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      Re: Rugby
      Reply #480: Feb 07, 2016 04:52:19 pm
      just love the six nations. this result helps England who were very much in control yesterday and more so as the game went on.
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      Reply #481: Feb 07, 2016 05:07:51 pm
      Good game and the draw was a fair result.
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      Reply #482: Feb 07, 2016 05:24:41 pm
      I had a small flutter on Ireland, so I'm disappointed they couldn't hold on to their lead.  :(

      I only caught the end of the game and it was intense right to the finish.
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      Reply #483: Feb 14, 2016 09:33:49 am
      We are flattering to deceive at the moment playing two blind  sides is a real bad idea , and whoever hsd the brainfart and decided that kicking the ball away at every opportunity is a good idea is a fckin idiot .
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      Re: Rugby
      Reply #484: Jun 19, 2016 05:44:50 am
      Big congratulations to the England team who already have the test series rapped up down under.



      BOOM

      Take a bow Eddie Jones.  ;)
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      Re: Rugby
      Reply #485: Oct 02, 2016 12:16:08 am
      Have seen most of the games in the rugby championship and honestly the All Blacks just play Rugby union at another level compared to everyone else!
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      Reply #486: Oct 22, 2016 07:39:23 am
      Am I the only one who cringes when they see the All Blacks do the Haka?
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      Reply #487: Oct 23, 2016 07:09:56 am
      Am I the only one who cringes when they see the All Blacks do the Haka?

      The Haka appears to work well for the All Blacks as it puts the shits up the opposition before the match starts.They thrashed Australia again yesterday to go 18 games undefeated.Now I would not mind our Liverpool REDS doing a Haka if it got us 18 games undefeated.
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      Reply #488: Oct 23, 2016 07:21:08 am
      The Haka appears to work well for the All Blacks as it puts the shits up the opposition before the match starts.They thrashed Australia again yesterday to go 18 games undefeated.Now I would not mind our Liverpool REDS doing a Haka if it got us 18 games undefeated.

      Ha ha Coutinho and Lallana doing the Haka.
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      Reply #489: Oct 23, 2016 07:52:56 am
      Ha ha Coutinho and Lallana doing the Haka.

      That would be a sight to see,especially if they paint mokos on their faces.I could imagine Coutinho fronting up to a big defender before kickoff.
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      Reply #490: Feb 02, 2017 04:42:17 pm
      Start of the six nations this week.

      Reckon it might come down to the last weekend with Ireland v England to decide the winner.
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      Reply #491: Mar 11, 2017 10:15:01 am
      That was some game last night    a good honest game as well ,
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      Reply #492: Mar 11, 2017 10:32:03 am
      I used to enjoy singing 'Swing Low, Sweet Chariot' – but when I found out what it meant, I felt sick

      The choruses of ‘Swing Low, Sweet Chariot’ that break out when England plays rugby can be quite something.

      It’s hard not to get swept up when it rings out during the build-up to a match, even more so when the team is on the field of play.

      I’m more of a sports fan than I am a rugby fun. I've attended a huge variety of events. They range from the grandeur of the FIFA World Cup and the Olympics to the more earthy charms of an evening race meeting at a French trotting track in Normandy and a Minor League baseball match in Nashville, Tennessee.

      Even when set against the atmosphere at the former pair, those choruses of ‘Swing Low’ stand out. Rousing when the team is playing well, they provide the soothing balm of “we’re all in this together” when they’re not.

      The New York Times, however, has put a rather different spin on the song's use, suggesting it might actually be grossly offensive to turn a spiritual from the slave-owning era in America into something as trivial as a sporting anthem.

      The newspaper recently sought the views of academics on its use by rugby fans generally, and those of England in particular. They were horrified. Take the reaction of Arthur Jones, a music history professor and founder of the Spiritual Project at the University of Denver. He told the newspaper that the situation reminded him of American sports teams who use Native American names and imagery, "in that a group of people seemed to be free-associating with imagery largely disconnected from its history".

      “My first reaction is absolute shock – and I actually understand it when I think about it – but that’s my first reaction,” Jones said. “I feel kind of sad. I feel like the story of American chattel slavery and this incredible cultural tradition, built up within a community of people who were victims and often seen as incapable of standing up for themselves, [makes for] such a powerful story that I want the whole world to know about it."

      At this point there will be those who charge in with accusations of “political correctness gone mad”, all the more so given the fact that the controversy has been stoked by academics speaking to a bastion of prissy American liberalism, otherwise known in this Trumpian era as “the enemy of the people”.

