The Paranormal Thread

Pluto is no longer considered a planet, and I would be more inclined to believe that this is the result of matter coalescing, as it inevitably does in an orbit where massive amounts of matter are orbiting in close proximity.

That maye be true to some degree, but plutoi has 4 moons orbiting it, so many scientist still argue it should be classed as a planet.

Yes, its' one of the known dwarf planets, so I doubt it's classed as Planet X

That maye be true to some degree, but plutoi has 4 moons orbiting it, so many scientist still argue it should be classed as a planet.

Problem is, it has very few of the requirements that make a planet, and the so-called moons are thought to be bits that have broken off because it is not large enough to keep its structure under its own gravity (sorry for the clumsy way of putting it, but I'm tired and my brain is mush)

Pluto is part of the Kuiper belt which contains many bodies. There are many other large bodies in its orbit and so the question is where do we draw the line. It would be excessive to start classifying all these bodies as planets. If Pluto was the dominant body in its orbit then it could be classified as a planet.

Sorry if this is the wrong thread but have any of you read up on HAARP and chemtrails left by it, these chemtrails apparently seen hours before Tsunami in Japan and earthquake in China.

Pluto is part of the Kuiper belt which contains many bodies. There are many other large bodies in its orbit and so the question is where do we draw the line. It would be excessive to start classifying all these bodies as planets. If Pluto was the dominant body in its orbit then it could be classified as a planet.

Many eminemt scientists disagree.

Many eminemt scientists disagree.

Depends what you mean by "eminent"

Fungusnose is known as "the elder statesman" of the premier league, and is considered "eminent" by many of his contempories.

Doesn't make it true

It's not really a case of agreeing or disagreeing. The International Astronomical Union decided to formulate a definition of what constitutes a planet and dominance of that planet's planetary orbit was decided by consensus to be a key part of the definition of a planet. While many scientists may disagree with this definition, that is the definition so it's a case of like it or lump it for scientists.
I grew up considering Pluto to be a planet and I probably still consider it to be one but I cannot in my job start calling it a planet.

Depends what you mean by "eminent"

What I mean by eminent is leading scientists and astrologists in the study of the solar system, Eugene Shoemaker late husband of Jean Shoemaker who co discovered the Shoemaker Levy 9 commet that hit jupiter with Eugene who also put in a lot of the groundwork for finding the meteor crater that wiped out the dinosaurs being one of those eminent scientists.

He is also the only man to be burried on the moon to date, you can't get much more eminent than that.

Sorry if this is the wrong thread but have any of you read up on HAARP and chemtrails left by it, these chemtrails apparently seen hours before Tsunami in Japan and earthquake in China.

Possibly one for the conspiracy theory thread. Bollocks in my opinion (and I have done a limited amount of reading on HAARP and contrails).

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Mayan Documentary Will Show Evidence of Alien Contact, Says Mexico (Exclusive)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/26/idUS333894436320110926

EXCLUSIVE

A new documentary about Mayan civilization will provide evidence of extraterrestrial contact with the ancient culture, according to a Mexican government official and the film's producer.

"Revelations of the Mayans 2012 and Beyond," currently in production, will claim the Mayans had contact with extraterrestrials, producer Raul Julia-Levy revealed to TheWrap.

"Mexico will release codices, artifacts and significant documents with evidence of Mayan and extraterrestrial contact, and all of their information will be corroborated by archaeologists," said Julia-Levy, son of actor Raul Julia.

In a release to TheWrap, Luis Augusto Garcia Rosado, the minister of tourism for the Mexican state of Campeche, said new evidence has emerged "of contact between the Mayans and extraterrestrials, supported by translations of certain codices, which the government has kept secure in underground vaults for some time."

He also spoke, in a phone conversation, of "landing pads in the jungle that are 3,000 years old."

Raul-Julia claims there is proof that the Mayans had intended to lead the planet for thousands of years, but were forced to escape after an invasion by "men of dark intentions," leaving behind evidence of an advanced race.

"The Mexican government is not making this statement on their own -- everything we say, we're going to back it up," he said.

The film will be directed by Juan Carlos Rulfo, who won the Humanitas Prize for "Those Who Remain" in 2009 and the Sundance Grand Jury Prize for International Documentary for "In the Pit" in 2006. Juan Diego Rodriguez Gonzalez will serve as the Guatemalan executive producer, and Eduardo Vertiz as the Mexican executive producer.

