Nemeth Deserves a nod ahead of N'gog?

I am not Rafa and I strongly respect the decisions of the best coach on the planet but I strongly believe that Nemeth is far better than N'gog. Nemeth has all it takes to develop into a quality partner for Torres but Ngog can never partner Torres and would never be a quarter as good. Nemeth drops to midfield and helps to build up play with his classical backheels. What do you think about this fans? YNWA

Nemeth would of got the chance to get a few games in but unlucky for him he got hurt which open the door for Ngog who started slow but got better as he got more experience playing with the first team. Also the fact he went out on loan and first game got hurt which again is the last thing you want when you are trying to break into a team.

I think that,Ngog is better play in front "Target man"

I am not Rafa and I strongly respect the decisions of the best coach on the planet but I strongly believe that Nemeth is far better than N'gog. Nemeth has all it takes to develop into a quality partner for Torres but Ngog can never partner Torres and would never be a quarter as good. Nemeth drops to midfield and helps to build up play with his classical backheels. What do you think about this fans? YNWA

Classical back heels eh. Which symphony are they?

How many times have you watched Ngog play by the way? Personally I'd like them both to be given chances. In pre season.

I've seen a few games with Ngog and I wasn't in particularly impressed with what he had to offer.

Meanwhile, before I'd even heard of David Ngog, I was monitoring how well Nemeth was doing in the reserves.  I think Nemeth has waiting long enough to be given the nod TBH.

As Kenny has said, give them both a good go in pre season.

I think they'll both get their chances in early and late pre season with Torres coming back later than usual. I'm looking forward to seeing how Nemeth fairs with players like Stevie, Kuyt and Torres around him.

Nemeth is a class act.

But you're comparing oranges with apples. Different players, different roles. Maybe Nemeth can be back-up to Gerrard, but Ngog has the attributes to stand in for Torres.

Also, we've only seen Nemeth in the reserves. Ngog has three first team goals, at a good per-minute rate.

Did you see Ngog's reserve game against Newcastle towards the end of last season? He tore them to bits, was superb. But you're comparing what you know about Nemeth from the reserves to what has been seen of Ngog in the first team.

i think that nemeth is a good foward i would like to see him play a bit more in the first team try to blood more youth players into the first team like they have done with darby,spearing,insua  also Daniel Pacheco  was playing some pre season games last term would like to see him a bit more

I believe Nemeth deserves his chance. I've seen some videos of him on youtube(yes, I know they only put the good stuffs in) and he is a good player.

He seems more of a runner than N'gog to me. I can imagine Nemeth racing on to a through ball taking on a defender but I can't imagine that with N'gog.

N'Gog needs to go on loan somewhere in England imo... Give Nemeth his chance

N'Gog needs to goon loan somewhere in England imo

How about the Gooners?

Did you see Ngog's reserve game against Newcastle towards the end of last season?

He was on fire in that game. The gulf in quality was clear to see.

There's been many times Nemeth has been by far the best player on the pitch whilst playing for the reserves in the past. He's a great player in my opinion - seems to have that natural ability.

But I think Ngog has got the edge over him in the sense that Ngog is pretty much in the first team category and Nemeth has been a regular reserve player.

Agreed on them being different types of players, so in that sense it makes them more difficult to compare.

If Nemeth keeps working hard and shows the right attitude on and off the pitch, I think it's only fair he should get a chance this season. But I've got a feeling it wont be at the expense of Ngog.

I would definatley give the lad a few run-outs this season. From what i have seen of him in the reserves which i admit isnt the whole course of the season but a fair few games, he has quality.

Ngog has not exactly set the world alight but he too deserves his chance.

Let's hope they impress !

He 100% does, N'Gog is the biggest waste of space to ever grace the fields on the Tin Mine.

He 100% does, N'Gog is the biggest waste of space to ever grace the fields on the Tin Mine.

This is probably the dumbest post I've read in a while?.. *yawn*..

He 100% does, N'Gog is the biggest waste of space to ever grace the fields on the Tin Mine.

Think he's here on a wind up. A few of his/hers posts have been a bit silly.

Would like to see both Nemeth and Ngog given run out's pre-season, personally speaking Pacheco should be given a chance to come of the bench and see how he get's on in games that we are cruising

Would like to see both Nemeth and Ngog given run out's pre-season, personally speaking Pacheco should be given a chance to come of the bench and see how he get's on in games that we are cruising

Would like to see both Nemeth and Ngog given run out's pre-season, personally speaking Pacheco should be given a chance to come of the bench and see how he get's on in games that we are cruising

would not leave de la valle out of the equation though

N'gog did well last season and he scored goals I think both nemeth and N'gog should play because they both have the potential to be good players in the future

He 100% does, N'Gog is the biggest waste of space to ever grace the fields on the Tin Mine.