      I'd imagine the crux of their argument would rest on the lack of anything resembling ill intent on the part of the fans. And that is true. This is not the same as the singing of ‘No Surrender to the IRA’ to the tune of the hymn ‘Give Me Joy In My Heart’ by a minority of England football fans nearly two decades since the signing of the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland.

      A significant number among those that sing that song are well aware of its political overtones, and of its use as a marching song by the far-right English Defence League. Their intent is explicitly political, malign and racist.

      The use of ‘Swing Low’ by rugby fans is different. When England’s Mako Vunipola, who is of Tongan descent, was made aware of its origins, he shrugged it off, telling the Daily Telegraph: “If the fans want to sing it then let them sing it, but obviously if people find it offensive then sorry.”

      I imagine the majority of England fans would buy into that.

      Until you consider the lyrics. When I read them, and thought about them, I felt slightly sick because they are a call for the release of death by a slave who has been brutally mistreated.

      Then I recalled the aforementioned trip to Nashville and the American South. The ugly legacy of slavery was everywhere. Some of what we saw in museums about how it operated was truly horrifying. Set against that, the use of the song in a sporting context? Well it makes me shudder, anyway.

      It is certainly possible to over-moralise. But I still don’t think it is "political correctness gone mad" to suggest that it might be a nice idea to show willingness to consider other people's feelings and to refrain from singing a song if its use is considered insulting or out of order. It is simply a matter of being respectful.

      Of course, it ultimately has to be a personal decision. Not singing is just mine. There are many who feel like Vunipola, and that’s understandable, as Jones recognised. There are also many who, while they might have misgivings if they thought about it, would still join in after the belly full of beer that is de rigeur at a trip to the rugby.

      Still, not singing the song in response to a plea from US academics and the New York Times would, to my mind, say something good about England rugby fans. It would show that they are grown-up enough to recognise that there is an issue here, and big enough to change as a result. If it's "only a song", why not pick another?

      In my case, not singing in response to an article published by the "enemy of the people", and to pleas by liberal US academics, represents a middle finger to Donald Trump. But that too is my personal choice.
       

      Honestly, some people are never happy unless they're perpetually offended by something.
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      Reply #493: Mar 11, 2017 11:20:17 am
      I used to enjoy singing 'Swing Low, Sweet Chariot' – but when I found out what it meant, I felt sick

      The choruses of ‘Swing Low, Sweet Chariot’ that break out when England plays rugby can be quite something.

      It’s hard not to get swept up when it rings out during the build-up to a match, even more so when the team is on the field of play.

      I’m more of a sports fan than I am a rugby fun. I've attended a huge variety of events. They range from the grandeur of the FIFA World Cup and the Olympics to the more earthy charms of an evening race meeting at a French trotting track in Normandy and a Minor League baseball match in Nashville, Tennessee.

      Even when set against the atmosphere at the former pair, those choruses of ‘Swing Low’ stand out. Rousing when the team is playing well, they provide the soothing balm of “we’re all in this together” when they’re not.

      The New York Times, however, has put a rather different spin on the song's use, suggesting it might actually be grossly offensive to turn a spiritual from the slave-owning era in America into something as trivial as a sporting anthem.

      The newspaper recently sought the views of academics on its use by rugby fans generally, and those of England in particular. They were horrified. Take the reaction of Arthur Jones, a music history professor and founder of the Spiritual Project at the University of Denver. He told the newspaper that the situation reminded him of American sports teams who use Native American names and imagery, "in that a group of people seemed to be free-associating with imagery largely disconnected from its history".

      “My first reaction is absolute shock – and I actually understand it when I think about it – but that’s my first reaction,” Jones said. “I feel kind of sad. I feel like the story of American chattel slavery and this incredible cultural tradition, built up within a community of people who were victims and often seen as incapable of standing up for themselves, [makes for] such a powerful story that I want the whole world to know about it."

      At this point there will be those who charge in with accusations of “political correctness gone mad”, all the more so given the fact that the controversy has been stoked by academics speaking to a bastion of prissy American liberalism, otherwise known in this Trumpian era as “the enemy of the people”.

      I'd imagine the crux of their argument would rest on the lack of anything resembling ill intent on the part of the fans. And that is true. This is not the same as the singing of ‘No Surrender to the IRA’ to the tune of the hymn ‘Give Me Joy In My Heart’ by a minority of England football fans nearly two decades since the signing of the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland.

