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      Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)

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      Reply #805: Jul 20, 2011 06:59:19 am
      I can't wait to see this guy f**k off for good from the EPL. I also think he's going to end up in Spain, Real Madrid.

      There's no loyalty whatsoever among these stars nowadays.
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      Reply #806: Jul 20, 2011 10:13:11 am
      Oh dear, it looks like the Corinthians deal may be off, poor old Carlos !
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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #807: Jul 20, 2011 11:11:22 am
      I for one hope he stays at City. An unhappy player that will cause disruption in their dressing room? yeah I like it   ;D

      Yeah! Agreed.

      Personally I think he'll end up at Corinthians, but Corinthians will dictate the price.
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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #808: Jul 20, 2011 11:25:51 am
      Corintheans are setting the agenda they now have the whip hand, after offering and withdrawing the bait which Citeh would have no doubt accepted they have set the yardstick which rival bidders will baulk at.
      The word is they will leave it to simmer and come back in January and no doubt chip the original bid.
      « Last Edit: Jul 20, 2011 11:53:07 am by stuey »
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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #809: Jul 20, 2011 12:47:35 pm
      Yeah! Agreed.

      Personally I think he'll end up at Corinthians, but Corinthians will dictate the price.

      I think that their transfer window is now closed mate.
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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #810: Jul 20, 2011 12:55:04 pm
      I think that their transfer window is now closed mate.
      5am tomorrow morning, UK time.
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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #811: Jul 20, 2011 06:30:47 pm
      So the poor Gipsy has to stay in rainy old mancchester, you have to laugh when he said he can't go to cinema because he doesn't understand it, well F***ing learn some English you money grabbing tw*t.
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      Reply #812: Jul 21, 2011 10:10:25 am
      So the poor Gipsy has to stay in rainy old mancchester, you have to laugh when he said he can't go to cinema because he doesn't understand it, well F***ing learn some English you money grabbing tw*t.
      Haha F**k him.
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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #813: Aug 24, 2011 02:39:19 am
      In before mac_red  ;D

      Carlos Tevez: The billionaires' fight over his ownership revealed

      David Conn, Guardian.co.uk

      A week before the transfer window shuts, Carlos Tevez, despite months of apparent unhappiness with his club and the charms of Manchester, remains a Manchester City player. Over time, sympathy has dwindled for his reported complaints about Roberto Mancini's training regime, the club's chief executive Garry Cook and the narrow menu of Mancunian eateries given that Tevez, on a basic salary of £160,000 a week, is the guaranteed highest paid star in Abu Dhabi's football firmament.

      Tevez's journey from "Fort Apache", the Buenos Aires slum where he grew up, to his status as one of the world's most celebrated and highest paid footballers, and the part played by his representative, Kia Joorabchian, has been one of the modern game's more intriguing narratives.

      Now, previously unpublished documents seen by the Guardian appear to lend a greater understanding than ever before of Tevez, the superstar in his gilded cage. They show how he has been traded five times and loaned out three times by businessmen who "owned" him, including Joorabchian, and have made millions for themselves.

      The documents state that Tevez was ultimately owned by a fugitive Georgian oligarch, who later fled to London, and that joint ownership is now claimed by his partner, a Russian billionaire exiled in London and a sworn enemy of Russia's president Vladimir Putin.

      At the age of 20, after Tevez joined the Brazilian club Corinthians from Argentina's Boca Juniors, the player's "economic rights" – his registration as a footballer – were, according to the documents, sold to MSI, a company registered in the British Virgin Islands, a secretive tax haven. At the same time Joorabchian was leading a fund, also called MSI, based in London, which said it had "a number of investors mainly based in Britain and Russia" and which financed Corinthians themselves.

      Court and internal company documents seen by the Guardian assert that the owner and financial backer of MSI, which owned the rights to Tevez, was the Georgian billionaire oligarch Arkadi "Badri" Patarkatsishvili. A former car-industry executive, he emerged as one of the richest oligarchs from the Soviet Union's post-communism collapse, with interests in mining, cars, aerospace and media. He died in 2008, a fugitive in London, hounded by the authorities in Georgia and Russia.

      His long-term associate, Boris Berezovsky, another who became a billionaire during the Boris Yeltsin era, lives in London claiming persecution by Putin's government. Following their years of lucrative partnership, Berezovsky is suing Patarkatsishvili's estate and widow, Inna, claiming he was the 50-50 owner of all Patarkatsishvili's business assets – including MSI.

      Berezovsky's claim, in the high court here, seeks half of £24m due to MSI after it sold Tevez outright in 2007 to Joorabchian himself, who bought the Tevez rights, via another company registered in the British Virgin Islands.

