Thailand 1-1 Liverpool post match thoughts

The Live Topic was here: http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=20379.0

Full time 1-1.

All you can hear is


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FFS Draw

Full time.

Bunch of arse.

Full Time A draw. Again.

Oh well, better performance no doubt about it. Still scrappy but those conditions were horrendous.

FT.

1-1.

I think some one has a crush.

Well he is rather gorgeous..... 

All over.

sh*t second half up until Torres and Riera came on, I agree with everyone who says our back up strikers aren't up to scratch. Babel had a decent first half, but nothing exceptional, N'Gog did nothing. Pacheco and Nemeth weren't bad either, but aren't quite there yet.

Torres looks very sharp, really hope he can stay fit next season, he's deadly. His acceleration is scary, and he was linking up well with everyone around him. Johnson looked promising again on the left, I wonder what he could do if he was on the right?

All in all, we started well but I was disappointed with the result. A bit sloppy at the back in the second half.

Bit worrying that none of the less established squad members are making a big impression.  Good to see the Spanish lads(barring Alonso) and Masch back though.  Torres especially looked sharp and thought Babel did very well.  Roll on Singapore.

Think we're just saving the wins for when the season starts.

Another sh*te result

Another sh*te result

Thanks, Shakespeare.

I know it's preseason and all but it's a little worrying that we have won games that we are expected to win.

Can't believe Voronin missed that good chance. I think Babel, Torres and Riera played well.

Big problems.

1. Skrtel, El Zhar injuries
2. Mascherano, Alonso and Arbeloa and their cosying up to Spanish clubs is a disgrace. Rafa needs to come out to say they're going nowhere. Whether they like it or not.
3. Gerrard court case
4. Owners have spent £0 this summer (Johnson fee more than paid for by Keane and Leto sale).  Those pair of pricks need to put their hands in their own pockets and buy us someone like Silva and a backup striker for Torres.

All in all - that was a woeful performance for the last 60 minutes.

De-F***ing-pressed.

Good to see the first pre-season at last for me.

It wasn't based on tactics but more of getting the players to be fit, that was the main concern. However we were sloppy in certain areas and didn't showed the motivation to win the game. Plessis didn't stamp his authority in the game, back four looking solid in the first half which is a a plus. We didn't really seem interested to play, but I thought the main concern was to get the players fit and develop understanding in each other.

I thought that Johnson did well, displayed good fighting skills. San Jose is a classy defender, great positioning and as always calm and composed on the ball good for his future. Didn't think that Jay Spearing played particularly well as well, but Masch was awesome in breaking play up.

Riera and Torres provided that extra spark but it was a little too late to make that impact. Still a good game, a little disappointed with the draw as I want Liverpool to win all the games. But the players clearly played in high humidity, made them sweat so much that it would probably open their eyes as to what kind of fitness levels they need to display more in the EPL.

Also glad for the games that after so long they are able to catch Liverpool in Asia! My turn from tomorrow

Oh well, better performance no doubt about it. Still scrappy but those conditions were horrendous.

Very true mate. Sums it up for me from what I seen.

Good to see the Spanish lads back. Especially Torres. Johnson impressed me again without having to do too much. Thought he'd bagged the winner right at the end.

Those conditions were tough though. Should have notched their fitness up a bit. Hopefully we can improve further after that.

The options up front are a concern though.

Sorry, two things a little off topic.

Firstly, they are playing youll never walk alone whilst doing carras interview around the stadium, which I thought was cool.

Secondly if you watched it on veetle has any one seen the advert with the two american sports guys are watching football then all the fit birds run in?mega.

Cant wait to see nando ripping through the premier league next year, looks so sharp!

The good thing is that we at last managed to score. Voronin didn't look great. He had a couple of great chances, but missed. The young defenders aren't ready to play in the 1st team yet. If Nando would have played more, I'm sure that we would have won.

Like any match there was positives & negatives to take from the game, admittedly it was only a friendly but I believe going into a new season the positives far out numbered the negatives and now the Spanish lads and Masch are back we may see results start to go our way.

Pre season going well then....

