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      Keith Singleton
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      Reply #4950: Jul 13, 2020 01:27:03 pm
      Do you guys find F1 exciting, if so why, when it's so dominated by 1 team and 1 driver. Honestly I'm not trying to be contrary, I remember being quite into F1 about 20 years ago when the racing was a bit closer and the winner was not so obvious.

      Man!! i can't go there with you  ;D  If your no longer a follower you won't understand  ;D
      I can understand why yesterday might be boring tp some  but certainly not when the wonga is on, thats the way you want them to win.  ;D
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      Reply #4951: Jul 13, 2020 01:41:05 pm
      In big fashion too  ;D That qualifying lap was exceptional. always said in the wet Hammy & Verstappen different class and so it proved once again. I had good bet on him getting pole due to the weather and decent bet for the win based on last weeks performance.

      I reall do think he's better than Senna which some may say is a bold statement.

      out of interest what kind of odds do you get for a Hamilton win??
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      Reply #4952: Jul 13, 2020 02:24:16 pm
      out of interest what kind of odds do you get for a Hamilton win??

      21/20
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      Reply #4953: Jul 13, 2020 02:56:08 pm

      Lol, evens in an F1 race, that about sums it up. So so predictable and boring these days and Hamilton driving round in Hitlers favourite car brand with no sense of irony 😉
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      Reply #4954: Jul 13, 2020 04:09:02 pm
      Lol, evens in an F1 race, that about sums it up. So so predictable and boring these days

      That's basically coz Hammy different class in wet conditions.
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      Reply #4955: Jul 14, 2020 02:31:16 pm
      Do you guys find F1 exciting, if so why, when it's so dominated by 1 team and 1 driver. Honestly I'm not trying to be contrary, I remember being quite into F1 about 20 years ago when the racing was a bit closer and the winner was not so obvious.

      The final laps of quali, when Hamilton went 1.2 seconds clear.
      When it looked like Max would match him but spun out.

      The last two laps, when Lando past 3 cars in 2 laps, after overhauling the gap to Hamilton similarly in the first race.

      The behind the scenes coverage we get now, with Drive to Survive.

      It might not be the peak Jordan days but I still find enough in it to keep me interested,
      even if this season now appears to lack a challenger for Mercedes, given the regression of Ferrari post engine fiasco.
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      Reply #4957: Jul 17, 2020 03:39:07 pm
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      Given the penalty I'm surprised Mercedes didn't call for Bottas to let Hamilton through.
      That said, if I was Bottas, I wouldn't be in a hurry to let him through even if they called it.

      Made for a great finish though. Lando on fire at the moment.

      The penalty was for Hamilton's mistake. Bottas shouldn't have his race compromised because of it as well, especially in the first race of the season. He'll have more than enough of that to do, as the season goes on.

      Like other sports, all those involved are repeatedly tested for the virus, with no positive results. Unlike other sports, social distancing is enforced at all times, they have to wear facerags at all times, and they're so horrible and uncomfortable to wear, that every driver has to adjust them during every interview, sometimes 2 or 3 times answering the same question. Repairing damaged cars for qualifying and races are also taking double the usual time, because of social distancing enforced in the garages.

      We know why the facerags are worn but there has to be an allowance for essential work to be conducted under relatively normal circumstances, as in other sports. Drivers are not going to get the virus standing by the podium for a couple of minutes apart as they are, they have all tested negative multiple times over. Because of the requirement, the current podium and press interviews are unwatchable and at times inaudible. Unsurprisingly, I've heard and seen many complaints about it already from those in the bubble. It is really ott imo.
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      Reply #4958: Jul 17, 2020 04:10:38 pm
      Do you guys find F1 exciting, if so why, when it's so dominated by 1 team and 1 driver. Honestly I'm not trying to be contrary, I remember being quite into F1 about 20 years ago when the racing was a bit closer and the winner was not so obvious.

      Motorbikes are far more exciting to watch especially MotoGP. I find formula one boring also.
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      Reply #4959: Jul 17, 2020 08:16:48 pm
      Motorbikes are far more exciting to watch especially MotoGP. I find formula one boring also.

      I love bikes especially road racing but still drawn to F1.

      It's still the pinnacle of motor racing for me and always find something in a each race to keep me watching to be honest.
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      Reply #4960: Jul 21, 2020 03:31:34 pm
      I love bikes especially road racing but still drawn to F1.

