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      Re: Formula 1
      Reply #4200: Feb 13, 2018 09:29:34 am
      I think Verstappen will have more motivation than Hammy simply because he's younger and more hungry for success. As we both know if red bull don't have the car the best he can hope for is third this year. He had plenty of end.

       If red bull do pull the car out for this season and match the top two we're in for one of the best seasons ever. I hope they do as the excitement will only come second to United v Liverpool.  ;D
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      Reply #4201: Feb 13, 2018 09:56:11 am
      Interesting racer - do you think McLaren have something up their sleeve?

      The Allison effect at Mercedes will be fascinating. An Aldo Costa/James Allison partnership - which could be something given that they worked at Ferrari under Brawn during the dominant Schumi years! Ominous even?!

      Worst part of that is Ferrari had both of them only recently and let them go.
      The pairing is ominous alright. I would like to think Ferrari have learned from their mistakes last season.
      I don't think it's a case of McLaren having anything up their sleeve but rather it was accepted they built a good chassis last season and the engine was absolutely woeful from Honda.
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      Reply #4202: Feb 13, 2018 03:26:54 pm
      Worst part of that is Ferrari had both of them only recently and let them go.
      The pairing is ominous alright. I would like to think Ferrari have learned from their mistakes last season.
      I don't think it's a case of McLaren having anything up their sleeve but rather it was accepted they built a good chassis last season and the engine was absolutely woeful from Honda.

      It's still unfathomable how they let Costa and Allison go. It's that kind of tempestuousness (even petulance) displayed (these days by Marchionne) that gives me doubts about their ability to sustain their challenge in the long run with little to no tolerance for error. Arrivabene's position seemed to be fragile only a couple of months back and that old climate of fear  that Brawn described was prevalent across the team before his arrival in the mid 90s seems to have crawled its way back in. 
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      Reply #4203: Feb 19, 2018 06:19:01 pm
      I know it's not staying but the Red Bull camo livery looks awesome.
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      Reply #4204: Feb 20, 2018 10:39:32 pm
      I haven't come here in a while. Anyway, some random thoughts on recent races and the races to come.

      Singapore last year was the decisive moment really. Vettel was under threat of a race ban at the time, so the incident he caused at the first corner was crazy. Singapore is a 2 hour anticlockwise 61 lap slog with regular safety cars. There was no need to put up a fight with either car alongside him on the first lap. Even if he was not first at the first corner, he could still have easily won the race or take a significant number of points. Instead he crashed and was playing catch up after that.

      I'm happy Malaysia is gone. I never liked the circuit, there was never any atmosphere as the place was near deserted, and the time of the race was always awkward. The sunset race circuit in the UAE isn't the easiest place to overtake, but at least the location is stunning.

      For the year coming, most of the times for the European races have been put back an hour. Liberty say it's to see more of the race build up, the reality is it will be stuffed with more tv commercials. Formula 1 has never been a woman friendly environment, but scrapping the grid girls makes it even more so, and was done to appeal to the PC friendly American audience.

      That all pales in comparison though to the Halo gimmick on the cars. Like most F1 fans, I hate it, and don't think it will make racing any safer. In fact it could make it more dangerous, when a car ploughs into a tyre wall or barrier at 200mph. Until now, every driver was able to get out from a big accident quickly and easily. I think it will be rather more difficult when a car ends up in the likes of Eau Rouge or Degner 2. I think that once there is a big accident, common sense will see the gimmick come off the cars soon enough. I also think attendances and viewing figures will be lower this year, after people see it in action.

      I don't support any driver or team, I just want to see close competitive unpredictable races, not see one team/driver stroll to yet another championship.
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      Reply #4205: Feb 21, 2018 04:00:53 pm
      2018/19 Colours.

      Williams




      HAAS




      RedBull




      Renault




      Sauber




      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/43108581
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      Reply #4206: Feb 21, 2018 04:15:38 pm
      I know it's not staying but the Red Bull camo livery looks awesome.

      Agreed. They know how to make a splash at times do Red Bull. Like the black and yellow wasp look of the new Renault as above in RedPuppy's post. Hopefully it runs as well as it looks! Williams car looks a lot different from last year's (which looked really really tame) but this new one under Paddy Lowe's leadership definitely is a big transformation.

      Sauber Alfa Romeo livery is a big disappointment - crap even. The one Racer did on here and the mock up version by Sean Bull on twitter were infinitely more attractive.

      https://twitter.com/seanbulldesign/status/965857932624695296
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      Reply #4207: Feb 21, 2018 05:49:21 pm
      Actually the best design seen all winter goes to Fernando Alonso's new helmet!

      https://twitter.com/alo_oficial/status/966320634472091648
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      Reply #4208: Feb 21, 2018 08:47:42 pm
      Agreed. They know how to make a splash at times do Red Bull. Like the black and yellow wasp look of the new Renault as above in RedPuppy's post. Hopefully it runs as well as it looks! Williams car looks a lot different from last year's (which looked really really tame) but this new one under Paddy Lowe's leadership definitely is a big transformation.

      Sauber Alfa Romeo livery is a big disappointment - crap even. The one Racer did on here and the mock up version by Sean Bull on twitter were infinitely more attractive.

      https://twitter.com/seanbulldesign/status/965857932624695296

      Renault looks great.
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      Reply #4209: Feb 22, 2018 12:09:41 am
      Agreed. They know how to make a splash at times do Red Bull. Like the black and yellow wasp look of the new Renault as above in RedPuppy's post. Hopefully it runs as well as it looks! Williams car looks a lot different from last year's (which looked really really tame) but this new one under Paddy Lowe's leadership definitely is a big transformation.

