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      Reply #3810 : May 14, 2017 02:45:09 pm »
      Football had to take a back seat while this played to its conclusion. What a race.

      One of the greatest tactical battles I have seen in f1 between two great teams and two great drivers. Credit to Mercedes - they've called their tactics wrong more than right this season but that decision to pull Lewis in right at the end of the virtual safety car was inspired. All at an unbelievably scorching pace by the two of them. One of the best GP's I've seen in a long long time.
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      Reply #3811 : May 14, 2017 02:47:04 pm »
      Football had to take a back seat while this played to its conclusion. What a race.

      One of the greatest tactical battles I have seen in f1 between two great teams and two great drivers. Credit to Mercedes - they've called their tactics wrong more than right this season but that decision to pull Lewis in right at the end of the virtual safety car was inspired. All at an unbelievably scorching pace by the two of them. One of the best GP's I've seen in a long long time.

      I switched to the match as soon as Lewis got by mate.

      Was a formality for me then.
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      Reply #3812 : May 14, 2017 02:52:15 pm »
      I switched to the match as soon as Lewis got by mate.

      Was a formality for me then.

      Genuinely thought Lewis's tyres would run out by the end seeing as he was on the softer compound while Seb was on the harder. Mightily impressed by how Lewis managed to set the fastest lap on them just two laps from the end. Two drivers can be proud with their efforts - both pushed to the absolute limit. What a season this is turning into be.
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      Reply #3813 : May 14, 2017 03:41:21 pm »
      Football had to take a back seat while this played to its conclusion. What a race.

      One of the greatest tactical battles I have seen in f1 between two great teams and two great drivers. Credit to Mercedes - they've called their tactics wrong more than right this season but that decision to pull Lewis in right at the end of the virtual safety car was inspired. All at an unbelievably scorching pace by the two of them. One of the best GP's I've seen in a long long time.

      Absolutely Franky, unusual Ferrari get caught on the back foot with strategy calls. Vettel was asking how Hammy got 6 seconds back on him  :lmao: This race was great for the sport as a whole as I must be  the only one who wants Hammy to win boring races by a distance  ;D

      Do you think when Vettel came out of his last pit stop he tried to squeeze Hammy out??
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      Reply #3814 : May 14, 2017 03:54:14 pm »
      Absolutely Franky, unusual Ferrari get caught on the back foot with strategy calls. Vettel was asking how Hammy got 6 seconds back on him  :lmao: This race was great for the sport as a whole as I must be  the only one who wants Hammy to win boring races by a distance  ;D

      Do you think when Vettel came out of his last pit stop he tried to squeeze Hammy out??

      Definitely up there amongst Lewis's best and most hard fought victories.

      I think it was fair racing by Vettel but then again I'm quite lenient with almost any racing that doesn't end up with someone in the wall or with a wing off!

      Take another incident from the race - I personally hated the 'Verstappen rule' that was enforced last year where you weren't allowed to move twice across the race track. The overtake duel between Vettel and Bottas showed just how superb racing can be if the driver is allowed to use the track available to him. It may heighten the danger but then again, since when was F1 not dangerous?! I think Ross Brawn spending a career defending Schumacher's hard racing as his technical director has allowed him to come in in his new role as one of the new bosses of the sport and say to the stewards 'take it easy' :D


      edit: Here it is
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      Reply #3815 : May 14, 2017 05:10:23 pm »
      Definitely up there amongst Lewis's best and most hard fought victories.

      I think it was fair racing by Vettel but then again I'm quite lenient with almost any racing that doesn't end up with someone in the wall or with a wing off!

      Take another incident from the race - I personally hated the 'Verstappen rule' that was enforced last year where you weren't allowed to move twice across the race track. The overtake duel between Vettel and Bottas showed just how superb racing can be if the driver is allowed to use the track available to him. It may heighten the danger but then again, since when was F1 not dangerous?! I think Ross Brawn spending a career defending Schumacher's hard racing as his technical director has allowed him to come in in his new role as one of the new bosses of the sport and say to the stewards 'take it easy' :D


      edit: Here it is
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      Agree mate.

      I seen nothing wrong with Seb's racing there.
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      Reply #3816 : May 14, 2017 07:30:42 pm »
      Worth noting - Red Bull of Ricciardo finished nearly a full lap behind Hamilton and Vettel. Mammoth gap and it just seems the car is not anywhere near the level we expected RB to be.