And yes, they expect people to take this seriously, because the messages he plans to impart are crucial to human survival, Julia-Levy insisted.
 

When Julia-Levy, producer Ed Elbert and co-producer Sheila McCarthy announced the Mexican cooperation with their documentary to TheWrap in August, they were circumspect about claims of alien contact, with Julia-Levy admitting he'd been ordered not to say anything about it.

Also read: Mayan Secrets to Be Revealed by Mexican Government in 2012 Doc

Also for that article, Rosado brushed off a question about alient contact and said his country wa simply offering the filmmakers' access to previously unexplored sections of a Mayan site at Calakmul (left).

Now, not only has Rosado changed his tune, but the Guatemalan government has joined the project, as well, giving access to artifacts and newly discovered prophecies

While the Guatemalan government is not offering information about aliens, it has joined Mexico in supporting the project. "Guatemala, like Mexico, home to the ancient yet advanced Mayan civilization … has also kept certain provocative archeological discoveries classified, and now believes that it is time to bring forth this information in the new documentary," Guatemala's minister of tourism, Guillermo Novielli Quezada, said in a statement.

He said the country was working with filmmakers "for the good of mankind."

Raul-Julia claims that the order to cooperate came directly from the country's president, Alvaro Colom Caballero.

Guatemala is the site of a large number of pre-Columbian Mayan settlements in the Mirador Basin, including the extensive and highly organized city of El Mirador (detail, left; exterior on previous page).

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By Steve Pond at TheWrap

Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:52am EDT

EXCLUSIVE

A new documentary about Mayan civilization will provide evidence of extraterrestrial contact with the ancient culture, according to a Mexican government official and the film's producer.

"Revelations of the Mayans 2012 and Beyond," currently in production, will claim the Mayans had contact with extraterrestrials, producer Raul Julia-Levy revealed to TheWrap.

"Mexico will release codices, artifacts and significant documents with evidence of Mayan and extraterrestrial contact, and all of their information will be corroborated by archaeologists," said Julia-Levy, son of actor Raul Julia.

In a release to TheWrap, Luis Augusto Garcia Rosado, the minister of tourism for the Mexican state of Campeche, said new evidence has emerged "of contact between the Mayans and extraterrestrials, supported by translations of certain codices, which the government has kept secure in underground vaults for some time."

He also spoke, in a phone conversation, of "landing pads in the jungle that are 3,000 years old."

Raul-Julia claims there is proof that the Mayans had intended to lead the planet for thousands of years, but were forced to escape after an invasion by "men of dark intentions," leaving behind evidence of an advanced race.

"The Mexican government is not making this statement on their own -- everything we say, we're going to back it up," he said.

The film will be directed by Juan Carlos Rulfo, who won the Humanitas Prize for "Those Who Remain" in 2009 and the Sundance Grand Jury Prize for International Documentary for "In the Pit" in 2006. Juan Diego Rodriguez Gonzalez will serve as the Guatemalan executive producer, and Eduardo Vertiz as the Mexican executive producer.

And yes, they expect people to take this seriously, because the messages he plans to impart are crucial to human survival, Julia-Levy insisted.
 

When Julia-Levy, producer Ed Elbert and co-producer Sheila McCarthy announced the Mexican cooperation with their documentary to TheWrap in August, they were circumspect about claims of alien contact, with Julia-Levy admitting he'd been ordered not to say anything about it.

Also read: Mayan Secrets to Be Revealed by Mexican Government in 2012 Doc

Also for that article, Rosado brushed off a question about alient contact and said his country wa simply offering the filmmakers' access to previously unexplored sections of a Mayan site at Calakmul (left).

Now, not only has Rosado changed his tune, but the Guatemalan government has joined the project, as well, giving access to artifacts and newly discovered prophecies

While the Guatemalan government is not offering information about aliens, it has joined Mexico in supporting the project. "Guatemala, like Mexico, home to the ancient yet advanced Mayan civilization … has also kept certain provocative archeological discoveries classified, and now believes that it is time to bring forth this information in the new documentary," Guatemala's minister of tourism, Guillermo Novielli Quezada, said in a statement.

