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      Re: VAR
      Reply #475: Sep 15, 2019 11:59:54 am
      its a crazy situation when VAR is basically saying the on field ref got the decision wrong but not sufficiently wrong to overturn it.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #476: Sep 15, 2019 02:22:50 pm


      Explains so much.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #477: Sep 15, 2019 03:13:09 pm
      Anyone else patiently waiting for lfc over water's weekend review of how good VAR was?
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #478: Sep 15, 2019 03:36:57 pm
      Anyone else patiently waiting for lfc over water's weekend review of how good VAR was?

      I miss the VAR quiz
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #479: Sep 15, 2019 04:05:13 pm
      Anyone else patiently waiting for lfc over water's weekend review of how good VAR was?

      Gone to bury his head further in the sand I think.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #480: Sep 15, 2019 06:44:57 pm
      The Everton incident is not offside. The Villa incident is not a VAR issue. The Newcastle incident is an error, the first factual error of the season. It was not picked up until after play resumed, so nothing could be done.

      We've seen similiar tackles get yellows before. VVD v Napoli last year comes to mind. He got suspended for the next game as a result. Unlike Ancelotti, I don't think any of us thought it was more than that. As usual with VAR, when it intervenes, people say it ruins the game and when it doesn't intervene, they ask what's the point? Under Riley's VAR, they're not going to intervene in subjective cases, and that was a subjective case.

      So far, it's worked well imo. While it's not got involved in enough subjective decisions for my liking, it's overturned almost all the factually wrong decisions it has had to, but not slowed the game down to the WWC long delays the sceptics were forecasting. It is also the main reason why we're still top of the league, after ruling out the City ghost goal v Spurs. Without that decision, we're not top. So I'm happy enough with VAR so far.

      I’m awaiting your “expert” sh*te about the bollocks that is VAR after yesterday’s embarrassment
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #481: Sep 15, 2019 08:51:32 pm
      Gone to bury his head further in the sand I think.

       :lmao: :lmao:
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #482: Sep 15, 2019 08:55:56 pm
      Mike Riley said 4 mistakes have already been made, after the Liverpool game I reckon that will be 5.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #483: Sep 17, 2019 10:02:16 pm
      VAR is trash. F**k that ref.
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      Reply #484: Sep 17, 2019 10:12:01 pm
      Where is Mr VAR and his little f**king analysis ?

      Head still firmly in the sand  :f_steam:
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      Reply #485: Sep 17, 2019 10:14:48 pm
      VAR is just a waste of everyone’s time, clearly the officials think that because they don’t like to use it.

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      Re: VAR
      Reply #486: Sep 17, 2019 10:21:01 pm
      Needs scrapping. It’s bollocks!
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      Reply #487: Sep 18, 2019 12:04:15 am
      Useless if a decision which for me looks like a good interception and dive cannot be ruled out.  It's game changing and it gives VAR plenty of time to overturn it.   Like some have said VAR is to protect Referees not get decisions right.    You can get one of the biggest threats to set pieces in a headlock to stop him scoring VAR will do nothing.  If this is going to remotely work they just need to sort out the main objective which should be to aim at getting good decisions.   
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #488: Sep 18, 2019 12:32:35 am
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      Interesting piece on the BBC Sport website claiming there are at least four decisions that VAR have fu**ed up on so far since the season began.

      It was Riley saying he thought there were 4 errors. Under the thresholds and high bars in place, just 1 was an error. The other incidents were simply his opinion about what should have happened. This is someone who once thought Carvalho practicing his volleyball skills in front of the Kop was not a penalty.

      Quote from fields of anny rd
      The level of ability the VAR has within the current English guidelines will mean very few decisions being over turned other than offsides.

      It has to be absolutely stone wall wrong to the point of the offender having to be charged with GBH before the VAR will over rule a referee who doesn't give a pen,  and about a foot of contact away from contact for a ref who does award a pen before replays showing it was a dive before they over rule him the other way too.

      It's very poor in its current guise and it smacks of referees who are too insecure to put the good of the game, and the accuracy of decisions ahead of their damaged egos if a they are proven wrong.

      This is VAR a la carte in the EPL, confined to handballs by forwards, and offside incidents only. While the reviews on the halfway line which are supposed to be used, have been effectively banned by Riley. Therefore (in what sounds similar to what happens in a different sport) subjective decisions ultimately come down to the "referee's call" on the pitch.

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      VAR is just a waste of everyone’s time, clearly the officials think that because they don’t like to use it.

      Just because we don't like a decision, doesn't mean it will be scrapped. 3 decisions were changed by VAR on the first night of the group stage. We're not taking a step back to how things used to be. It's part of the game now at the very highest level, and we all just have to get on with it.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #489: Sep 18, 2019 08:36:49 am
      Someone needs to explain what constitutes a "Clear and obvious error" because its got me baffled.

