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      "Big Team" squad values

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      Ard Mhacha Red
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #23: Jan 08, 2009 11:26:33 pm
      Hardly as prolific as Liverpool though, are they?

      maybe not as prolific, but boca are definitely high profile, cant deny that.  plus they've produced some great players, and possibly the greatest of them all.  hands up for maradona (pun intended!)
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #24: Jan 09, 2009 11:19:10 am
      Well, well, well. In previous years we've finished behind the likes of United and Chelsea, the excuse is always "we can't compete with their money" which is obviously sh*te because we can. I've always said I don't believe money as a viable excuse, been slaughtered for saying such things by certain members on here.

      Money doesn't win football matches, FACT.


      I was thinking about this post, and hope you weren't referring to me in the bit I've highlighted. I've looked back at the thread I think you were talking about, (http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=9315.msg171328#msg171328) and don't think anyone was "slaughtering" you on it, it was for the most part an excellent discussion on the progress of the team.

      Anyway, I stand firm in my beliefs that money is a part of a team's evolution, but far from the sole reason for their success. Interesting to note however is the four teams with the biggest squad value are those who finish the majority of the time at the top of the table and progress the furthest in most competitions. That being said, Rafa is the proof that without a world-class manager deciding where the money should go, then the cash will indeed take you nowhere (Newcastle Utd anyone?).

      Just wanted to clear that up!
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #25: Jan 09, 2009 03:33:12 pm
      Ayrton I wasn't referring to anybody in particular mate, nor any thread in particular.

      As I keep saying money doesn't buy you success. I don't for one minute believe that our league failures in recent years are down to money, which some people claim. The most constant arguement is "how can we compete with Chelsea and United's finances." Well I expect us to compete like we are now and the reason we're competing this year is because we're being consistant which is what we haven't been of late. Money doesn't buy consistantcy.

      If you look at our big money transfers this year (the year we are on top) have been two of our most disappointing players. Keane for 20 million was claimed by so many to be overpriced and we've seen in Dossena that 7 million was a bit much. Another of our disappointing players of late has been Ryan Babel, another 10 million plus buy. It just goes to show how misleading a price tag can be. A price tag is the selling club's valuation of a player and the buying club is prepapred to meet, it doesn't mean how good a player is which is why I don't believe it's anything to do with money.

      Money can buy players like Shevchenko, Veron, Cech, Wiltord and so on but that doesn't mean they're going to be worth that money. As for world class managers well that's what Juande Ramos is claimed to be and he had money to spend. He spent over the odds on Modric, Gomes, Bentley, Woodgate, Pavly...Russian forward and a few others.

      Just to wrap up, it takes a lot more than an open cheque book to get success which when all is going well on the pitch at Anfield, Liverpool fans agree with but when we see our club failing to win titles and stick is aimed at our manager and players the wall is built up and excuses about money come to affect. Again, this isn't aimed at you personally ayrton just a generalisation of so many Liverpool fans.
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      cost of the prem league squads
      Reply #26: Feb 03, 2010 06:00:27 pm
      Thought I would start a topic on the initial cost of players in current prem league sqauds.

      Although wages will impact the clubs finances, its too hard to find that info out, but nevertheless as accurately as I could I have started it off.

      Feel free to add or correct. 


      Liverpool

      torres   20.2
      aquilani   20
      mascherano   18.6
      johnson   17.5
      babel   11.5
      kuyt   9
      riera   8
      leiva   6.75
      skrtel   6.5
      reina   6
      agger   5.8
      benayoun   5
      cavilieri   4
      ngog   1.5
      kyrgiakos   1.5
      insua   
      carragher   free
      gerrard   free
      aurellio   free
      spearing
      cavilieri
      darby
      el zhar
      degen
      maxi
      pacheco




      ========================


      Chelsea

      essien   24.4
      drogba   24
      carvallo   19.85
      zhirkov   18
      bosingwa   16.3
      mikel   16
      anelka   15
      malouda   13.5
      ferreira   13.2
      lampard   11
      ivanovic   9.7
      kalou   9
      j cole   6.6
      deco   8
      cech   7
      beletti   5.5
      a cole   5
      sturridge   3.5
      terry   free
      ballack   free
      alex   free