He said the country was working with filmmakers "for the good of mankind."

Raul-Julia claims that the order to cooperate came directly from the country's president, Alvaro Colom Caballero.

Guatemala is the site of a large number of pre-Columbian Mayan settlements in the Mirador Basin, including the extensive and highly organized city of El Mirador (detail, left; exterior on previous page).

In a curious aspect of the new announcement: Guatemalan minister Quezada is quoted as referring to “'Mirador,' the largest pyramid in the world."

But Mirador is not the name of a pyramid. It's the name of the entire settlement, which includes several pyramids, the largest of which is La Danta -- a fact one would expect the Guatemalan minister to know. 

"Revelations of the Mayans 2012 and Beyond" begins shooting on Nov. 15 and is due for a theatrical release in late 2012, before the end of the Mayan calendar.

While doomsday scenarios focus on the calendar ending on Dec. 21, 2012, many scholars point out that it simply resets for another 5,126-year cycle on that date.

(El Mirador photos by E. Hernandez/courtesy of fares de Guatemala)
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Mayan Documentary Will Show Evidence of Alien Contact, Says Mexico (Exclusive)

Stuff....

Am I alone in thinking that the gradual drip drip of information regarding aliens is gathering momentum heading towards some kind of reveal?

Am I alone in thinking that the gradual drip drip of information regarding aliens is gathering momentum heading towards some kind of reveal?

Nah, its one of the greatest tricks houdini ever pulled,misdirection.

Nah, its one of the greatest tricks houdini ever pulled,misdirection.

Houdini done tricks with Viagra?

I'm amazed.

Am I alone in thinking that the gradual drip drip of information regarding aliens is gathering momentum heading towards some kind of reveal?

Abstract.

Visible Only From Above, Mystifying 'Nazca Lines' Discovered in Mideast

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/visible-only-above-mystifying-nazca-lines-discovered-mideast-114306688.html



They stretch from Syria to Saudi Arabia, can be seen from the air but not the ground, and are virtually unknown to the public.

They are the Middle East's own version of the Nazca Lines — ancient "geolyphs," or drawings, that span deserts in southern Peru — and now, thanks to new satellite-mapping technologies, and an aerial photography program in Jordan, researchers are discovering more of them than ever before. They number well into the thousands.

Referred to by archaeologists as "wheels," these stone structures have a wide variety of designs, with a common one being a circle with spokes radiating inside. Researchers believe that they date back to antiquity, at least 2,000 years ago. They are often found on lava fields and range from 82 feet to 230 feet (25 meters to 70 meters) across. [See gallery of wheel structures]

 "In Jordan alone we've got stone-built structures that are far more numerous than (the) Nazca Lines, far more extensive in the area that they cover, and far older," said David Kennedy, a professor of classics and ancient history at the University of Western Australia.

Kennedy's new research, which will be published in a forthcoming issue of the Journal of Archaeological Science, reveals that these wheels form part of a variety of stone landscapes. These include kites (stone structures used for funnelling and killing animals); pendants (lines of stone cairns that run from burials); and walls, mysterious structures that meander across the landscape for up to several hundred feet and have no apparent practical use.

His team's studies are part of a long-term aerial reconnaissance project that is looking at archaeological sites across Jordan. As of now, Kennedy and his colleagues are puzzled as to what the structures may have been used for or what meaning they held. [History's Most Overlooked Mysteries]

Fascinating structures

Kennedy's main area of expertise is in Roman archaeology, but he became fascinated by these structures when, as a student, he read accounts of Royal Air Force pilots flying over them in the 1920s on airmail routes across Jordan. "You can't not be fascinated by these things," Kennedy said.

Indeed, in 1927 RAF Flight Lt. Percy Maitland published an account of the ruins in the journal Antiquity. He reported encountering them over "lava country" and said that they, along with the other stone structures, are known to the Bedouin as the "works of the old men."

Kennedy and his team have been studying the structures using aerial photography and Google Earth, as the wheels are hard to pick up from the ground, Kennedy said.

"Sometimes when you're actually there on the site you can make out something of a pattern but not very easily," he said. "Whereas if you go up just a hundred feet or so it, for me, comes sharply into focus what the shape is."