It was disappointing not to win that game today, lots of experimenting again by Rafa, I suppose the one consolation today was how sharp Torres looked, a huge positive for the season ahead.

I guess we weren't firing on all cylinders, and the humidity out there today won't have helped us one little bit.

Let's just try and look on the positive side and when we get our full team out, that's when we'll see how we can really play, the worrying thing is, what happens if we lose a first team player? Are our reserve team members up to scratch to step in? On today's performance and on the performances of the past two games, I would say not, which is a worry.

Let's hope the majority of our first teamers can stay mostly injury free this season, cos if not, in a word were stuffed 

Oh goody another fantastic result!

Torres especially looked sharp and thought Babel did very well.

Torres may have looked sharp coming on late in the second half just cause everyone else looked dull.
He did pump everyone up though.

We have 4 more games to go in pre season? I think someone who plays up front needs to realise they could push ahead of the pack if they pull their finger out.

There were good thing & bad things. I'm happy with these players performence: Mash., Insua, Torres, Glen, Arby, Babel, kuyt, Dossena, lucas and so & so Degen. My negs are ngog, voronin, plessis, spearing.

I hope that El zhar & skrtel do not have any major problems.

My MOTM is Insua & Lucas

I hope Rafa trims down the squad a bit for the next game, or perhaps after the Singapore game and concentrates on the players he thinks can step up next season as back up if called upon.  Its fairly obvious that some players just don't seem ready for the step up, especially up front.  To me Nemeth and Pacheco have potential but aren't quite there, N'Gog has looked very poor so far and Voronin has looked good at times but just isn't a goalscorer.  Back up keepers look dodgy too, especially their clearances and distribution.

The first teamers look alright though.  Still need a few additions methinks but then again, thats only gonna happen if players are sold. 

see u in singapore the reds....

Again its obvious we have one top class striker and very little else, if we lose Torres through injury next season I fear for our title challenge, I think it's vital we bring someone else in, if Rafa doesn't I think we could come short again next season.

Can't wait to go to the Atletico game :

Like MsG said - if we lose our first team attacking options then we're totally goosed by the looks of things. And getting Voronin a new attitude hardly seems like much summer activity in terms of strengthening in depth.

The young lads aren't covering themselves in glory during this pre-season. At some point we have to get a little concerned. I'd like to see something like a first XI soon to allay some fears, but I can see that we don't have much cover in the squad that comes anywhere near 50% the quality of what it's covering!!

Again its obvious we have one top class striker and very little else, if we lose Torres through injury next season I fear for our title challenge, I think it's vital we bring someone else in, if Rafa doesn't I think we could come short again next season.

Yep, it's a concern. Mattmcg made a point in the live match thread that Torres being on for 5 mins had more of an effect than the other players up front from the previous games. Obviously we all know Torres is our best striker but the gap in between is certainly a big one.

The owners need to fund a back up striker. Otherwise, we'll be walking too close to the edge.

Yep, it's a concern. Mattmcg made a point in the live match thread that Torres being on for 5 mins had more of an effect than the other players up front from the previous games. Obviously we all know Torres is our best striker but the gap in between is certainly a big one.

The owners need to fund a back up striker. Otherwise, we'll be walking too close to the edge.

I suppose we could always use Ryan Babel, more chance of him getting a few goals than our two owners finding transfer funds.

Still that co-commentator Keith Costigan didn't seem too bothered when yapping about the two yank beauts.  :

Not very impressed. I hear what people say about getting back in shape after the break but many of the players used havent exactly worked their butts off over the last season so why are they tired and need a break? Not many new names so they should be aware of each other so all this about building up understanding seems irrelevant.

N'Gog hasn't seemed interested in the last two games, Spearing sees himself as a cross between Sammy Lee and Stevie G whilst possessing non of their talent. Friendlies or not we need a win every game mentality.

Aside from that we are going to win the league, I just feel it.

BENITEZ SWEATS ON DUO'S FITNESS

Jimmy Rice 22 July 2009

The club's medical staff are assessing injuries which forced both players to leave the pitch during a rain-soaked second half.
 
