellar            8.9
petrov            8.9
warnock         8.01
dunne            6.05
l young           5.69
sidwell            5.6
collins             5.07   
heskey            3.29
beye               2.58
friedel             2.22
agbonlahor       free
delfouneso       free
salifou              free
albrighton         free
carew
shorey

Everton

fellaini     16.46
yakubu         14.68
bilyaletdinov   8.9
baines            6.67
heitinga   6.05
distin             5.78
jagielka     5.34
neville       4.71
yobo           4.18
howard          3.73
arteta            2.49
pienaar           2.44
cahill              1.95
rodwell            free
hibbert             free
anichebe   free
vaughan         free
donovan   
osman   
saha   

Slight error there, since when have Everton and Man City been big teams?

Slight error there, since when have Everton and Man City been big teams?

Yeah, if you are doing Everton then you better do the Liverpool Reserves as well!

Yeah, if you are doing Everton then you better do the Liverpool Reserves as well!

F**k that. AFC Liverpool deserve a shout in that case as well!