      Joorabchian then loaned the Argentinian to Manchester United for two years, for £6m, before selling Tevez to Manchester City, receiving a fee from Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan's club of £45m, netting a profit of £21m.

      Joorabchian declined to discuss with the Guardian the details of Tevez's ownership and his buying, loaning and selling of the player, citing confidentiality agreements. Via a spokesman, though, Joorabchian emphasised that no player can be forced by businessmen to go to any club, and that Tevez has not made any of his moves without wanting to.

      The first of those moves was in December 2004 when MSI, its backers always undeclared, suddenly bought Corinthians, the São Paulo club, and immediately spent hugely on players. Tevez was signed from Boca Juniors for a reported $22m, a South American record and sensation; Javier Mascherano joined shortly afterwards for a reported $15m from River Plate.

      When both players dramatically signed for West Ham United in August 2006 after starring for Argentina at the World Cup in Germany, it gradually unravelled that they were not registered to West Ham but loaned, and still "owned" by offshore companies based in tax havens. Tevez was owned by MSI and Just Sports Inc, Mascherano by Mystere Services and Global Soccer Agencies.

      Through all the disciplinary hearings and court cases which followed, leading to West Ham being fined £5.5m by a Premier League disciplinary panel for failing to disclose the "third-party arrangements" with the league, the ultimate owners of those companies were never identified.

      The documents seen by the Guardian state that MSI, registered in Tortola, the British Virgin Islands, first bought 35% of Tevez's economic rights on 17 December 2004, the month Corinthians were taken over. On 7 February 2006, Tevez is stated to have signed a further agreement transferring his economic rights to MSI and Just Sports Inc. When he arrived at West Ham with Mascherano six months later, Tevez was owned and loaned by these two companies.

      A year later, the Corinthians deal came under investigation for alleged money laundering by the São Paulo state prosecutor's office, and a warrant was issued for the arrests of Joorabchian and Berezovsky, alleging that Berezovsky controlled MSI. Both men denied wrongdoing, and Berezovsky stated he had no involvement with Tevez's "transfer dealings". The arrest warrant was withdrawn.

      The internal documents seen by the Guardian state that MSI was managed by a company called LMC, operating in Gibraltar, another British protectorate tax haven which enables the owners of companies to remain hidden.

      A document stated to be an agreement between MSI, LMC and Patarkatsishvili, in July 2007, seen by the Guardian, asserts that "MSI is beneficially owned as to 100% by Arkadi Patarkatsishvili".

      Patarkatsishvili, like Berezovsky and their one-time protege Roman Abramovich, was one of the handful of men who emerged from Yeltsin's meltdown with huge wealth. Patarkatsishvili worked with Berezovsky from the late 80s and they made their enormous fortunes in car dealerships, then in the string of cut-price privatisations of state assets.

      Like Berezovsky, Patarkatsishvili subsequently fell out with the authorities, accused of fraud in Russia in 2001, then clashing with the Georgia president, Mikheil Saakashvili, who accused him of plotting a coup. Saying he feared assassination, Patarkatsishvili fled in December 2007 to London, where Berezovsky has also lived since becoming an opponent of Putin.

      After the Premier League discovered in 2007 that Tevez and Mascherano had played for West Ham while owned throughout by offshore companies, the league said the players' next moves had to be outright sales or loans, with no influence wielded by the "third-party owners". That summer the league, deeply disapproving of third-party ownership, banned it, a prohibition which now applies throughout English football.

      Mascherano was bought by Liverpool for £17m; Tevez was loaned to Sir Alex Ferguson's Manchester United for two seasons. The circumstances of that deal have never previously been revealed, but the documents state that before Tevez was loaned to United, MSI sold its economic rights in him to Harlem Springs, another company also registered in the BVI. Sources close to these arrangements say the sole owner of Harlem Springs was subsequently stated to be Joorabchian.

      In one of the internal agreements Joorabchian, described as Tevez's agent although he is not a Fifa-licensed agent, is stated to have "advised MSI that in order to successfully complete the transfer [to Manchester United], MSI is required to [sell] the economic rights of the player to … Harlem Springs Corporation."

      It is not explained why Joorabchian apparently gave that advice, but MSI did sell Tevez's economic rights to Harlem Springs. The price Joorabchian paid to MSI to buy Tevez was stated to be £24m, with £3m due in July 2007, £3m in July 2008, then £18m to be paid in three instalments – in September 2009, 2010, and 2011.