      A significant number among those that sing that song are well aware of its political overtones, and of its use as a marching song by the far-right English Defence League. Their intent is explicitly political, malign and racist.

      The use of ‘Swing Low’ by rugby fans is different. When England’s Mako Vunipola, who is of Tongan descent, was made aware of its origins, he shrugged it off, telling the Daily Telegraph: “If the fans want to sing it then let them sing it, but obviously if people find it offensive then sorry.”

      I imagine the majority of England fans would buy into that.

      Until you consider the lyrics. When I read them, and thought about them, I felt slightly sick because they are a call for the release of death by a slave who has been brutally mistreated.

      Then I recalled the aforementioned trip to Nashville and the American South. The ugly legacy of slavery was everywhere. Some of what we saw in museums about how it operated was truly horrifying. Set against that, the use of the song in a sporting context? Well it makes me shudder, anyway.

      It is certainly possible to over-moralise. But I still don’t think it is "political correctness gone mad" to suggest that it might be a nice idea to show willingness to consider other people's feelings and to refrain from singing a song if its use is considered insulting or out of order. It is simply a matter of being respectful.

      Of course, it ultimately has to be a personal decision. Not singing is just mine. There are many who feel like Vunipola, and that’s understandable, as Jones recognised. There are also many who, while they might have misgivings if they thought about it, would still join in after the belly full of beer that is de rigeur at a trip to the rugby.

      Still, not singing the song in response to a plea from US academics and the New York Times would, to my mind, say something good about England rugby fans. It would show that they are grown-up enough to recognise that there is an issue here, and big enough to change as a result. If it's "only a song", why not pick another?

      In my case, not singing in response to an article published by the "enemy of the people", and to pleas by liberal US academics, represents a middle finger to Donald Trump. But that too is my personal choice.
       

      Honestly, some people are never happy unless they're perpetually offended by something.

      Disappointed to find out that it isn't actually about swinging
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      Reply #494: Mar 11, 2017 12:40:50 pm
      I used to enjoy singing 'Swing Low, Sweet Chariot' – but when I found out what it meant, I felt sick

      The choruses of ‘Swing Low, Sweet Chariot’ that break out when England plays rugby can be quite something.

      It’s hard not to get swept up when it rings out during the build-up to a match, even more so when the team is on the field of play.

      I’m more of a sports fan than I am a rugby fun. I've attended a huge variety of events. They range from the grandeur of the FIFA World Cup and the Olympics to the more earthy charms of an evening race meeting at a French trotting track in Normandy and a Minor League baseball match in Nashville, Tennessee.

      Even when set against the atmosphere at the former pair, those choruses of ‘Swing Low’ stand out. Rousing when the team is playing well, they provide the soothing balm of “we’re all in this together” when they’re not.

      The New York Times, however, has put a rather different spin on the song's use, suggesting it might actually be grossly offensive to turn a spiritual from the slave-owning era in America into something as trivial as a sporting anthem.

      The newspaper recently sought the views of academics on its use by rugby fans generally, and those of England in particular. They were horrified. Take the reaction of Arthur Jones, a music history professor and founder of the Spiritual Project at the University of Denver. He told the newspaper that the situation reminded him of American sports teams who use Native American names and imagery, "in that a group of people seemed to be free-associating with imagery largely disconnected from its history".

      “My first reaction is absolute shock – and I actually understand it when I think about it – but that’s my first reaction,” Jones said. “I feel kind of sad. I feel like the story of American chattel slavery and this incredible cultural tradition, built up within a community of people who were victims and often seen as incapable of standing up for themselves, [makes for] such a powerful story that I want the whole world to know about it."

      At this point there will be those who charge in with accusations of “political correctness gone mad”, all the more so given the fact that the controversy has been stoked by academics speaking to a bastion of prissy American liberalism, otherwise known in this Trumpian era as “the enemy of the people”.

      I'd imagine the crux of their argument would rest on the lack of anything resembling ill intent on the part of the fans. And that is true. This is not the same as the singing of ‘No Surrender to the IRA’ to the tune of the hymn ‘Give Me Joy In My Heart’ by a minority of England football fans nearly two decades since the signing of the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland.

      A significant number among those that sing that song are well aware of its political overtones, and of its use as a marching song by the far-right English Defence League. Their intent is explicitly political, malign and racist.

      The use of ‘Swing Low’ by rugby fans is different. When England’s Mako Vunipola, who is of Tongan descent, was made aware of its origins, he shrugged it off, telling the Daily Telegraph: “If the fans want to sing it then let them sing it, but obviously if people find it offensive then sorry.”

