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      Re: United clinch title
      Reply #138: May 18, 2009 05:02:56 pm
      Get a load of this shyte article from the beeb.

      Sir Alex Ferguson - on the rare occasions when Manchester United have been denied the Premier League title - has traditionally written a letter of congratulation to the victorious manager.

      And when Rafael Benitez led Liverpool to Champions League success against AC Milan in Istanbul in 2005, Ferguson was again prepared to put pen to paper.

      It is hardly a major feat of deduction to guess that Benitez will not be moved to prose in praise of Ferguson after United equalled Liverpool's tally of 18 titles.

      If he could not bring himself to utter verbal congratulations to Ferguson when pressed at The Hawthorns on Sunday, Benitez is unlikely to put it down in writing.

      He was prepared to salute Manchester United but made a point of not congratulating Ferguson - putting the latest coating of acrimony on a soured relationship between the pair.

      The problem Benitez has here is two-fold. Firstly, even though Ferguson will be supremely indifferent as to whether he receives bouquets from Liverpool's manager or not, it makes his Anfield counterpart look petty and a bitterly sore loser.

      It also came hard on the heels of Benitez's questionable claim that United may not actually be the best team in the Premier League - they simply won more points than anyone else.

      Secondly, and more importantly, the man who holds the trophies wins the arguments and Ferguson has beaten Benitez hands down by securing a third successive title.

      Benitez's lack of affection for Ferguson is painfully obvious and placed in certain contexts understandable.

      There must be a measure of sympathy after what had every appearance of collusion between Manchester United's manager and Sam Allardyce in the recent "gesturegate" row that farcically suggested Benitez had shown Blackburn Rovers a lack of respect at Anfield.

      And he certainly should not be expected to be subservient towards Ferguson. Liverpool's manager rightly feels it is more important to fight Anfield's corner than cosy up to Old Trafford's overlord.

      But Benitez started a dangerous game when he delivered his carefully considered - definitely not a rant - attack against Ferguson's conduct towards referees, the FA's Respect campaign and fixture lists.

      I spoke to Benitez at Stoke 24 hours after that outspoken attack on Ferguson, and to say he was spectacularly unrepentant is a masterpiece of understatement.

      He was even moved to suggest, with an air of real belief in his words, that Ferguson was "a little bit scared" that Liverpool were table-toppers at that time. Brave - but ill-advised.

      Sadly for Benitez, it also came after the sort of lifeless goalless draw that was to eventually become a significant factor in Benitez losing a title he simply had to win once he decided to throw down the gauntlet to Ferguson.

      It was also provoked by what was, by Ferguson's standards, a fairly routine jab about the possibility of Liverpool getting nervous in the closing stages of the title race.

      Benitez would not have enjoyed congratulating Ferguson. He would have hated it, but he should have swallowed hard and done it. It would have been the gracious thing to do and would have avoided the headlines that greeted him on Monday.

      The latest outbreak of rancour also removed some focus from Liverpool's own outstanding development in the last three months, which can rightly bring huge satisfaction for Benitez and be the source of genuine optimism for next season.

      Benitez is famously single-minded tactically and applies tunnel vision to his pursuit of success - he must now apply those same qualities to his relationship with Ferguson.

      He must put an end to what is in danger of becoming an unhealthy sideshow, a sideshow that is currently benefiting only one man. And that man is not Benitez.

      Benitez must blank everything Ferguson says and does from his mind and concentrate every fibre solely on Liverpool. He must somehow ensure that Manchester United become almost meaningless to him rather than developing an obsession with Old Trafford.

      Easier said than done, but there is no mileage in taking on the master at his own game.

      Ferguson is football's streetfighter, preying on any sign of vulnerablity and Benitez's original verbal jousting appeared to concentrate the minds of all at Manchester United at a crucial point in the season.

      Benitez has assembled a team, if not quite a squad, that is capable of building on their progression this season and making a serious attempt to win the Premier League next season.