      ====================================


      man utd

      ferdinand   29.1
      berbatov   23.4
      anderson   20.4
      rooney   20
      nani   17.3
      hargreaves   17
      valencia   16
      carrick   14
      vidic   7
      evra   5
      park   4
      van der sar   2
         
      owen   free
      brown   free
      scholes   free
      giggs   free
      neville   free
      evans   free
      fletcher   free
      o'shea   free
      simpson   free
      rafael   
      fabio    
      gibson   
      kuszczak   
      de laet   
      welbeck
      macheda




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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #27: Feb 03, 2010 06:23:51 pm
      Merged your post with mine that I started a year ago.

      Would say use search, but I tried it, and nothing came up for me.

      FYI, Aquilani wasn't £20m.
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #28: Feb 04, 2010 02:29:52 am
      There are two different themes here, the thread I started was more concerned with what clubs have actually paid out for players, rather than what the squad is worth, or valued at.   

      The skill of a manager is surely to buy cheap and then increase the value of a player/squad

      I cant be positive of all the prices paid for players as often they are estimated/undisclosed

      Man City

      tevez             47
      robinho           32.5
      adeybayor   25
      lescott              22
      santa cruz     18
      de jong             16
      toure              15
      bellamy              14
      barry               12
      bridge              10
      wright-philips     8.5
      zabaletta     6.45
      given               7
      kompany            6
      petrov             4.7
      garido             1.5
      richards     free
      ireland        free
      onuoha           free
      sylvinho     free
      ibrahim             free
      boyata   
      viera   
      taylor   
      benjani   


      I am trying to research the cost of all the squads in the prem league.

      Obviously clubs have a big advantage when they have more free players who they have developed.

      by the way how much did aqua cost?
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #29: Feb 05, 2010 05:57:19 am
      Arsenal


      arshavin   16.5
      nasri             12.5
      vermaelen   12
      hleb              10
      sagna              8
      eduardo       8
      rosicky       6.8
      walcott      5
      ramsey          4.8
      denilson   3.5
      van persie   3.5
      diaby              3
      song           2.5
      fabianski   2
      eboue          1.5
      silvestre   0.75
      senderos   0.5
      almunia    0.5
      clichy       0.25
      fabregas   free
      wilshire   free
      bendtner   free
      traore   
      gibbs   
      gallas   
      barrymanulow
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #30: Feb 11, 2010 02:07:35 pm
      Aston Villa


      milner          13.35
      a young       11.74
      downing       11.57
      rio coker        11.12
      delph             9.4
      davies             8.9
      cuellar            8.9
      petrov            8.9
      warnock         8.01
      dunne            6.05
      l young           5.69
      sidwell            5.6
      collins             5.07   
      heskey            3.29
      beye               2.58
      friedel             2.22
      agbonlahor       free
      delfouneso       free
      salifou              free
      albrighton         free
      carew
      shorey





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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #31: Feb 11, 2010 02:35:34 pm
      Everton

      fellaini     16.46
      yakubu         14.68
      bilyaletdinov   8.9
      baines            6.67
      heitinga   6.05
      distin             5.78
      jagielka     5.34
      neville       4.71
      yobo           4.18
      howard          3.73
      arteta            2.49
      pienaar           2.44
      cahill              1.95
      rodwell            free
      hibbert             free
      anichebe   free
      vaughan         free
      donovan   
      osman   
      saha   
      HUYTON RED
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #32: Feb 15, 2010 10:20:45 pm
      Slight error there, since when have Everton and Man City been big teams?
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #33: Feb 15, 2010 10:31:11 pm
      Slight error there, since when have Everton and Man City been big teams?

      Yeah, if you are doing Everton then you better do the Liverpool Reserves as well!
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      Re: "Big Team" squad values
      Reply #34: Feb 20, 2010 03:23:50 am
      Yeah, if you are doing Everton then you better do the Liverpool Reserves as well!

      F**k that. AFC Liverpool deserve a shout in that case as well!

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