      I imagine the majority of England fans would buy into that.

      Until you consider the lyrics. When I read them, and thought about them, I felt slightly sick because they are a call for the release of death by a slave who has been brutally mistreated.

      Then I recalled the aforementioned trip to Nashville and the American South. The ugly legacy of slavery was everywhere. Some of what we saw in museums about how it operated was truly horrifying. Set against that, the use of the song in a sporting context? Well it makes me shudder, anyway.

      It is certainly possible to over-moralise. But I still don’t think it is "political correctness gone mad" to suggest that it might be a nice idea to show willingness to consider other people's feelings and to refrain from singing a song if its use is considered insulting or out of order. It is simply a matter of being respectful.

      Of course, it ultimately has to be a personal decision. Not singing is just mine. There are many who feel like Vunipola, and that’s understandable, as Jones recognised. There are also many who, while they might have misgivings if they thought about it, would still join in after the belly full of beer that is de rigeur at a trip to the rugby.

      Still, not singing the song in response to a plea from US academics and the New York Times would, to my mind, say something good about England rugby fans. It would show that they are grown-up enough to recognise that there is an issue here, and big enough to change as a result. If it's "only a song", why not pick another?

      In my case, not singing in response to an article published by the "enemy of the people", and to pleas by liberal US academics, represents a middle finger to Donald Trump. But that too is my personal choice.
       

      Honestly, some people are never happy unless they're perpetually offended by something.

      I'll be honest Beer, I've read that article twice now and still none the wiser why people are complaining.
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      Reply #495: Mar 14, 2017 04:22:12 pm
      Dude that wrote the article must be a scot,must be sick of hearing it after the weekend battering the sweaty's took.men,women, u-20's,swing low ya fuckers.p.s i don't like rugby.
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      Reply #496: Jun 24, 2017 11:05:47 am
      Reckon those allblacks have got a chance
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      Reply #497: Jun 24, 2017 12:02:23 pm
      All blacks on another level, sometimes you just have to admire brilliance.
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      Reply #498: Jul 01, 2017 10:29:09 am
      The British Lions beat the All Blacks 24-21 in the second test.Sonny Bill Williams was sent off (red card) in the first half for head butting one of the Lions.The 3rd and final test will be next Saturday in Auckland.
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      Reply #499: Jul 01, 2017 10:37:33 am
      The British Lions beat the All Blacks 24-21 in the second test.Sonny Bill Williams was sent off (red card) in the first half for head butting one of the Lions.The 3rd and final test will be next Saturday in Auckland.
      Don't think it was a head butt, shoulder to head
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      Reply #500: Jul 01, 2017 10:51:07 am
      Don't think it was a head butt, shoulder to head

      You are correct,it was a shoulder to head,cheers
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      Reply #501: Jul 01, 2017 11:03:22 am
      Was rooting for the All Blacks there but fair play to the Lions I guess......Always found the way a little nation like New Zealand can have a sport utterly embedded in their DNA and dominate the world utterly compelling.

      Otherwise rugby doesn't do much for me and the whole British & Irish Lions concept is alien to me.......especially when you see fans kissing the badge  :roll: but each to their own.
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      Reply #502: Jul 01, 2017 11:44:32 am
      You are correct,it was a shoulder to head,cheers

      No worries,  either way i bet it hurt
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      Reply #503: Jul 01, 2017 01:30:14 pm
      GET THE FUCK IN!

      Amazing last 10 minutes, well played boys!
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      Reply #504: Jul 01, 2017 01:30:49 pm
      F***ing awesome win! Well chuffed!
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      Reply #505: Jul 08, 2017 10:32:13 am
      What a tour, well done to everyone in red. Shame they can't go on and play a decider.
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      Reply #506: Jul 08, 2017 10:34:06 am
      The British Lions drew with the All Blacks 15-15 and drew the 3 test series,so well done to the Lions.
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      Reply #507: Jul 08, 2017 10:36:03 am
      Superb series that.

      Feels like a bit of an anti-climax though.
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      Reply #508: Jul 08, 2017 11:03:36 am
      Superb series that.

      Feels like a bit of an anti-climax though.

      I think it was a fair result  and the Lions deserve full credit.
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      Reply #509: Feb 03, 2018 02:29:11 pm
      Here we go!

      6 Nations time again.

      Scotland being humped so far by Wales.

      Referee has given a free kick for a squint feed into a scrum, that was very interesting as feeds have been squint for YEARS without refs picking up on it. Could be a story to watch this year.

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