      Liverpool can have no guarantees because Ferguson will have carefully noted their development, but if they maintain the positive attacking approach sparked by the 4-0 thrashing of Real Madrid in the Champions League and keep Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres fit, they will be even more dangerous opponents for United next season.

      This is the best way for Benitez to fight Ferguson - and the only way in which he can win his arguments with the all-conquering Scot.

      I mean seriously are they having a laugh!?!?  :lmao:
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      Re: United clinch title
      Reply #139: May 18, 2009 05:04:01 pm
       

      Typical American poster, I have encountered your kind before, and I don't mean on th internet.... ::).....
      Oh really?

      Please enlighten us on how my post is "Typical American". I really want to know what "my kind" is like. Because,  I am sure your an expert on Americans and American culture.

      Is it "typical American" because I was able to prove my point, articulate myself in the discussion, question why a supposed United fan would spend so much time on a Liverpool forum,  and call you a "Jack-ass".
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      Re: United clinch title
      Reply #140: May 18, 2009 05:09:31 pm
      Get a load of this shyte article from the beeb.

      Sir Alex Ferguson - on the rare occasions when Manchester United have been denied the Premier League title - has traditionally written a letter of congratulation to the victorious manager.

      And when Rafael Benitez led Liverpool to Champions League success against AC Milan in Istanbul in 2005, Ferguson was again prepared to put pen to paper.

      It is hardly a major feat of deduction to guess that Benitez will not be moved to prose in praise of Ferguson after United equalled Liverpool's tally of 18 titles.

      If he could not bring himself to utter verbal congratulations to Ferguson when pressed at The Hawthorns on Sunday, Benitez is unlikely to put it down in writing.

      He was prepared to salute Manchester United but made a point of not congratulating Ferguson - putting the latest coating of acrimony on a soured relationship between the pair.

      The problem Benitez has here is two-fold. Firstly, even though Ferguson will be supremely indifferent as to whether he receives bouquets from Liverpool's manager or not, it makes his Anfield counterpart look petty and a bitterly sore loser.

      It also came hard on the heels of Benitez's questionable claim that United may not actually be the best team in the Premier League - they simply won more points than anyone else.

      Secondly, and more importantly, the man who holds the trophies wins the arguments and Ferguson has beaten Benitez hands down by securing a third successive title.

      Benitez's lack of affection for Ferguson is painfully obvious and placed in certain contexts understandable.

      There must be a measure of sympathy after what had every appearance of collusion between Manchester United's manager and Sam Allardyce in the recent "gesturegate" row that farcically suggested Benitez had shown Blackburn Rovers a lack of respect at Anfield.

      And he certainly should not be expected to be subservient towards Ferguson. Liverpool's manager rightly feels it is more important to fight Anfield's corner than cosy up to Old Trafford's overlord.

      But Benitez started a dangerous game when he delivered his carefully considered - definitely not a rant - attack against Ferguson's conduct towards referees, the FA's Respect campaign and fixture lists.

      I spoke to Benitez at Stoke 24 hours after that outspoken attack on Ferguson, and to say he was spectacularly unrepentant is a masterpiece of understatement.

      He was even moved to suggest, with an air of real belief in his words, that Ferguson was "a little bit scared" that Liverpool were table-toppers at that time. Brave - but ill-advised.

      Sadly for Benitez, it also came after the sort of lifeless goalless draw that was to eventually become a significant factor in Benitez losing a title he simply had to win once he decided to throw down the gauntlet to Ferguson.

      It was also provoked by what was, by Ferguson's standards, a fairly routine jab about the possibility of Liverpool getting nervous in the closing stages of the title race.

      Benitez would not have enjoyed congratulating Ferguson. He would have hated it, but he should have swallowed hard and done it. It would have been the gracious thing to do and would have avoided the headlines that greeted him on Monday.

      The latest outbreak of rancour also removed some focus from Liverpool's own outstanding development in the last three months, which can rightly bring huge satisfaction for Benitez and be the source of genuine optimism for next season.