This poster needs to be removed from our site immediately. True fans support their players with consideration, not dismiss them out of hand.Ok mods by all means tolerate a few drunken/ill-worded posts, but when the obvious stares you in the face, f*ck them off please.

How about the Gooners?

Just because some of us can't afford real space bars doesn't mean youmakefunofit

Howaboutyougobuyonethen. Tightarse

I think both will get run outs in pre season as both are talented players and given a little time both could become valued squad members. It will only help them and liverpool the more playing time they can get along side Torres and Co

I have tremendous respect for Nemeth and I have been praising him for some time.....BUT, he had a slow season last season after a brilliant campaign the season before.

He went out on loan, got injured and when he came back he was very low on confidence, he was missing very easy chances.

I would love to see him get a shot in the first team as I think that will build his confidence up, I sincerely hope he gets a few games under his belt in pre-season.

Not sure about N'Gog.........he's yet to convince me, seen him play a few good games in the ressies, and a couple of first team games, but I want to see him exert his height and use some power to muscle in on defenders.

Hopefully we'll get a good run in the League Cup this season and see the likes of N'Gog and Nemeth and Pacheco too making good of themselves.

Well I guess both of them should be placed in the same level. Both given a chance to prove themselves next season.This season,only NGog was given the occasional run outs. I know that Nemeth was injured for the much of last season,hopefully he does get a run next season...

Although N'gog scored yesterday, he certainly almost missed the goal from the closest range any player in the world can ever get with an empty net, and no defenders around. I didn't appreciate the goal at all, just kudos for his positioning. It was Glen's goal more than it was his. So I still I'm with giving nemeth or pacheco a nod ahead of N'gog.

I'm not taking into account the amount of times now that he's come on and grabbed a late goal.

Rafa shoves him in when we're 1000% winning, and the team is just rampant and making chances left right and center. Surely he's going to score in some of these cases. But never a decisive league goal or CL, maybe he doesn't get the chance to participate in these cases to be fair. But still, it's not that he's awful, but we got better prospects to play ahead of him. He'll never be a great striker imo.

Saint Liverpudlian are you taking the piss mate?

As a fan of this club you should be supporting and cheering on any goal a player scores.

Although N'gog scored yesterday, he certainly almost missed the goal from the closest range any player in the world can ever get with an empty net, and no defenders around. I didn't appreciate the goal at all, just kudos for his positioning. It was Glen's goal more than it was his. So I still I'm with giving nemeth or pacheco a nod ahead of N'gog.

Quite possibly the dumbest post I've ever read.

He 'almost missed' because Shawcross pushed him in the back, which automatically forced Ngog off balance.

He was on hand, he scored. Any criticism is just plain daft.

He'll never be a great striker imo.

Someone better tell Rafa and the French footballing academy. Apparently you know more than them. Get your CV in the post.

I think at the moment yes N'gog should be ahead of Nemeth because unlike Voronin (who Nemeth should be ahead of IMO) he has got his name on the scoresheet a couple of times.

Someone better tell Rafa and the French footballing academy. Apparently you know more than them. Get your CV in the post.

IMO means In My Opinion. you remind me of George Orwell's 1984. I am certain I'm wrong to argue you, you all know better. We're not in position to buy and sell or even feel the slightest hate towards any of our players. But can't you say one is better than the other? -_-

To conclude, N'gog is good, he scored yes, hurray indeed. but the goal just didn't show he was amazing. I probably miss presented that thought, I apologize for that, it's too harsh to say I didn't appreciate the goal. Thank him for his effort, (positioning). I still think Nemeth who car run rather than stand would be better on the field than N'gog. I can't see much of a work rate. Maybe because it's just 10 minutes to the end of the match, but still, you try to impress your manager with whatever little time you have.

I've never really rated Ngog to be honest. I always thought he has lacked that bit of pace, and first touch has let him down a few times. However, he has the 100% backing of Benitez, who consistently mentions him when he ever gets pressed about transfers etc. He must be showing something on the training ground. I hope he comes good this season, I really do. We're looking pretty thin upfront, and someone needs to step up.

Nemeth however, I have rated highly for a couple of years now. His first season in reserves, he was outstanding. Scoring goals for fun, and him and Spearing had a great relationship. Shame he got injured last year. But when I was watching pre-season, I thought "Go on lad, stake your claim" And he dissapointed me in his first game. His touch was off, he seemed to be trying to hard. I wanna put this down to lack of match fitness.