      United are understood, in turn, to have agreed to pay Harlem Springs – Joorabchian's company – £3m in each of the two years Tevez played for the club, and United had an option to buy him permanently for £25.5m at the end of the loan. Tevez helped United win the Premier League in 2008 and 2009 and on that rainy night in Moscow, the 2008 European Cup. Yet Sir Alex Ferguson decided in 2009 he did not want to pay £25.5m for Tevez and amid some acrimony at Old Trafford, Joorabchian negotiated with City.

      When Tevez signed the fee Sheikh Mansour's City paid was, according to reliable sources, £45m – then a British record transfer fee. The money was paid to Harlem Springs, which had bought Tevez's economic rights for £24m from MSI – owned, according to the internal documents, by Patarkatsishvili.

      The Georgian, considered a billionaire, worked closely with Berezovsky until he died in London in February 2008. He had persistently predicted that he would be assassinated and said he was deploying 120 bodyguards, so police and pathologists did investigate. They came to an early view that his death was due to natural causes, although some close to him still suspect foul play.

      Berezovsky then launched a legal action in the high court here against Patarkatsishvili's wife and the administrators of the late Georgian's estate, claiming that hugely valuable assets, many managed by LMC via Gibraltar, were jointly owned by Berezovksy.

      MSI is included in the claim; Berezovksy argues that the shares in it were held by nominees on behalf of Berezovksy and Patarkatsishvili. The Russian oligarch claims specifically, in his court action, that MSI is due to be paid by Harlem Springs for the sale of the economic rights in Tevez.

      "The claim is that in effect Boris Berezovsky and Badri were business partners in everything and he owns 50% of Badri's estate," a spokesman for Berezovksy said. "MSI is a part of that estate; the claim is that Boris Berezovsky jointly owned the shares in MSI, along with Badri."

      Berezovsky explicitly states in his court action that he wanted his name hidden from ownership of his assets after 2006 because he believed he was being pursued by the Russian authorities, having become a public opponent of Putin. Berezovsky claims his shares in joint ventures with Patarkatsishvili, including MSI, were transferred to trusts or nominees so that his identity could be hidden. Patarkatsishvili's family is arguing that in fact in 2006 an "economic divorce" took place, by which Patarkatsishvili bought Berezovsky out.

      The case is expected to come to court in October next year. Asked why Berezovsky had said publicly previously that he had had no involvement in MSI or dealings over Tevez, his spokesman said it was open to interpretation. "He answered directly what was put to him."

      When Tevez signed for City the club unveiled the player's image on a billboard proclaiming "Welcome to Manchester". Now Tevez, still advised by Joorabchian although he no longer owns the striker's rights, says he wants away from the rainy city with too few restaurants and wishes to be closer to his family in Argentina. Corinthians returned for him this summer and City, weary of the disruption, were prepared to sell, but the deal, agreed at £40m plus £2m in each of the next two years, fell down when City asked Corinthians for a bank guarantee on the first instalment.

      Unless a club approach City with a fee approaching the £45m they paid Joorabchian, Tevez will be staying in Manchester. In that sense, he can be considered a prisoner of all the multi-million-pound deals done to trade him.

      Over the coming months, Berezovsky, now actively asserting he was an investor in MSI, will continue his fight for a share of the £24m Joorabchian paid MSI. Tevez can be expected to play on, with maximum commitment, as he always has, in Buenos Aires, São Paulo, West Ham, or in the rain and Premier League money-pot of Manchester – whoever has "owned" him.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2011/aug/23/carlos-tevez-legal-battle-revealed

      Very good long read and well worth it.
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      Reply #814: Aug 24, 2011 02:46:32 am

      One of these days, all of you will be posting articles around here ... When that happens, my job here will be done ...  ;D
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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #815: Sep 28, 2011 06:01:51 pm

      Manchester City study legal route over Carlos Tevez

      By Simon Stone, PA
      Wednesday, 28 September 2011

      Manchester City's legal team will go through the small print of Carlos Tevez's contract before deciding how to deal with the controversial Argentina striker.

      As condemnation of the 27-year-old's apparent refusal to play against Bayern Munich last night has mounted - Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp was amongst the most vocal critics of a player who was a hero at his old club West Ham - City have taken advantage of a planned day off for their first-team squad to give the whole furore some breathing space.

      The gap has not been used to try and change manager Roberto Mancini's mind about Tevez having no future.

      Instead, the club are ensuring any action will not be the subject of appeals by Tevez, as prima-face as the evidence appears to be.

      Chairman Khaldoon al-Mubarak will have the final say.

      Most likely is a January sale, although that would leave Tevez hanging around for another three months, bringing with it huge potential for disruption.