      Benitez is famously single-minded tactically and applies tunnel vision to his pursuit of success - he must now apply those same qualities to his relationship with Ferguson.

      He must put an end to what is in danger of becoming an unhealthy sideshow, a sideshow that is currently benefiting only one man. And that man is not Benitez.

      Benitez must blank everything Ferguson says and does from his mind and concentrate every fibre solely on Liverpool. He must somehow ensure that Manchester United become almost meaningless to him rather than developing an obsession with Old Trafford.

      Easier said than done, but there is no mileage in taking on the master at his own game.

      Ferguson is football's streetfighter, preying on any sign of vulnerablity and Benitez's original verbal jousting appeared to concentrate the minds of all at Manchester United at a crucial point in the season.

      Benitez has assembled a team, if not quite a squad, that is capable of building on their progression this season and making a serious attempt to win the Premier League next season.

      Liverpool can have no guarantees because Ferguson will have carefully noted their development, but if they maintain the positive attacking approach sparked by the 4-0 thrashing of Real Madrid in the Champions League and keep Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres fit, they will be even more dangerous opponents for United next season.

      This is the best way for Benitez to fight Ferguson - and the only way in which he can win his arguments with the all-conquering Scot.

      I mean seriously are they having a laugh!?!?  :lmao:

      To this ...I say have a look at this thread from another forum.Some of the posts are quality especially the ones from a person called gkmacca!!
      http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=33576.msg869804#new
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      Re: United clinch title
      Reply #141: May 18, 2009 05:27:16 pm
      Who wrote that article? Bobby Charlton?
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      Reply #142: May 18, 2009 05:45:29 pm
      Where is it written that everyone in the Premier League has to bow down to Fergie?  F*** him.  The FA might as well give him a ring that all the opposing coaches need to kiss before and after a match. 

      Christ, what kind of egotistical sociopath whines about not receiving a congratulatory letter. I say good, awesome. I'm glad Rafa didn't. I love rivalries. I love behind the scenes smackdowns!  I want a coach that says f*** Off, we'll settle this on the pitch. I'll tell you that next season the Liverpool v United matches are going to be AWESOME!!!!

      Im sure all the "supposed" letters Fergie wrote were written when he was in a drunken stupor. Its like getting really shitfaced and writting a letter to an ex-girlfriend. The letters probably made no sense and were written with a crayon on hotel stationary.

      I actually have a copy of a letter written to Arsene Wenger by Fergie.  I think he was hitting the bottle HARD!!!!!


      DEER Arsene,

      condheuyq to winning titttles. I just love your hair.....%^&$. My wife is gjornmv so'kmlc bi*ch!!!..Wheres my scotch?

      See ghjfhg b next yeer. Did you know your name is almost like your team name Haaaaha..kjhklk?
      gggggggggggggggggggggggg gggggggggggggggggggggggg lihijl;,m

      WHAT did you call me? I hate akdjhjadfodp;m/ .

      Love and kissssssessss xxxxooo

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      Re: United clinch title
      Reply #143: May 18, 2009 05:49:21 pm
      Where is it written that everyone in the Premier League has to bow down to Fergie?  F*** him.  The FA might as well give him a ring that all the opposing coaches need to kiss before and after a match. 

      Christ, what kind of egotistical sociopath whines about not receiving a congratulatory letter. I say good, awesome. I'm glad Rafa didn't. I love rivalries. I love behind the scenes smackdowns!  I want a coach that says f*** Off, we'll settle this on the pitch. I'll tell you that next season the Liverpool v United matches are going to be AWESOME!!!!

      Im sure all the "supposed" letters Fergie wrote were written when he was in a drunken stupor. Its like getting really shitfaced and writting a letter to an ex-girlfriend. The letters probably made no sense and were written with a crayon on hotel stationary.

      I actually have a copy of a letter written to Arsene Wenger by Fergie.  I think he was hitting the bottle HARD!!!!!


      DEER Arsene,

      condheuyq to winning titttles. I just love your hair.....%^&$. My wife is gjornmv so'kmlc bi*ch!!!..Wheres my scotch?