Overall, I would give Nemeth the nod over Ngog. He has the attributes to be a Torres up front, or the back up like Gerrard. I don't think Ngog has these capabilities. Doubt Rafa will give him this chance though, like I said, he seems to have the upmost faith in his frenchman.

I think at the moment yes N'gog should be ahead of Nemeth because unlike Voronin (who Nemeth should be ahead of IMO) he has got his name on the scoresheet a couple of times.

Spot on mate, N'gog has scored for us given limited opportunities. Would love to see Nemeth given a spot on the bench instead of Voronin but that's a whole new topic.

N'Gog deserves his place on the bench. He looked well ahead of the reserves when he played with them a couple of times and he's scored a few for the first team. He's got pace and does really well when he runs into the channels. If Nemeth is to replace anyone on the bench, it shouldn't be N'Gog.

I've never really rated Ngog to be honest. I always thought he has lacked that bit of pace

Have you actually seen him play? Lack pace? That's one of his main assets.

Nemeth is a rough diamond, as is Ngog. Ngog has been getting the nod, and despite only a few minutes of football here and there, he gets a goal at a very good rate. So why complain?

He got a goal every 197 minutes last season, behind on Torres and Gerrard. This season he has one goal in 6 minutes! He doesn't play much, but when he does he contributes so stop pining for players who haven't even yet played a first team game.

N'Gog deserves his place on the bench. He looked well ahead of the reserves when he played with them a couple of times and he's scored a few for the first team. He's got pace and does really well when he runs into the channels. If Nemeth is to replace anyone on the bench, it shouldn't be N'Gog.

Thank you.

Did very well last night when N'Gog came on and looking more and more confident every time he pulls on a red shirt.

He'll do for me.

He 100% does, N'Gog is the biggest waste of space to ever grace the fields on the Tin Mine.

I agree 100%. He's done jack sh*t since he came to us. I mean the man's only way of scoring is off his freggin head and even then he almost missed with an open goal. He hit the crossbar and just managed to sneak in. The player is an embarrassment to the club and to the scouting department of the LFC. He's been given chance after chance while decent players like Nemeth who have massive potential have been passed over. There is no good reason for this ass kissing other than the fact Nemeth cost us nothing to buy and Ngog cost plenty for what he does which is nothing. Anyone who says people should be banned off this site for saying the truth is an idiot, no player is bigger than the club. Particularly not a waste of space useless tw*t like Ngog. Get Kristian Nemeth in ASAP, the guy showed part of what he can do against Singapore which is put the ball in the back of the net in open play. Something Ngog will almost never be able to do except with his pancake like forehead which is about as accurate as a north korean scud missile.

I agree 100%. He's done jack sh*t since he came to us. I mean the man's only way of scoring is off his freggin head and even then he almost missed with an open goal. He hit the crossbar and just managed to sneak in. The player is an embarrassment to the club and to the scouting department of the LFC. He's been given chance after chance while decent players like Nemeth who have massive potential have been passed over. There is no good reason for this ass kissing other than the fact Nemeth cost us nothing to buy and Ngog cost plenty for what he does which is nothing. Anyone who says people should be banned off this site for saying the truth is an idiot, no player is bigger than the club. Particularly not a waste of space useless tw*t like Ngog. Get Kristian Nemeth in ASAP, the guy showed part of what he can do against Singapore which is put the ball in the back of the net in open play. Something Ngog will almost never be able to do except with his pancake like forehead which is about as accurate as a north korean scud missile.

I do hope that this is irony. But I fear that it isn't.

I do hope that this is irony. But I fear that it isn't.

I think it's David 'the new Lucas Leiva' N'gog.

I agree 100%. He's done jack sh*t since he came to us. I mean the man's only way of scoring is off his freggin head and even then he almost missed with an open goal. He hit the crossbar and just managed to sneak in. The player is an embarrassment to the club and to the scouting department of the LFC. He's been given chance after chance while decent players like Nemeth who have massive potential have been passed over. There is no good reason for this ass kissing other than the fact Nemeth cost us nothing to buy and Ngog cost plenty for what he does which is nothing. Anyone who says people should be banned off this site for saying the truth is an idiot, no player is bigger than the club. Particularly not a waste of space useless tw*t like Ngog. Get Kristian Nemeth in ASAP, the guy showed part of what he can do against Singapore which is put the ball in the back of the net in open play. Something Ngog will almost never be able to do except with his pancake like forehead which is about as accurate as a north korean scud missile.

N'Gog's got more heart than that little shithouse Ryan Babel.