      That title challenge I thought would emerge with Red Bull this season has not come to fruition. I know a lot of people will make the point that the Renault engine isn't integrated with the Red Bull chassis in the way it used to be given that Renault has its own works team again but I just wonder whether Newey's design capabilities become a lot less advantageous when the rules allow teams to really maximise downforce and grip levels. Before the rule changes in 2009 that saw aero levels reduced the last car he designed that was a title winning car before the 2010 Red Bull was the 1998 McLaren - a gap of 12 years. In that 12 years F1 really seemed to develop rapidly on the aero front with Rory Byrne and Ferrari in particular benefiting. Bar the odd car here and there (like the 2005 McLaren) Newey never really got a look in during the 00s era. But since the strict aero regulations were enforced from 2009 up until last year his talents really emerged and his exploitation of those stricter/less freer design rules were well cited. Seems to be the more reduced the aero levels are in the sport, the more prominent a figure Adrian Newey is but once all that aero is given back with the new extreme aero rules the less 'great' he looks.

      Just a theory. And probably a sh*t one.


      p.s - another FANTASTIC result for Force India. Amazing consistency by Ocon and Perez. Team of the season so far for me. Must be that fantastic pink paint job.
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      Reply #3817 : May 14, 2017 11:59:13 pm »
      Worth noting - Red Bull of Ricciardo finished nearly a full lap behind Hamilton and Vettel. Mammoth gap and it just seems the car is not anywhere near the level we expected RB to be.

      That title challenge I thought would emerge with Red Bull this season has not come to fruition. I know a lot of people will make the point that the Renault engine isn't integrated with the Red Bull chassis in the way it used to be given that Renault has its own works team again but I just wonder whether Newey's design capabilities become a lot less advantageous when the rules allow teams to really maximise downforce and grip levels. Before the rule changes in 2009 that saw aero levels reduced the last car he designed that was a title winning car before the 2010 Red Bull was the 1998 McLaren - a gap of 12 years. In that 12 years F1 really seemed to develop rapidly on the aero front with Rory Byrne and Ferrari in particular benefiting. Bar the odd car here and there (like the 2005 McLaren) Newey never really got a look in during the 00s era. But since the strict aero regulations were enforced from 2009 up until last year his talents really emerged and his exploitation of those stricter/less freer design rules were well cited. Seems to be the more reduced the aero levels are in the sport, the more prominent a figure Adrian Newey is but once all that aero is given back with the new extreme aero rules the less 'great' he looks.

      Just a theory. And probably a sh*t one.


      p.s - another FANTASTIC result for Force India. Amazing consistency by Ocon and Perez. Team of the season so far for me. Must be that fantastic pink paint job.

      I think in this era of Formula 1 cars that the engine has been the biggest driver of performance.
      See Williams and Force India challenging the mega buck team of Red Bull.
      That said. I don't think Red Bull have called the new regs right AT ALL this season.
      Look at how aggressive Mercedes and Ferrari have gone on aero.
      Red Bull have gone down a different/wrong path of clean lines, less drag.
      They're months behind because of that.
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      Reply #3818 : May 15, 2017 12:29:34 am »
      I think in this era of Formula 1 cars that the engine has been the biggest driver of performance.
      See Williams and Force India challenging the mega buck team of Red Bull.
      That said. I don't think Red Bull have called the new regs right AT ALL this season.
      Look at how aggressive Mercedes and Ferrari have gone on aero.
      Red Bull have gone down a different/wrong path of clean lines, less drag.
      They're months behind because of that.

      Do you think they need to shake up the design philosophy there?

      I'm not even certain the Red Bull is as comfortably the third best as it is showing. For me Ricciardo and Verstappen are possibly the fastest pairing on the grid but swap them with any other driver that isn't Hamilton or Vettel and the car will look even more unspectacular.
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      Reply #3819 : May 16, 2017 11:45:48 am »
      Do you think they need to shake up the design philosophy there?

      I'm not even certain the Red Bull is as comfortably the third best as it is showing. For me Ricciardo and Verstappen are possibly the fastest pairing on the grid but swap them with any other driver that isn't Hamilton or Vettel and the car will look even more unspectacular.

      Been saying for awhile that there are a few personnel changes needed.
      Not sure why they haven't taken some staff from STR.
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      Reply #3820 : May 19, 2017 05:13:11 pm »
      https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1/status/865599905544495104

      Things going well for Alonso as he prepares for Indy 500 next week.
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      Reply #3821 : May 21, 2017 09:14:57 pm »
      Indy 500 qualifying is on BT Sport right now. Alonso in the top 9 shootout. Leaning a lot more about Indy 500 this year!
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      Reply #3822 : May 21, 2017 11:06:43 pm »
      https://twitter.com/IMS/status/866412900285657089

      Alonso qualifies 5th for next Sunday's Indy 500. For a 'rookie' who is so inexperienced in racing those cars that is an incredible effort. Goes to show what a fine driver he is. New Zealander Scott Dixon takes pole. Our old friend Takuma Sato starts alongside Fernando in 4th place.
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      Reply #3823 : May 21, 2017 11:21:07 pm »
      Best thing about F1.....