      From my point of view the awarding of that penalty was a clear and obvious error because it was not a penalty, so why was it not overturned. Is it only if a player dives with no contact at all that it would be overturned, in that case you'll hardly ever see a penalty decision overturned.

      BTW I have no issue with 50-50 calls favouring the ref, as it is in cricket, but there is simply no way that was a penalty upon VAR review, to use cricket's VAR for context Pitching and Impact were NOT in line, it was missing the Wickets plus the bowler overstepped as well ;-)
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #490: Sep 18, 2019 09:29:42 am
      No point having it if it just compounds the refs error.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #491: Sep 18, 2019 06:18:02 pm
      It was Riley saying he thought there were 4 errors. Under the thresholds and high bars in place, just 1 was an error. The other incidents were simply his opinion about what should have happened. This is someone who once thought Carvalho practicing his volleyball skills in front of the Kop was not a penalty.

      This is VAR a la carte in the EPL, confined to handballs by forwards, and offside incidents only. While the reviews on the halfway line which are supposed to be used, have been effectively banned by Riley. Therefore (in what sounds similar to what happens in a different sport) subjective decisions ultimately come down to the "referee's call" on the pitch.

      Just because we don't like a decision, doesn't mean it will be scrapped. 3 decisions were changed by VAR on the first night of the group stage. We're not taking a step back to how things used to be. It's part of the game now at the very highest level, and we all just have to get on with it.

      Bollocks and you know it. Funny how you mention what it does correct but not what it gets wrong.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #492: Sep 18, 2019 06:31:43 pm
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      Someone needs to explain what constitutes a "Clear and obvious error" because its got me baffled.

      From my point of view the awarding of that penalty was a clear and obvious error because it was not a penalty, so why was it not overturned. Is it only if a player dives with no contact at all that it would be overturned, in that case you'll hardly ever see a penalty decision overturned.

      Very few of them are. Once the contact is seen, that's usually enough to justify the decision. Plus, European refs have traditionally always been much stricter on contact, than in our league.

      Maybe it might be overturned if the ref went to a screen, but I only say maybe. Then you're into "takes too long, slows the game down" territory again.

      I think the incident shows though, that all we want is the right decision, we'll worry about the time it takes to make it later.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #493: Yesterday at 02:14:47 am
      What a bullshit f**king useless piece of crap this is. Why have it if they don't f**king use it!!!
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      Reply #494: Yesterday at 08:19:57 am
      Very few of them are. Once the contact is seen, that's usually enough to justify the decision. Plus, European refs have traditionally always been much stricter on contact, than in our league.

      Maybe it might be overturned if the ref went to a screen, but I only say maybe. Then you're into "takes too long, slows the game down" territory again.

      I think the incident shows though, that all we want is the right decision, we'll worry about the time it takes to make it later.

      For penalty decisions I'm more than happy with there being a delay as they have such a dramatic effect on a game. I thought this was the whole bloody point of VAR, to cut out the bad decisions, and the awarding of that penalty was a bad decision. I am certain that if the ref had seen that on a screen he would have reversed his decision.
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      Reply #495: Yesterday at 01:53:22 pm
      Very few of them are. Once the contact is seen, that's usually enough to justify the decision. Plus, European refs have traditionally always been much stricter on contact, than in our league.

      Maybe it might be overturned if the ref went to a screen, but I only say maybe. Then you're into "takes too long, slows the game down" territory again.

      I think the incident shows though, that all we want is the right decision, we'll worry about the time it takes to make it later.

      Keep making your excuses.

      It's not the game changer it was made out to be and our biggest fear, the cu*ts who are using it and making decisions are absolutely f**king useless.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #496: Yesterday at 05:00:26 pm
      What a bullshit f**king useless piece of crap this is. Why have it if they don't f**king use it!!!

      Unfortunately the technology can only be as good as the people who are using it and unfortunately, the people using it are complete and utter f**king morons.
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      Re: VAR
      Reply #497: Yesterday at 06:56:39 pm
      VAR sucks, VAR robs, VAR kills the thrill, etc :(
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      Reply #498: Today at 12:37:29 pm
      Since VAR is going to be a regular talking point I think it deserves it's own topic. Not sure what section it goes in but I'm sure mods will correct it accordingly if wrong.

      Are members in favour of  what's looks like to be the future of football?

      Like anything in a new ruling there's always going to be teething problems. All though I haven't seen them I do think long term it's a very good idea. They say it's only to be used in clear and obvious circumstances. That wasn't the case recently as many will know. However, from the letter of the law the correct decision was made even though under suspicious circumstance ( just my opinion)

      Are you for it or against it? Thoughts welcome.

      I started this thread back in Feb  and now doubting VAR due to the morons making the decisions behind the camera  :f_steam: Ive seen some clear and obvious decisions go against teams  its pathetic. Like many say it does spoil the excitement and appears to be getting worse not better  :f_wah:

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