And seeing as the lad is only 19, get off his F***ing back, is he the new scapegoat, cos he only cost £1.5 million.

And ffs Singapore are hardly world-F***ing beaters are they?

I'm going to go with The Invisble Man's quote here:

Someone better tell Rafa and the French footballing academy. Apparently you know more than them. Get your CV in the post.

I agree 100%. He's done jack sh*t since he came to us. I mean the man's only way of scoring is off his freggin head and even then he almost missed with an open goal. He hit the crossbar and just managed to sneak in. The player is an embarrassment to the club and to the scouting department of the LFC. He's been given chance after chance while decent players like Nemeth who have massive potential have been passed over. There is no good reason for this ass kissing other than the fact Nemeth cost us nothing to buy and Ngog cost plenty for what he does which is nothing. Anyone who says people should be banned off this site for saying the truth is an idiot, no player is bigger than the club. Particularly not a waste of space useless tw*t like Ngog. Get Kristian Nemeth in ASAP, the guy showed part of what he can do against Singapore which is put the ball in the back of the net in open play. Something Ngog will almost never be able to do except with his pancake like forehead which is about as accurate as a north korean scud missile.

I'm getting f**king sick of this 'he nearly missed' bollocks. The lad scored. He scored a goal that adds to our goal difference. It hit the bar because he got a push in the back from Shawcross. N'Gog is showing quality. He's hardly put a foot wrong during his game time. He's getting into good positions, he's running with the ball confidently into the channels getting shots and crosses in, winning corners and free kicks in decent positions. He's showing real commitment when defending from the front. Stop talking sh*te.

I agree 100%. He's done jack sh*t since he came to us. I mean the man's only way of scoring is off his freggin head and even then he almost missed with an open goal. He hit the crossbar and just managed to sneak in. The player is an embarrassment to the club and to the scouting department of the LFC. He's been given chance after chance while decent players like Nemeth who have massive potential have been passed over. There is no good reason for this ass kissing other than the fact Nemeth cost us nothing to buy and Ngog cost plenty for what he does which is nothing. Anyone who says people should be banned off this site for saying the truth is an idiot, no player is bigger than the club. Particularly not a waste of space useless tw*t like Ngog. Get Kristian Nemeth in ASAP, the guy showed part of what he can do against Singapore which is put the ball in the back of the net in open play. Something Ngog will almost never be able to do except with his pancake like forehead which is about as accurate as a north korean scud missile.

Think you need to learn a bit more about our players before you rant about how bad they are.. you should give the guy a break he is 19 and learning doing his job when asked!

Nemeth international stats

2005–2006    Hungary U17    9 (11)    
2006–2008    Hungary U19    15 (14)    
2007–    Hungary U21    10 (13)
                       Hungary     0(0)

Ngogs international stats

2004–2005    France U16    13 (11)    
2005–2006    France U17    6 (2)    
2006–2007    France U18    4 (2)    
2007    France U19    6 (5)    
2008–    France U21    8 (1)

As you can see they both score goals and if they carry on this route of development will soon become full internationals. Support our team don't just use any opportunity to have a go negatively.. you say he is an embarrassment to our club, right now mate the only embarrassment to our club is a fickle fan like you.

You must be doing pretty good when the only way people are bitching about you is the way you go about scoring goals. I don't know why people seem to crap all over N'Gog but I assume a lot of it comes from the fact he is getting games ahead of Nemeth who is a player many of the supporters really like to see in the first team. Nemeth was very unlucky to not be involved with the first team as he suffer a few injuries and even when he went out on loan to Blackpool he got hurt the first game there so he couldn't prove him quality outside the reserve league.

Harsh as it is right now with that goal it is N'Gog who is going to get the games and Nemeth will simply have to wait until a injury occurs or Carling Cup game to get his chance.

I'm getting f**king sick of this 'he nearly missed' bollocks. The lad scored. He scored a goal that adds to our goal difference. It hit the bar because he got a push in the back from Shawcross. N'Gog is showing quality. He's hardly put a foot wrong during his game time. He's getting into good positions, he's running with the ball confidently into the channels getting shots and crosses in, winning corners and free kicks in decent positions. He's showing real commitment when defending from the front. Stop talking sh*te.

To add to this, more importantly, he's scoring goals. His goals to games ratio must be pretty impressive considering the amount of time he has on the pitch, which is usually a maximum of 15 minutes roughly every three games.

His all around game is far from perfect but he scores goals and works hard and as a striker for Liverpool FC I think that's all we ask.

I think he had 4 goals in 20 games for the club

Only time will tell if he's any good right? stop the I know and you don't attitude.