The designs must have been clearer when they were originally built. "People have probably walked over them, walked past them, for centuries, millennia, without having any clear idea what the shape was."

(The team has created an archive of images of the wheels from various sites in the Middle East.)

What were they used for?

So far, none of the wheels appears to have been excavated, something that makes dating them, and finding out their purpose, more difficult. Archaeologists studying them in the pre-Google Earth era speculated that they could be the remains of houses or cemeteries. Kennedy said that neither of these explanations seems to work out well.

"There seems to be some overarching cultural continuum in this area in which people felt there was a need to build structures that were circular."

Some of the wheels are found in isolation while others are clustered together. At one location, near the Azraq Oasis, hundreds of them can be found clustered into a dozen groups. "Some of these collections around Azraq are really quite remarkable," Kennedy said.

In Saudi Arabia, Kennedy's team has found wheel styles that are quite different: Some are rectangular and are not wheels at all; others are circular but contain two spokes forming a bar often aligned in the same direction that the sun rises and sets in the Middle East.

The ones in Jordan and Syria, on the other hand, have numerous spokes and do not seem to be aligned with any astronomical phenomena. "On looking at large numbers of these, over a number of years, I wasn't struck by any pattern in the way in which the spokes were laid out," Kennedy said.

Cairns are often found associated with the wheels. Sometimes they circle the perimeter of the wheel, other times they are in among the spokes. In Saudi Arabia some of the cairns look, from the air, like they are associated with ancient burials.

Dating the wheels is difficult, since they appear to be prehistoric, but could date to as recently as 2,000 years ago. The researchers have noted that the wheels are often found on top of kites, which date as far back as 9,000 years, but never vice versa. "That suggests that wheels are more recent than the kites," Kennedy said.

Amelia Sparavigna, a physics professor at Politecnico di Torino in Italy, told Live Science in an email that she agrees these structures can be referred to as geoglyphs in the same way as the Nazca Lines are. "If we define a 'geoglyph' as a wide sign on the ground of artificial origin, the stone circles are geoglyphs," Sparavignawrote in her email.

The function of the wheels may also have been similar to the enigmatic drawings in the Nazca desert. [Science as Art: A Gallery]

 "If we consider, more generally, the stone circles as worship places of ancestors, or places for rituals connected with astronomical events or with seasons, they could have the same function of [the] geoglyphs of South America, the Nazca Lines for instance. The design is different, but the function could be the same," she wrote in her email.

Kennedy said that for now the meaning of the wheels remains a mystery. "The question is what was the purpose?"

In relation to planet x...

If it excisted, which it doesnt,but if it did, dont you think that it would be quite clear in our sky by now, to the naked eye that is.

Nibiru,its other name, turnes out to be Jupiter it was the name the sumerians used for it.

So all in all far more likely to have an alien visit/invasion whatever ye want to call it then we are of a rogue planet hitting us

Am I alone in thinking that the gradual drip drip of information regarding aliens is gathering momentum heading towards some kind of reveal?

There's always been a drip drip of information but it doesn't mean anything. The greatest interest seemed to be around the mid 90s when the X files was at its peak but those around when Roswell was reported might also say interest was greater then. I'm not anticipating Disclosure in my lifetime.

The video on here is worth a watch.

http://darkdata.net/moon-rising/

It shows imaged that have been blurred by Nasa, with one showing a structure the size of los angeles or san fransico, one or the two any way by a crater, then when a second picture of the same crater was analysed, the giant structure wasn't there.

Los Angeles is 468.67 square miles. The 'machine' is ten times that; so 4,686.7 square miles. The 'giant humanoid', therefore, appears to be at least 4 mile tall. Wow. Imagine the size of his cock.  

"The Greatest Story Ever Denied"? There's wiser chewing grass.

People are quick to dismiss the thought of anything out of line with what science tells us, but there is so much that is dismissed by science because scientists/archeologists etc don't want to be ridiculed, they would tell you one thing in a professional manner but another thing all together off the record.

As a species we have a forgotten history, its never been documented, but there is plenty of evidence around the globe, that contradicts every thing we are taught.

This is an excellent video and shows some of the things that do not fit in, with what we are taught about our origins.

UFOTV Presents... - Forbidden Archeology - Secret Discoveries of Early Man - Full Feature