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk2t2hIATCU

      Yep, for me, this clip!
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      Reply #3824 : May 26, 2017 11:14:27 am »
      Monaco GP this weekend. Ferrari looked good in practice yesterday. Unbelievably just found out that if Ferrari win then it will be their first win at the principality since Schumacher's in 2001!!
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      Reply #3825 : May 26, 2017 12:10:34 pm »
      Monaco GP this weekend. Ferrari looked good in practice yesterday. Unbelievably just found out that if Ferrari win then it will be their first win at the principality since Schumacher's in 2001!!

      Yeah I read that too. My heart say Hammy this weekend (( as usual )) but my head says Vettel  :-\
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      Reply #3826 : May 26, 2017 12:16:36 pm »
      Monaco GP this weekend. Ferrari looked good in practice yesterday. Unbelievably just found out that if Ferrari win then it will be their first win at the principality since Schumacher's in 2001!!

      I thought Alonso won whilst at Ferrari, obviously I was wrong though.

      Going for a Vettel win this time.
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      Reply #3827 : May 26, 2017 12:29:53 pm »
      I thought Alonso won whilst at Ferrari, obviously I was wrong though.

      Going for a Vettel win this time.

      Yeah I had to think twice but I think - Fernando won it in the Renault and McLaren in two consecutive years in 06 and 07 but has never won it since.

      No doubting who the King of Monaco is though!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auXfAHHNSFo
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      Reply #3828 : May 26, 2017 01:46:19 pm »
      I thought Alonso won whilst at Ferrari, obviously I was wrong though.

      Going for a Vettel win this time.

      Alonso won in the MAC and Renault
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      Reply #3829 : May 26, 2017 10:30:31 pm »
      https://twitter.com/ESPNF1/status/868161548274905088

      Lance Stroll. Hot prospect or just a bag of money?
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      Reply #3830 : May 26, 2017 10:47:16 pm »

      Difficult to say at this early stage but so far he hasn't screamed hot prospect to me.
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      Reply #3831 : May 26, 2017 10:55:16 pm »
      Yeah I agree. He's got impressive results in the lower formulas but I've not seen a flash of his talent so far.

      I do think he's been a bit unlucky with coming into f1 when these new faster, more aggressive cars came in compared to when Verstappen first entered f1 a couple of years back in tamer machines. But Williams knew that when signing him up so it's not really an argument that carries.
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      Reply #3832 : May 26, 2017 11:05:51 pm »
      Yeah I agree. He's got impressive results in the lower formulas but I've not seen a flash of his talent so far.

      I do think he's been a bit unlucky with coming into f1 when these new faster, more aggressive cars came in compared to when Verstappen first entered f1 a couple of years back in tamer machines. But Williams knew that when signing him up so it's not really an argument that carries.

      He may well still prove to be a great driver but someone like  Max is a born racer and a tough act to follow
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      Reply #3833 : May 26, 2017 11:12:39 pm »
      He may well still prove to be a great driver but someone like  Max is a born racer and a tough act to follow

      Yeah you feel Max is a once in a generation type driver.
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      Reply #3834 : May 27, 2017 11:59:03 am »
      Just settling down to watch Qualifying.

      Love Monaco.
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      Reply #3835 : May 27, 2017 12:54:14 pm »
      Just settling down to watch Qualifying.

      Love Monaco.

      Me too. No where I'd rather be in the world right now. Actually that probably applies to most days when discussing Monte Carlo!

      Can't wait to see how these new machines tackle the track at full speed.
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      Reply #3836 : May 27, 2017 12:55:02 pm »
      Me too. No where I'd rather be in the world right now. Actually that probably applies to most days when discussing Monte Carlo!

      Can't wait to see how these new machines tackle the track at full speed.

      Going to be exciting.

      I think Seb for pole with a possible Ferrari lock out.

      Max could spring a surprise though.
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      Reply #3837 : May 27, 2017 12:58:47 pm »
      Going to be exciting.

      I think Seb for pole with a possible Ferrari lock out.


      Unfortunately I agree  :(
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      Reply #3838 : May 27, 2017 01:00:14 pm »
      Going to be exciting.

      I think Seb for pole with a possible Ferrari lock out.

      Max could spring a surprise though.

      Yep - Ferrari 1/2 for me as well. Look beastly so far this weekend.

      I think Hulkenberg could be handy if he hooks the car up.
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      Reply #3839 : May 27, 2017 01:08:48 pm »
      Red Bull going well in Q1

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