Benitez told Liverpoolfc.tv: "They were not the best conditions here today and the worst thing was to lose Skrtel and El Zhar.
 
"The idea of the game was to improve match fitness, so to lose two players is bad news."
 
Ryan Babel gave Liverpool the lead in Bangkok before the hosts levelled in the second half.
 
The fanatical Thai supporters reserved the biggest cheer of the day for Fernando Torres, who returned to action with a late cameo.
 
Benitez added: "The fans were really good, supporting the team, enjoying the game and getting behind certain players in particular."
 
The boss also revealed that Xabi Alonso and Yossi Benayoun were not involved due to ankle injuries.
 
Meanwhile, Jamie Carragher believes the heat and humidity the Reds are experiencing in Asia will leave them well prepared for 2009-10.
 
He said: "We are disappointed at giving the lead away because we want to win every game we play but the first three or four games are about fitness and getting the match practice in.
 
"Then the games start getting to a higher level and you'll hopefully see a bit more flow. At the moment you're seeing two different teams in each half.
 
"But the conditions we are playing in here and in Singapore will help us once the new season gets underway."
 
Carragher also spoke of his pride at the support Liverpool have encountered in Thailand.
 
"I've been here a few times now and it's always the same," he added.
 
"They are fanatical about the Premier League over here, especially Liverpool. We should be proud of how big our club is out here. That's why we come."



http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N165150090722-1704.htm

Who was captain when Carra went off?

I think it was clear, the gulf in class immediately when Torres came on.

I'm sorry but our young prospects just aren't good enough, at the moment anyway. The only one who looks good enough is Insua. Spearing was sh*te today, so too Nemeth - again. Did he actually do anything?

Voronin's miss was woeful.

Things can only get better though, if the first team was out we would have smashed them.

Who was captain when Carra went off?

I think Mascherano had the captains armband.

I think it was clear, the gulf in class immediately when Torres came on.

I'm sorry but our young prospects just aren't good enough, at the moment anyway. The only one who looks good enough is Insua. Spearing was sh*te today, so too Nemeth - again. Did he actually do anything?

Voronin's miss was woeful.

Things can only get better though, if the first team was out we would have smashed them.

Agree with you there, i thought Insua was solid again, one of the positives of the pre-season so far. What's worrying me is that Rafa is giving all the fringe players a chance, but no-one seems to want to step up to the plate. Our central midfield was woeful, can you imagine what the loss of Alonso would do to our side, doesn't bear thinking about.

N'gog was shocking, no hunger there at all and Voronin, well, was Voronin. What a sitter he missed. Without Torres we are toothless.

I think Mascherano had the captains armband.

Ta mate.

Wonder if it was a little ploy to make him stay. May only be a small thing but it shows trust from the manager.

Not good at all. When Torres came on, we suddenly looked a hell of a lot more dangerous. We need another striker like Torres to bring him off the bench and to cover for him.

The youngsters just aren't pulling their finger out. They need to concentrate more and pass the ball rather than going it alone.

Big problems.

2. Mascherano, Alonso and Arbeloa and their cosying up to Spanish clubs is a disgrace. Rafa needs to come out to say they're going nowhere. Whether they like it or not.

You must have been reading my mind JD. Rafa needs to tell Alonso that he is not going anywhere. Petulant clown, Alonso. His dodgy refusal to play in today's friendly against Thailand reminds me of the Berbatov/Tottenham stand-off! So Gutter

We need a creative player like Silva to provide that spark of energy and chances that Torres did today.

Some positives came out of the game but also quite a few negatives especially the cover for Torres as the young lads finding it hard to impress. Just hope the 2 injuries are not too serious but Skirtel's looked bad as he pulled up quickly.Insua impresses me more everytime i see him and is looking like he will make that position his own. Glad to see Agger back after injury, lets hope he can get run of games now and stay injury free.