      See ghjfhg b next yeer. Did you know your name is almost like your team name Haaaaha..kjhklk?
      gggggggggggggggggggggggg gggggggggggggggggggggggg lihijl;,m

      WHAT did you call me? I hate akdjhjadfodp;m/ .

      Love and kissssssessss xxxxooo

      fergilicous.

      :lmao: A plus for you!!
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      Re: United clinch title
      Reply #144: May 18, 2009 05:52:36 pm
      Where is it written that everyone in the Premier League has to bow down to Fergie?  F*** him.  The FA might as well give him a ring that all the opposing coaches need to kiss before and after a match. 

      Christ, what kind of egotistical sociopath whines about not receiving a congratulatory letter. I say good, awesome. I'm glad Rafa didn't. I love rivalries. I love behind the scenes smackdowns!  I want a coach that says f*** Off, we'll settle this on the pitch. I'll tell you that next season the Liverpool v United matches are going to be AWESOME!!!!

      Im sure all the "supposed" letters Fergie wrote were written when he was in a drunken stupor. Its like getting really shitfaced and writting a letter to an ex-girlfriend. The letters probably made no sense and were written with a crayon on hotel stationary.

      I actually have a copy of a letter written to Arsene Wenger by Fergie.  I think he was hitting the bottle HARD!!!!!


      DEER Arsene,

      condheuyq to winning titttles. I just love your hair.....%^&$. My wife is gjornmv so'kmlc bi*ch!!!..Wheres my scotch?

      See ghjfhg b next yeer. Did you know your name is almost like your team name Haaaaha..kjhklk?
      gggggggggggggggggggggggg gggggggggggggggggggggggg lihijl;,m

      WHAT did you call me? I hate akdjhjadfodp;m/ .

      Love and kissssssessss xxxxooo

      fergilicous.



      Made me laugh till tears rolled down my cheeks!!    :lmao:   Wanting to give you + but can't repeat vote it seems. Anyways, nice posts  ;)
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      Re: United clinch title
      Reply #145: May 18, 2009 06:34:06 pm
      Funnily enough I was in the states a couple of weeks ago and I met quite a few American Liverpool fans....

      And a fantastic job they have done as well exposing that gobs***e Steven Cohen!
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      Re: United clinch title
      Reply #146: May 18, 2009 07:29:49 pm
      Oh really?

      Please enlighten us on how my post is "Typical American". I really want to know what "my kind" is like. Because,  I am sure your an expert on Americans and American culture.

      Is it "typical American" because I was able to prove my point, articulate myself in the discussion, question why a supposed United fan would spend so much time on a Liverpool forum,  and call you a "Jack-ass".


       :lmao:

      Well actually I said "Typical American" in reference to the fact that when I've been to the US and I go to the pub to watch a game it is always the Americans who want to be confrontational, they seem to think that to be a football fan the only way to prove it is to hate and I mean REALLY hate any fan of any other team...

      Case in point, I was in Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago and an American Man City fan was telling me that he was in the Mandalay Bay wearing his Man City jersey when he met three Man United fans, he was getting on well with two of them (they were from Manchester) but the third was American and he wanted to fight right there in the middle of the casino...

      And I could tell you many more stories but I can't be bothered......
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      Reply #147: May 18, 2009 08:26:38 pm
      .
      And I could tell you many more stories but I can't be bothered......

      And your many stories speak for the whole population, then?

      Why is it necessary to bring culture and ethnicity into this? Just because a couple of people act a certain way, doesn't mean that it's "typical" of their nation. There are many things that you portray that I could say are typical of mancs, but I know that these stereotypes don't hold up in the real world.

      Think of a proper argument, rather than start making comments about where people come from.
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      Reply #148: May 18, 2009 08:44:39 pm
      :lmao:

      Well actually I said "Typical American" in reference to the fact that when I've been to the US and I go to the pub to watch a game it is always the Americans who want to be confrontational, they seem to think that to be a football fan the only way to prove it is to hate and I mean REALLY hate any fan of any other team...