      It's still the pinnacle of motor racing for me and always find something in a each race to keep me watching to be honest.

      I just wish it was a bit more fair in terms of equipment so we could really see who the best driver was, Hamilton is a very good driver, as are all F1 drivers, but I remember Schumacher squeezing the last bit of performance out of his Ferrari, same as Senna and the other greats, often beating drivers in technically superior cars, can Hamilton say he has done that when his Mercedes is so much better than every other car and has been for a long time now.
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      Reply #4961: Jul 21, 2020 03:43:37 pm
      I just wish it was a bit more fair in terms of equipment so we could really see who the best driver was, Hamilton is a very good driver, as are all F1 drivers, but I remember Schumacher squeezing the last bit of performance out of his Ferrari, same as Senna and the other greats, often beating drivers in technically superior cars, can Hamilton say he has done that when his Mercedes is so much better than every other car and has been for a long time now.

      Don't you think Hammy squeeze everything ? Bottas in same car can't compete with him. Hammy should be spoken about in the same breath as Senna & Schumacher

      Schumacher was in the best car at his time so nothing new there.

      In my opinion Hammy better than Senna & Schmacher and won't be long before he passes Schumacher's record.
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      Reply #4962: Jul 22, 2020 12:08:18 am
      Don't you think Hammy squeeze everything ? Bottas in same car can't compete with him. Hammy should be spoken about in the same breath as Senna & Schumacher

      Schumacher was in the best car at his time so nothing new there.

      In my opinion Hammy better than Senna & Schmacher and won't be long before he passes Schumacher's record.

      Hamilton is not even close to Senna and Schumacher in terms of driving excellence, the only reason he has won so much is because he's in the best car. Schumacher did not have a vastly superior car as far as I recall, nor did Senna.
      In any case has Hamilton actually outlined the horrific racial abuse he's suffered within F1, he keeps telling people like Jackie Stuart to educate themselves on the issues but refuses to tell us anything.
      For the record Hamilton grew up in a very comfortable middle class household which had enough money to indulge his ambition to go carting, not cheap at all. He was then handpicked by the best karting teams and then fast tracked into the McLaren development programme, being selected ahead of more talented white kids, oh the abuse he must have felt at that time. As soon as he entered F1 his every whim has been granted, again horrendous treatment.
      Now he has become the wokest man alive despite being a tax dodging tw*t who drives for Hitlers favourite car make.
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      Reply #4963: Jul 22, 2020 08:09:07 am
      Hamilton is not even close to Senna and Schumacher in terms of driving excellence, the only reason he has won so much is because he's in the best car. Schumacher did not have a vastly superior car as far as I recall, nor did Senna.
      In any case has Hamilton actually outlined the horrific racial abuse he's suffered within F1, he keeps telling people like Jackie Stuart to educate themselves on the issues but refuses to tell us anything.
      For the record Hamilton grew up in a very comfortable middle class household which had enough money to indulge his ambition to go carting, not cheap at all. He was then handpicked by the best karting teams and then fast tracked into the McLaren development programme, being selected ahead of more talented white kids, oh the abuse he must have felt at that time. As soon as he entered F1 his every whim has been granted, again horrendous treatment.
      Now he has become the wokest man alive despite being a tax dodging tw*t who drives for Hitlers favourite car make.

      Wrong thread for politics heimdall but I did have a good laugh reading it as you do make many funny post at times. ;D  You just threw a little too much ground bet for me. I eat all that up but wasn't keen on the worm you put on the hook. A good fisherman wouldn't of cut the worm in half, they'd of threaded the worm through the hook  :lmao:

      Ground bait was tastie though  :lmao: I

       Chat to you again on the Livepool v Chav thread today as we're supporting the same team.

      IRWT  ;D
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      Reply #4964: Jul 22, 2020 08:59:06 am
      Schumacher did not have a vastly superior car as far as I recall, nor did Senna.


      Firstly learn how to spell Stewart.

      Secondly if the McLaren-Honda of 1988/89 wasn’t a vastly superior car to the rest  I’d hate to see one that is.

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      Reply #4965: Jul 22, 2020 09:16:59 am
      Firstly learn how to spell Stewart.