      However, given the vast Abu Dhabi wealth bankrolling the entire City operation, it cannot entirely be discounted that the man who skippered the Blues to their FA Cup triumph in May, the club's first silverware since 1976, will have his contract cancelled, or that he will be left to fester until the end of his deal in 2014.

      Compromise is not on the agenda.

      And the claims Tevez made in his own statement on his conduct this morning - that there had been a misunderstanding - have been ridiculed by senior City staff, as has the notion the South American's failure to start more than two games for the Blues amounts to some kind of victimisation on Mancini's part.

      It does seem the combined 15 goals so far contributed to City's season by Edin Dzeko and Sergio Aguero amounts to a fairly heavy counterbalance to Tevez's inclusion.

      Yet it appears that belief has festered since the forward returned from his summer break, leading to a breakdown in the relationship with Mancini that spilled over into open warfare last night.

      There was no mention of the City manager in the statement Tevez released this morning.

      "I would like to apologise to all Manchester City fans, with whom I have always had a strong relationship, for any misunderstanding that occurred in Munich.

      "They understand that when I am on the pitch I have always given my best for the club.

      "In Munich on Tuesday I had warmed up and was ready to play. This is not the right time to get into specific details as to why this did not happen. But I wish to state that I never refused to play.

      "There was some confusion on the bench and I believe my position may have been misunderstood.

      "Going forward I am ready to play when required and to fulfil my obligations."

      The "misunderstanding" apparently came down to Tevez's belief that when Mancini asked him to warm up, prior to a potential introduction, the forward felt he was already prepared, having only just returned to his seat in the visitors' dug-out at the Allianz Arena.

      It is also suggested Tevez was willing to play, something Mancini vehemently denies, a stance which has left Khaldoon with no option other than to back his manager strongly, knowing the Italian would be seriously undermined if he failed.

      Not that Khaldoon is likely to come down on the striker's side.

      For all the finance lavished on a player who became a City hero the instant he opted to join the club for whom he now earns in excess of £200,000 a week after leaving Manchester United, and the emotional investment spent talking him into staying when his first transfer request was submitted in December, Tevez has wrecked his legacy.

      Instead of joining the pantheon of greats and being revered like Colin Bell, he will remembered as a player of great talent, tainted by utter selfishness.

      "He (Mancini) has dealt with it in the way he thinks is right," said assistant manager David Platt. "I think he is right.

      "The pictures are on the TV. What do you want him to do? Come out and lie? He has told it as it is. Full stop.

      "That is where we are now. On Friday he will be asked more questions, we can go from there.

      "He may well say something different. He might not. I don't know.

      "At least he will have had time to assess things a little bit in more detail.

      "It is not re-asserting authority with the dressing room. It is about dealing with that situation."

      http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/manchester-city-study-legal-route-over-carlos-tevez-2362404.html
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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #816: Sep 28, 2011 06:21:18 pm
      Gordon Taylor just been asked about Tevez situation. He said that if City sack Tevez, then Tevez should be due compensation.

      Taylor is also the highest paid union man in the country.
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      Reply #817: Sep 28, 2011 06:48:45 pm
      Should it not be the opposite, they sack him they lose out a transfer fee, about 30+ m I guess. They should sack him and sue him for that amount. Thats what happens in the real world for real people, if I dont turn up for work and the company lose a £1,000 job, they can sack me AND sue me for the £1,00, just like if I dont work my notice and leave them in the lurch.

      If I were in charge of Citeh I would keep paying him, cause they have to and can afford it, and make him spend the rest of his contract in Argentina [definately banned from the club] and not allowed to play any club football until 2014. Basically fcking up his career and sending a strong signal to the other players...remember they have Ballatolli acting with a similar amount of disrespect, maybe if he sees Tevez getting this treatment he will buck his ideas up. In the long run the wages will be money well spent, even if he is never seen in Manchester again.

      Personally I think this situation could be used to benefit not just City, but every club in the world, players have too much money and too much power and it needs stopping.

      Taylor can go f*** himself, he is part of the problem.

      Although I must admit it is kinda funny that, with all the money in the world, Citeh still cant control things.
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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #818: Sep 28, 2011 06:50:23 pm
      F**k him, let him rot in the reserves, and fine him every time he does ANYTHING wrong.
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      Reply #819: Sep 28, 2011 08:50:18 pm
      And there's a poll on top this saying 72% of us want him here.
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      Reply #820: Sep 28, 2011 08:51:18 pm
      When was that poll made?
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      Reply #821: Sep 28, 2011 08:51:19 pm
      They don't have a reserve team.
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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #822: Sep 28, 2011 08:56:41 pm
      He's been suspended for two weeks pending an investigation.
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      Reply #823: Sep 28, 2011 09:03:08 pm
      F***ing glad now rafa lost out on him,just imagine the sh*te kenny would have on his hands now in terms of what the club went through with H & G.