      Case in point, I was in Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago and an American Man City fan was telling me that he was in the Mandalay Bay wearing his Man City jersey when he met three Man United fans, he was getting on well with two of them (they were from Manchester) but the third was American and he wanted to fight right there in the middle of the casino...

      And I could tell you many more stories but I can't be bothered......
      So your point being is what?..That only American football supporters get into and start fights. Are you serious?  I'm sorry, I thought all those news reports from the 70's and 80's of pitch invasions, terrace fights, hooligan violence and riots was from English teams! I did'nt realize they were actually from American sports. Sorry.

      Please. I'm not trying to be a dick and say that violence only occurs in the the English game.  Their is violence and riots in a lot of sports all over the world. But for you to even attempt to rationalize American sports and American sports fans as the only violent fans or confrontational fans in the world is Insane.  Do you just make sh*t up to validate your lame arguments.
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      Reply #149: May 18, 2009 08:45:38 pm
      Dr Harold Shipman's last meal was a curry. He said he enjoyed it but he could have murdered a nan.
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      Reply #150: May 18, 2009 09:36:31 pm
      And your many stories speak for the whole population, then?

      Why is it necessary to bring culture and ethnicity into this? Just because a couple of people act a certain way, doesn't mean that it's "typical" of their nation. There are many things that you portray that I could say are typical of mancs, but I know that these stereotypes don't hold up in the real world.

      Think of a proper argument, rather than start making comments about where people come from.

      Well I suppose the American poster might have thought better than to talk rubbish to me then, but I guess he's allowed to spout garbage but I'm not allowed to respond.....
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      Reply #151: May 18, 2009 09:45:20 pm
      So your point being is what?..That only American football supporters get into and start fights. Are you serious?  I'm sorry, I thought all those news reports from the 70's and 80's of pitch invasions, terrace fights, hooligan violence and riots was from English teams! I did'nt realize they were actually from American sports. Sorry.

      Please. I'm not trying to be a dick and say that violence only occurs in the the English game.  Their is violence and riots in a lot of sports all over the world. But for you to even attempt to rationalize American sports and American sports fans as the only violent fans or confrontational fans in the world is Insane.  Do you just make sh*t up to validate your lame arguments.

      Well if you think back to when you first responded to me you will probably remember that it was to spout a lot of rubbish at me...

      I haven't even gloated or anything else but you saw fit to attack me for no reason calling into question my right to call myself a United fan and I said 'typical American', of course English football has a history of hooliganism but my own experience is that when in the US it is the American fans who are confrontational. Not all of them of course but I don't see British fans in the US behaving like that.....British fans over here, well...... ;)......
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      Re: United clinch title
      Reply #152: May 18, 2009 10:32:20 pm
      King Cantona, this makes for an interesting read:

      http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=17763.0

      Try it! ;)
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      Re: United clinch title
      Reply #153: May 18, 2009 11:48:48 pm

      Yes thanks Reslivo, I read it...
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      Reply #154: May 19, 2009 01:39:42 am
      Well if you think back to when you first responded to me you will probably remember that it was to spout a lot of rubbish at me...

      I haven't even gloated or anything else but you saw fit to attack me for no reason calling into question my right to call myself a United fan and I said 'typical American', of course English football has a history of hooliganism but my own experience is that when in the US it is the American fans who are confrontational. Not all of them of course but I don't see British fans in the US behaving like that.....British fans over here, well...... ;)......

      Firstly, Do you read your posts before posting them?

      Naturally, if you are in America, than their would be a proportionate amount of asshole American Fans just based on the fact that their will be more "Americans" in America than British. If I went to England and went to an English sports pub, then chances are their would be more asshole English fans than American fans .Thats just based on statistics of population. That could be said to any country you go to. If you went to a sports pub in Uzbekistan, chances are their would be more asshole Uzbekistan sports fans. 