      Secondly if the McLaren-Honda of 1988/89 wasn’t a vastly superior car to the rest  I’d hate to see one that is.



      Do you guys really not find Hamilton to be an insufferable hypocritical patronising virtue signalling tw*t??  His only evidence of racial abuse or discrimination in F1 was a few dickhead Spanish fans who blackfaced in one race, WOW the persecution!!! Hamilton is now in a position to order his team to change their livery and bully his fellow drivers into this nonsense kneeling. The fact that there are no other Black drivers is not a sign of systemic racism in the sport rather that its a very expensive sport to get started in, carting. Hamilton was lucky that he grew up in a comfortable middle class family and in part because of his skin colour was picked ahead of other children for McLaren's youth development programme, he has no credibility in claiming discrimination because in his professional career he has not faced any, if anything he's had significant Black privilege.


      In any case I don't want to ruin the thread, apologies for that, but I just have to say my piece about Hamilton.
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      Reply #4966: Jul 22, 2020 09:59:57 am
      Do you guys really not find Hamilton to be an insufferable hypocritical patronising virtue signalling tw*t??  His only evidence of racial abuse or discrimination in F1 was a few dickhead Spanish fans who blackfaced in one race, WOW the persecution!!! Hamilton is now in a position to order his team to change their livery and bully his fellow drivers into this nonsense kneeling. The fact that there are no other Black drivers is not a sign of systemic racism in the sport rather that its a very expensive sport to get started in, carting. Hamilton was lucky that he grew up in a comfortable middle class family and in part because of his skin colour was picked ahead of other children for McLaren's youth development programme, he has no credibility in claiming discrimination because in his professional career he has not faced any, if anything he's had significant Black privilege.


      In any case I don't want to ruin the thread, apologies for that, but I just have to say my piece about Hamilton.

      I never gave you my opinion on Hamilton, I was merely pointing out something in your piece I had an issue with namely drivers in dominant cars.

      I think the irony of this is that Hamilton is using his position of power and privilege to push the agenda which is exactly what he claims the establishment do and what leads to what he perceives as the problem.
      Nobody has put to him the hypocrisy of his position in respect of Mercedes and Hugo Boss. Why?
      Because they know that in order to do their job they need access to him, access he will deny them if they have the temerity to question him.

      As to where he fits in the Goat argument personally I'm always drawn towards racers rather than drivers.
      So give me Peterson or Villeneuve every time. Current crop? Maybe Verstappen.
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      Reply #4967: Jul 22, 2020 12:37:58 pm
      Hamilton is not even close to Senna and Schumacher in terms of driving excellence

      Yes he is.

      Simple as that. If you think otherwise you're clueless
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      Reply #4968: Jul 22, 2020 04:01:02 pm
      Yes he is.

      Simple as that. If you think otherwise you're clueless

      OK maybe I was being a bit clumsy in how I referred to Hamilton, he is of course an excellent racer, but I honestly think both Schumacher and Senna were better than him, the proof of that is how they achieved results/wins when not in the best cars, has Lewis ever done that?

      In reality its very hard to judge these things, all three drivers belong to different eras and they never properly competed against each other.
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      Reply #4969: Jul 23, 2020 10:31:43 am
      I don't think I'd put Hamilton quite on the same level as Schumacher or Senna,
      but lets be real.
      He's in the conversation with them as one of the greats.
      Guy deserves a Knighthood for what he has achieved in Formula 1.
      He should pass the remaining records that Schumacher has this season,
      on Ferrari turf of all places.

      Greatest driver of his era without question.

      For me it would be:
      Senna,
      Schumacher,
      Hamilton.

      I'd have no problem with others taking a different viewpoint though.
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      Reply #4970: Jul 23, 2020 10:41:02 am
      I don't think I'd put Hamilton quite on the same level as Schumacher or Senna,
      but lets be real.
      He's in the conversation with them as one of the greats.
      Guy deserves a Knighthood for what he has achieved in Formula 1.
      He should pass the remaining records that Schumacher has this season,
      on Ferrari turf of all places.

      Greatest driver of his era without question.

      For me it would be:
      Senna,
      Schumacher,
      Hamilton.

      I'd have no problem with others taking a different viewpoint though.