Only time will tell if he's any good right? stop the I know and you don't attitude.

And a bit of support for the lad would help as well.

anyone who doesn't clap and cheer for the lad when he's on the pitch is a c**t. We're on a forum here though, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no?

anyone who doesn't clap and cheer for the lad when he's on the pitch is a c**t. We're on a forum here though, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no?

Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone's got one!

I think he had 4 goals in 20 games for the club

Looks poor on paper, but I bet about 3/4 of those games were played as a late substitute.

Going off this logic:

15 15-min games = 225 mins = 2.5 games

Added onto 90x3 (I'm guessing that's roughly the amount of starts he's had) = 270 = 495 mins = 4.5 games.

45x2 = 90 = 585 mins = 6.5 games = 4 goals in 7 apps. Very roughly.

I think he had 4 goals in 20 games for the club

But what's it in terms of minutes?

He's only played a few minutes here and there out of those 20 games.

On the subject - http://tomkins-blogs.typepad.com/paul_tomkins_blog/2009/08/ngog-silent-assassin.html

But what's it in terms of minutes?

He's only played a few minutes here and there out of those 20 games.

I have no idea but I would say out of the 20 games played he would of started maybe 4 of them (I know he started and scored vs Sunderland last year in the Premiership plus a couple of cup games)

Think you need to learn a bit more about our players before you rant about how bad they are.. you should give the guy a break he is 19 and learning doing his job when asked!

Nemeth international stats

2005–2006    Hungary U17    9 (11)    
2006–2008    Hungary U19    15 (14)    
2007–    Hungary U21    10 (13)
                       Hungary     0(0)

Ngogs international stats

2004–2005    France U16    13 (11)    
2005–2006    France U17    6 (2)    
2006–2007    France U18    4 (2)    
2007    France U19    6 (5)    
2008–    France U21    8 (1)

As you can see they both score goals and if they carry on this route of development will soon become full internationals. Support our team don't just use any opportunity to have a go negatively.. you say he is an embarrassment to our club, right now mate the only embarrassment to our club is a fickle fan like you.

Well those stats actually make Nemeth look better. Still though, they are both too young, still early days to judge.
Personally I think they should BOTH be on the bench, not Voronin, who I appreciate for his effort, but don't rate.
Ngog has to be ahead of Nemeth for his goals, he can come on in slightly more imp games. Nemeth can come on when were winning 4-0 like yeterday.

If hes the new Lucas as somebody said, thats good cos it means hes gonna come good!

I have no idea but I would say out of the 20 games played he would of started maybe 4 of them (I know he started and scored vs Sunderland last year in the Premiership plus a couple of cup games)

Wasnt it Portsmouth? In the 3-2 away win when he led the line admirably WITHOUT Torres on the pitch.

He also started and scored v PSV in the CL.

On the subject - http://tomkins-blogs.typepad.com/paul_tomkins_blog/2009/08/ngog-silent-assassin.html

cheers, good read mate

Wasnt it Portsmouth? In the 3-2 away win when he led the line admirably WITHOUT Torres on the pitch.

He also started and scored v PSV in the CL.

According to lfchistory site he started 5 of 20 games, scored 2 goals in 5 of those games started,

Well i am not thinking he deserves it over Ngog as recently Ngog is showing what he can do, couple of sharp turns his starting to use his pace, holding the ball up well and he scored yesterday only can do his confidence some good. But Nemeth does deserve it over Babel and Voronin i feel both of them when playing look like they couldn't care less.

Well those stats actually make Nemeth look better. Still though, they are both too young, still early days to judge.
Personally I think they should BOTH be on the bench, not Voronin, who I appreciate for his effort, but don't rate.
Ngog has to be ahead of Nemeth for his goals, he can come on in slightly more imp games. Nemeth can come on when were winning 4-0 like yeterday.

If hes the new Lucas as somebody said, thats good cos it means hes gonna come good!

yeah i wasnt saying who was better.. i was just stating that they are both doing well and scoring goals, they both play for us so that is good.

On the subject - http://tomkins-blogs.typepad.com/paul_tomkins_blog/2009/08/ngog-silent-assassin.html

a very good read...

While everyone is entitled to say Nemeth should be ahead of N'Gog at the end of the day theboss is the one who sees their strength's and weaknesses in training and therefore is best placed to decide which of the 2 is more ready for the first team

While everyone is entitled to say Nemeth should be ahead of N'Gog at the end of the day theboss is the one who sees their strength's and weaknesses in training and therefore is best placed to decide which of the 2 is more ready for the first team

Ha ha Bri, watch them splinters!