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      England National Football Team

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      RedWilly
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      Reply #3565: Jul 15, 2024 10:51:45 pm
      He played him for one reason.

      He's simply too afraid of any fallout if he left him out and things didn't go well.

      You’d think after the autopsy of the original ‘golden generation’ the FA would have learnt the lesson of hiring an average manager to a group of top quality players and the consequences of not choosing on merit.

      Sven would have felt the severe pressure from English media of dropping those top players. That pressure isn’t the same anymore.

      Despite the hype, the English media have nowhere near the influence today as they did when Beckham was their golden boy. And most importantly, fans I feel are less tribal around the England team specifically these days - back then it was a more hostile environment. Even the players from that era acknowledge they didn’t talk and were thinking of the games they had upcoming with each other. It was a more competitive league back then and the players were all competing for leagues and European cups with each other. You wouldn’t want to give an inch in that environment.

      Southgate is buckling to media pressure that barely exists anymore by not dropping Kane. No one would really care that much.
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      Reply #3566: Jul 15, 2024 11:48:26 pm
      You’d think after the autopsy of the original ‘golden generation’ the FA would have learnt the lesson of hiring an average manager to a group of top quality players and the consequences of not choosing on merit.

      Sven would have felt the severe pressure from English media of dropping those top players. That pressure isn’t the same anymore.

      Despite the hype, the English media have nowhere near the influence today as they did when Beckham was their golden boy. And most importantly, fans I feel are less tribal around the England team specifically these days - back then it was a more hostile environment. Even the players from that era acknowledge they didn’t talk and were thinking of the games they had upcoming with each other. It was a more competitive league back then and the players were all competing for leagues and European cups with each other. You wouldn’t want to give an inch in that environment.

      Southgate is buckling to media pressure that barely exists anymore by not dropping Kane. No one would really care that much.
      Of course these days there are two distinct media's...Mainstream and Social and the hostile environment you mention was from a time when newspapers had enormous power and influence. That is all but gone. Social media now dominates and drives the public narrative. I can't remember a time when England's players were described as anything but "A Golden generation" it's a lazy label tagged on by a lazy press.
      All sport is about winning and as England limped through this one and miraculously into the final....as late as yesterday afternoon Southgate was deemed as being on the verge of greatness. As long as they were still in it, most fans and commentators were prepared to suspend their criticism...football being a funny old game etc. Remember, though England didn't play well yesterday...they were still in it with 5 minutes to play, bizarrely they could have won it, and today's news would have been completely different.
      As for Kane, he was shockingly off form throughout and it was clear to anyone that he wasn't contributing. But, could Southgate drop him...the Captain?...who scored 40+ goals last season...I'm not sure he could...he should have. It was a Ronaldo/Martinez situation with the profile of the player dominating...It's something we see a lot...even with us...How many times did Klopp leave an out of form Salah on the pitch last season?
      Southgate was under pressure from the first fixture, but as they progressed that pressure slowly evaporated...but soon as you lose and you're out...It's back with a vengeance.
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      Reply #3567: Jul 16, 2024 12:10:52 am
      The best compliment I can pay Southgate is that he's done a relatively good job to the extent that his dinosaur tactics have allowed. Other such dinosaurs (both as men and tactically) came nowhere near the latter stages let alone finals. He's also in my view carried himself well, behaving with modesty and respect, despite a huge amount of outside noise. Modern in some ways, but not his tactics.
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      Re: England National Football Team
      Reply #3568: Jul 16, 2024 07:39:08 am
      A real company man isn't he Gareth.

      The FA will be the one organisation desperate to keep him for a quiet life.
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      Reply #3569: Jul 16, 2024 10:02:34 am
      Let's be honest, if Southgate had the same draws as some of his predecessors he would have been sacked ages ago.

      Colombia and Sweden in 2018 - lost to Belgium x2 and Croatia. Germany (in transition), Ukraine and Denmark in 2021 - lost to Italy. Senegal in 2022 - lost to France. Slovakia, Switzerland and Netherlands (again an out of sorts 'big nation') this time around - lost to Spain.

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      Reply #3570: Jul 16, 2024 11:02:02 am
      Southgate resigned, thank fcuk
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      Reply #3571: Jul 16, 2024 11:17:34 am
      Klopp to have his break then come and lead us a World Cup in 2026  :clap:
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      Reply #3572: Jul 16, 2024 11:41:37 am
      Klopp to have his break then come and lead us a World Cup in 2026  :clap:

      He won’t go near the England job
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      Re: England National Football Team
      Reply #3573: Jul 16, 2024 11:46:42 am

      Same could go for the other overrated c**t in Bellingham, for a £100 million he doesn't half struggle to keep hold of the ball without giving it away.
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      Re: England National Football Team
      Reply #3574: Jul 16, 2024 11:48:03 am
      He played him for one reason.

      He's simply too afraid of any fallout if he left him out and things didn't go well.

      Similar to Taylor with Lineker in 92
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      Reply #3575: Jul 16, 2024 11:49:04 am
      He won’t go near the England job

      Wouldn't even apply.
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      Reply #3576: Jul 16, 2024 11:49:06 am

      Let’s hope he’s on his way to you lot
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      Re: England National Football Team
      Reply #3577: Jul 16, 2024 11:50:55 am
      Big names on the shortlist supposedly are Eddie Howe and Graham Potter.
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      Reply #3578: Jul 16, 2024 11:51:26 am
      Let’s hope he’s on his way to you lot

      Not you as well. 😂 ETH just signed a contract, not that that means much theses days.
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      Reply #3579: Jul 16, 2024 11:57:49 am
      Not you as well. 😂 ETH just signed a contract, not that that means much theses days.
      We here all want our early Christmas gift. Roll on December...  :soccer_h4h:
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      Reply #3580: Jul 16, 2024 12:17:30 pm
      We here all want our early Christmas gift. Roll on December...  :soccer_h4h:

      Bet you £20 he won't be at United come Christmas? come on! don't be a pussy now.  :lmao: Ill donate my winning to charity.
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      Reply #3581: Jul 16, 2024 12:23:06 pm
      Gut feeling was always Potter to replace Southgate.

      Reckon Moyes to replace Clarke for Scotland too.
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      Re: England National Football Team
      Reply #3582: Jul 16, 2024 12:50:33 pm
      Edit: double post...
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      Re: England National Football Team
      Reply #3583: Jul 16, 2024 12:52:37 pm
      Bet you £20 he won't be at United come Christmas? come on! don't be a pussy now.  :lmao: Ill donate my winning to charity.
      Don't gamble pal. Fool's game...
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      Re: England National Football Team
      Reply #3584: Jul 16, 2024 12:58:24 pm

      Not when you are on a sure thing like Keith was.  ;D
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      Reply #3585: Jul 16, 2024 01:38:27 pm
      Not when you are on a sure thing like Keith was.  ;D

      He’s a pussy. 😂😂😂
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      Re: England National Football Team
      Reply #3586: Jul 16, 2024 02:06:30 pm
      Gamblers only ever tell you about their winnings  :champ:
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      Re: England National Football Team
      Reply #3587: Jul 16, 2024 02:34:17 pm
      Gamblers only ever tell you about their winnings  :champ:

      That’s true Kurt, especially losers 😂 However, I know 5/6 of you lot on here that long term know I’m not a loser. 😉😎😉


      Ps… I must be a loser posting on here all the time.  :lmao:

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