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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #824: Sep 28, 2011 09:07:40 pm
      Tevez suspended by Manchester City after refusing to play against Bayern Munich

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2042976/Carlos-Tevez-suspended-Manchester-City-refusing-play-Bayern-Munich.html

      Carlos Tevez has been suspended by Manchester City for two weeks after refusing to play in the Champions League against Bayern Munich.

      The Argentine striker - who earns £250,000-a-week - left manager Roberto Mancini raging when he appeared to snub the chance to come on as a second-half substitute with City trailing 2-0 in Germany.

      The striker was back out in Cheshire on Wednesday when he was pictured heading for a game of golf with his wife Vanesa, although they were understood to have been turned away from the Tytherington course because they didn't have a tee slot.

      Mancini claimed the Argentinian will never play for him at City again before saying he would consult the club's owner about the way forward.

      Tevez, who was given a police escort home on his return to Manchester with anger among fans brewing, issued a statement early on Wednesday morning claiming he did not refuse to play.

      It read: 'I would like to apologise to all Manchester City fans, with whom I have always had a strong relationship, for any misunderstanding that occurred in Munich.

      'They understand that when I am on the pitch I have always given my best for the club.

      'In Munich on Tuesday I had warmed up and was ready to play.

      'This is not the right time to get into specific details as to why this did not happen. But I wish to state that I never refused to play.

      'There was some confusion on the bench and I believe my position may have been misunderstood. Going forward I am ready to play when required and to fulfil my obligations.'

      Mancini said he would speak with Manchester City chairman Khaldoon al-Mubarak in the next few days to decide what to do. Mancini intended to introduce Tevez as a substitute for the final half an hour.

      However, in a move that seems certain to trigger his eventual departure from the club, the 27-year-old appeared to simply say: 'No.'

      'In the next days, we will speak with Khaldoon,' said Mancini. 'It is normal. He is the chairman. He decides everything.

      'If I decided, yes (he would leave). He wanted to leave last year. I helped him for two years every time. He refused to play.

      'I cannot accept this behaviour from him. I decide the substitutions, not Carlos.'

      Tevez did not look particularly perturbed by the situation he has landed himself in when he left the stadium.

      However, the Blues did get extra security at the airport to ensure angry fans did not encroach beyond acceptable levels.

      Having agitated for a move for so long, Tevez will surely get his wish, and there was no apology for his actions immediately after the game.

      'I have been professional during all my time here,' he told Sky Sports News.

      'Last season I was the top scorer and I wanted to leave for family reasons but I keep trying to do my best.'

      Nevertheless, it is difficult to see how Mancini could want him in his dressing room after making such unforgiving comments.

      'Do you think at Bayern Munich one player can play like this? Or Milan or Manchester United? No,' he said.

      'There were 30 minutes to the end. There was time to change the game.

      'Carlos didn't play at the start of the season because he didn't do a pre-season for three years. He is not ready to play."

      This would have been bad enough, in addition to being condemned to defeat by two goals in eight first-half minutes from Mario Gomez.

      But Mancini also had to contend with a strop from Edin Dzeko, who took exception to being replaced by Nigel de Jong 10 minutes into the second half as City tried to stop themselves being submerged in their opponents' bombardment.

      'I should be unhappy with this performance, not Edin,' said Mancini.

      'But he played a poor game. If you play every three days, it is impossible that one player can always play well and that he can always stay on the pitch for 90 minutes

      But there was also a stern warning for the giant Bosnian.

      'This is the last time one player leaves the pitch and moves his head like this,' Mancini continued.

      'I can understand a player is disappointed. I can understand inside he can be upset if he thinks he has played well. But I am the manager. I decide everything.'








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      Re: Carlos Tevez (Manchester City)
      Reply #825: Sep 28, 2011 09:08:27 pm
      Disgraceful player, he should be sued for breaching contract
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      Reply #826: Sep 28, 2011 09:08:39 pm
      One of these days, all of you will be posting articles around here ... When that happens, my job here will be done ...  ;D

      We managed quite well before your arrival so the doors over there ----->  :f_tongueincheek:  :f_whistle:
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      Reply #827: Sep 28, 2011 09:12:50 pm
      Shitbag probably had lessons of Mach

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