      Second, Are you serious when you said you haven’t gloated? Half your posts are about how awesome it is to be a United fan and were nowhere near the mighty Man. U.  Your posts yesterday, which are completely wrong, claiming to be “Champions of England, Europe and the World” weren’t “gloating”?


      I don’t actually care if you are a United fan. Fans of other teams are fine. The point being is you are on a Liverpool ONLY forum waving your Man. U banners all over the board. Don’t expect a completely unbiased, counter comment on a biased forum. There is nothing wrong with intelligent debate and the occasional smackdown. Just don’t expect it on a constant basis when your posts are all Pro-Man. U.
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      Reply #155: May 19, 2009 01:45:56 am
      Firstly, Do you read your posts before posting them?

      Naturally, if you are in America, than their would be a proportionate amount of asshole American Fans just based on the fact that their will be more "Americans" in America than British. If I went to England and went to an English pub, then chances are their would be asshole English fans.Thats just based on statistics of population. That could be said to any country you go to. If you went to a sports pub in Uzbekistan, chances are their would be more asshole Uzbekistan sports fans. 

      Second, Are you serious when you said you haven’t gloated? Half your posts are about how awesome it is to be a United fan and were nowhere near the mighty Man. U.  Your posts yesterday, which are completely wrong, claiming to be “Champions of England, Europe and the World” weren’t “gloating”?


      I don’t actually care if you are a United fan. Fans of other teams are fine. The point being is you are on a Liverpool ONLY forum waving your Man. U banners all over the board. Don’t expect a completely unbiased, counter comment on a biased forum. There is nothing wrong with intelligent debate and the occasional smackdown. Just don’t expect it on a constant basis when your posts are all Pro-Man. U.


      Corrected for you mate ;)

      Good thing we're Scouse, Not English  8)
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      Reply #156: May 19, 2009 02:03:44 am
      Corrected for you mate ;)

      Good thing we're Scouse, Not English  8)
      What exactly is a "Scouse or Scouser"?  Is it just a broad descriptive term for anyone from Liverpool?
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      Reply #157: May 19, 2009 06:38:52 am
      I stopped reading that news article after a couple of paragraphs. I can't believe I read that much, was waiting for it to get better.

      What kind of sh*t journalism is that? Who the F**k says we have to say Well done to that c**t. We owe him nothing except a proper smashing next time we play them.

      Did that c**t Ferguson say Well done to us after we smashed them 4-1 at OT? No, he F***ing didn't ...he sprouted some sh*t off about how they were the better team.

      Get the F**k over it Ferguson and you newspaper arse licking journalists.
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      Reply #158: May 19, 2009 06:56:14 am
      Second, Are you serious when you said you haven’t gloated? Half your posts are about how awesome it is to be a United fan and were nowhere near the mighty Man. U.  Your posts yesterday, which are completely wrong, claiming to be “Champions of England, Europe and the World” weren’t “gloating”?

      Are you serious? Because I can't believe half the drivel you post, I get attacked by people saying United's empire is crumbling (wishful thinking I call it) and when I respond to say how can our empire be crumbling because we're Champions of this and that and may be retaining those Championships you see it as gloating?...

      If scouse posters didn't already post rubbish that they can't possibly know anymore than I can (they GUARANTEE Liverpool will win the league next year you know) then I wouldn't have to respond in kind would I?.......
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      Reply #159: May 19, 2009 06:57:32 am
      Corrected for you mate ;)

      Good thing we're Scouse, Not English  8)

      I think not mate....... ;)........
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      Reply #160: May 19, 2009 07:04:36 am
      Naturally, if you are in America, than their would be a proportionate amount of asshole American Fans just based on the fact that their will be more "Americans" in America than British. If I went to England and went to an English sports pub, then chances are their would be more asshole English fans than American fans .Thats just based on statistics of population. That could be said to any country you go to. If you went to a sports pub in Uzbekistan, chances are their would be more asshole Uzbekistan sports fans. 

      And by the way (I have no axe to grind with you) I think you're being slighly disingenuous here, I was talking about British pubs in the US and the large majority of people watching a match are actually British not American...

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