While i can accept we all want to win every game ,are we not losing a bit of perspective over these games their only purpouse is A fitness for the next season and B to promote ourselves abroad ,both of which we are acheiving all be it with a few injury scares .
 Of course we look different when Nando comes on we fcking well should he is the best out there ,agree on the points about our youngsters not seeming to make the grade yet ,but we havn,t had a full team on the park yet ,when we do then we will really see where we are at,   

I'd say over the games we have played it has not been too bad to be honest it has highlighted in some parts where we are lacking but if you look at the bigger picture it's hard to get any fluidity going in your game when you are using 22+ players in a 90 minute match. Lets wait and see how we perform when we field an all most full strength side, I think we will fare a lot better as all the regulars we've seen so far look hungry and sharp IMO.

Torres looked as though it wasn't pre season. Gerrard and Torres don't need to worry about Voronin breaking their partnership up though, for a striker you'd think he would know how to finish a glorious chance. How are we meant to sell him now!

Does noone else think it would be better to prepare for a Premiership campaign by playing some English clubs in England? English football on English grounds....as opposed to asian football in a monsoon?

Just food for thought. Also, Voronin clear through on goal and putting it wide?? Even my sister can at least kick the ball thingy so it ends up somewhere between the two white sticks.

Does noone else think it would be better to prepare for a Premiership campaign by playing some English clubs in England? English football on English grounds....as opposed to asian football in a monsoon?

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That is all they care about really though some would debate that playing in Asian where it is very hot climate would help the sweat that excess weight gain from their month off. Also the fact having the team away will help new players gel with the present players as they will be with each other most of the time unlike if they train at Melwood for a few hours then go back to their house/hotel room.

Thought that Agger and Dirk played well hey gave it their all , Agger was ever so solid in defense ad whether it's Manchester United or the Thailand National Team Dirk will give 100% every time and that's why we love him . So my MOTM : Daniel Agger and Dirk Kuyt . BUt the game was a little slow and I am disappointed with that goal conceded , but it was two youngsters at the back so they definitely need more first team experience under their belt before they can provide back up for Carra , Agger and Skrtel . Nemeth played wel but he has to learn t be more unselfish . He should study how Torres moves and plays ....not Ronaldo , then he'll get it right , otherwise he also played well we were better in attack with him and Babel then Babel and Voronin .

(P.S Voronin's hair makes him look sick , according to some he looks like a porn star . Why can't he just shave his head and he might get some more appreciation )

I have to be honest and say none of our youngster have impressed me one jot over the first three games?
Echoing what many other contributor's said Kuyt and Agger were first rate last night. I also thought Rierra looked sharp for the brief time he was on and Torres's pace in absolutely blistering.
I must also say that from a sceptic I'm rapidly becoming a Johnson fan, although he'll have to be very careful with them runs up front in the prem, cause they won't go unpunished!
The team looked like some sort of experimental side that Rafa would cobbled together at Melwood?

Aside from that we are going to win the league, I just feel it.

Could you be being just a tad premature there, maybe?

I bet that Panupong lad is great at table tennis.

Torres looked as though it wasn't pre season. Gerrard and Torres don't need to worry about Voronin breaking their partnership up though, for a striker you'd think he would know how to finish a glorious chance. How are we meant to sell him now!

Nice one KK.Just pray Phil Brown was'nt watching eh.Otherwise we may get stuck with Voronin for the WHOLE season "awe".
Anyway on a brighter note thought Insua showed real class.Lucas seemed to have found some self belief by the way he showed out there(from one who was one of his biggest knockers)I actually think this year will be the making of him.Sorry to see Spearing have such a poor game as I am a big fan(hopefully that was a one off for him).Carra was Carra and no worries for his future imo.Glad to see Degan come through a couple of games unscathed,However dissapointed in his lack of abbility.And finally great to see the buzz everyone gets when Nando appears.

I have to be honest and say none of our youngster have impressed me one jot over the first three games?

Agree.  Very disappointed compared to last season - although Nemeth has shown some flashes off a great touch and is arguably one of our most skilful players.  Insua has done well, but he probably doesn't count as a youngster even though he is.

None of the defenders have covered themselves in glory - Ngog and Plessis and Spearing have been poor - and Pacheco just looks fat to me.

- and Pacheco just looks fat to me.

Yeah the barrel from Barcelona
his reading of a game could best be described as poor, vast, vast room for improvement.