      There's a hell of a lot of other greats in Formula 1 as well, Fangio, Sterling Moss, Prost just off the top of my head, as I said its kind of hard to rank them as they were different eras, but one thing is for sure the cars are easier to drive these days, with radio communication and telemetry to engineers plus of course much much safer, but on the flip side the G forces are much greater so drivers need to be fitter.
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      Reply #4971: Jul 23, 2020 10:44:51 am
      I don't think I'd put Hamilton quite on the same level as Schumacher or Senna,
      but lets be real.
      He's in the conversation with them as one of the greats.
      Guy deserves a Knighthood for what he has achieved in Formula 1.
      He should pass the remaining records that Schumacher has this season,
      on Ferrari turf of all places.

      Greatest driver of his era without question.

      For me it would be:
      Senna,
      Schumacher,
      Hamilton.

      I'd have no problem with others taking a different viewpoint though.

      I have the same 3 Racer just in different order.
      Hamilton
      Senna
      Schumacher
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      Reply #4972: Jul 23, 2020 01:10:02 pm
      I don't think I'd put Hamilton quite on the same level as Schumacher or Senna,
      but lets be real.
      He's in the conversation with them as one of the greats.
      Guy deserves a Knighthood for what he has achieved in Formula 1.
      He should pass the remaining records that Schumacher has this season,
      on Ferrari turf of all places.

      Greatest driver of his era without question.

      For me it would be:
      Senna,
      Schumacher,
      Hamilton.

      I'd have no problem with others taking a different viewpoint though.

      Exactly my orders as well.
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      Reply #4973: Jul 24, 2020 10:59:20 pm
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      I never gave you my opinion on Hamilton, I was merely pointing out something in your piece I had an issue with namely drivers in dominant cars.

      I think the irony of this is that Hamilton is using his position of power and privilege to push the agenda which is exactly what he claims the establishment do and what leads to what he perceives as the problem.
      Nobody has put to him the hypocrisy of his position in respect of Mercedes and Hugo Boss. Why?
      Because they know that in order to do their job they need access to him, access he will deny them if they have the temerity to question him.

      A brave driver, such as Stewart just did. A dyslexic who campaigned for and achieved real change in the sport, which today's drivers, Hamilton included, owe a huge debt of gratitude to, not dismissed as an uneducated rant from an "older generation" .

      Hamilton, as the rest of the drivers, had no interest in organising rallies before every race until an incident in the USA. Now when other drivers want to focus on their racing and work on their cars with their engineers on the grid, he drags them all off for political rallies demanding unity, while wearing a shirt with a different message on it to the rest of them. It's not enough for them to simply show their support for the cause anymore, they either all follow the ring leader or have to answer questions.

      He says he has a platform and he's determined to use it. The reality is that most women and men with his background, want to do other things for a living than drive sports cars, spending most of the year far away from their loved ones, especially at his age. That's not racism, that is a personal choice. These rallies may grab the attention he's looking for, but if it's change he wants, he's set to be disappointed. Next year's driver lineups are mostly set in stone, and it's basically more of the same. Mainly rearranging the deck chairs than rocking the system.

      Now that he's first in the standings, he should  canter to victory by half a lap or so in the next few races, at nice easy tracks where he's won multiple times, that suit him and his car down to the ground. Then everyone can marvel at how great he is. As he realises himself, some things never change.
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      Reply #4974: Jul 28, 2020 04:17:54 pm
      There's a hell of a lot of other greats in Formula 1 as well, Fangio, Sterling Moss, Prost just off the top of my head, as I said its kind of hard to rank them as they were different eras, but one thing is for sure the cars are easier to drive these days, with radio communication and telemetry to engineers plus of course much much safer, but on the flip side the G forces are much greater so drivers need to be fitter.

      Some might argue it was easier when you had a semi-auto box and didn't have to adjust 20 dials on the dashboard while trying to drive.
      There is something about those 90/00 cars though. Lighter and look like they're dancing on the tarmac.
      I don't believe older generation of drivers would enjoy the transistion to the heavier F1 cars nowadays that require days on a simulator to
      intergrate into the systems.

      I have the same 3 Racer just in different order.
      Hamilton
      Senna
      Schumacher


      All preferance really Keith.
      I'm sure others might argue that Vettel & Prost should be in the debate,
      but I think Hamilton & Senna are in instead.
      Others might put Fangio and Lauda in instead.

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