      Sauber Alfa Romeo livery is a big disappointment - crap even. The one Racer did on here and the mock up version by Sean Bull on twitter were infinitely more attractive.

      https://twitter.com/seanbulldesign/status/965857932624695296

      Agree, and not just about mine being better.
      That Alfa Romeo Sauber needs more red.

      Loving the Renault.
      Proper integration of the halo.
      First one that hasn't put me off.
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      Reply #4210: Feb 22, 2018 02:05:36 pm
      https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/966656561635610624

      How tight are these Mercedes cars? Nice of Mercedes to do a proper launch with lots of images and angles unlike the rest!


      Also...ORANGE MCLAREN ALERT!
      https://twitter.com/F1PaddockPass/status/966618513405304833
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      Reply #4211: Feb 22, 2018 07:30:30 pm
      And Ferrari's new car also revealed today. I wonder if it can leap frog the Mercedes?

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      Reply #4212: Feb 22, 2018 07:40:08 pm
      And Ferrari's new car also revealed today. I wonder if it can leap frog the Mercedes?



      I think if anyone is going to challenge Merc it'll be Ferrari.

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      Reply #4213: Feb 22, 2018 07:48:40 pm
      I think if anyone is going to challenge Merc it'll be Ferrari.



      Me too. It was a brilliant car they provided last year so they're working from a great basis and if they can up their qualifying performances so they obtain more poles then as seen last year they've got the race pace and a bit more to beat the Silver Arrows. Really looking forward to seeing the McLaren tomorrow. With the Renault engine, it should be the best car Alonso's had in years.
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      Reply #4214: Feb 22, 2018 07:55:31 pm
      Me too. It was a brilliant car they provided last year so they're working from a great basis and if they can up their qualifying performances so they obtain more poles then as seen last year they've got the race pace and a bit more to beat the Silver Arrows. Really looking forward to seeing the McLaren tomorrow. With the Renault engine, it should be the best car Alonso's had in years.

      Looking forward to tomorrow as well and there's nothing I'd live more this season than McLaren providing a car that Alonso can trouble the podium with.

      I'd love Red Bull to be right in the mix with Mercedes and Ferrari but I feel the Renault engine won't be quite up there but of anything the battle for 3rd should be really interesting this season.
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      Reply #4215: Feb 23, 2018 10:10:14 am
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      Reply #4216: Feb 23, 2018 01:07:22 pm

      Looks fabulous. Great to see McLaren finally commit to the Papaya orange after years of fans demands and away from the lifeless paranoid dull corporate colours of Ron Dennis's time. Will brighten the whole grid up that car!
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      Reply #4217: Feb 23, 2018 03:29:20 pm
      Looks fabulous. Great to see McLaren finally commit to the Papaya orange after years of fans demands and away from the lifeless paranoid dull corporate colours of Ron Dennis's time. Will brighten the whole grid up that car!

      I mocked up some versions of the car with blue on the top half of the halo.
      Think it would make it even better. Best looking car on the grid as it is though.

      http://twitter.com/Racerx34/status/967023461146259456


      Oh and bring back black and gold on a Ferrari.

      http://twitter.com/Racerx34/status/966968484138758145
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      Reply #4218: Feb 23, 2018 04:04:03 pm
      I mocked up some versions of the car with blue on the top half of the halo.
      Think it would make it even better. Best looking car on the grid as it is though.

      http://twitter.com/Racerx34/status/967023461146259456


      Oh and bring back black and gold on a Ferrari.

      http://twitter.com/Racerx34/status/966968484138758145

      Oh yeah I definitely like that blue halo. Ugly thing as it is so they might as well try having a bit of fun.

      Like the Ferrari black and gold touch hailing back to another era as well.

      What do you make of the McLaren in a technical sense racer?
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      Reply #4219: Feb 23, 2018 04:23:33 pm
      Oh yeah I definitely like that blue halo. Ugly thing as it is so they might as well try having a bit of fun.

      Like the Ferrari black and gold touch hailing back to another era as well.

      What do you make of the McLaren in a technical sense racer?

      I think last year it had arguably one of the best chassis out there.
      Top 4 at least. Hard to judge with something that hasn't the grunt of the others,
      but Alonso's corner speeds were consistently up there.

      That said a lot will depend on Renault.
      Said to have 950+ HP.
      Mercedes and Ferrari are 1,000+.

      Interesting that Ferrari have copied their Front pillar design for this year.
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      Reply #4220: Feb 23, 2018 05:21:33 pm

      Love it.

      Still have the Renault as my favourite though.
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      Reply #4221: Feb 23, 2018 05:52:09 pm
      Love it.

      Still have the Renault as my favourite though.

      McLaren, Mercedes and Renault my top 3.
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      Reply #4222: Feb 23, 2018 06:27:07 pm
      McLaren, Mercedes and Renault my top 3.

      Merc.
      Ferrari.
      Williams.

      I like the Alfa Romeo livery too..

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      Reply #4223: Feb 23, 2018 10:48:37 pm
      McLaren, Mercedes and Renault my top 3.

      McLaren and Renault my favourites.
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      Reply #4224: Feb 24, 2018 11:54:42 am
      McLaren and Renault my favourites.

      Likewise.

      Renault closely followed by McLaren.

      Hope they go as good as they look as well.
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      Reply #4225: Feb 26, 2018 06:14:42 pm
      Hartley completed the second most laps today.

      Could this years Honda engine be more reliable than they have been?
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      Reply #4226: Feb 26, 2018 07:25:51 pm
      Hartley completed the second most laps today.

      Could this years Honda engine be more reliable than they have been?

      I wouldn't be surprised knowing McLaren's luck! It'll be interesting to see how that partnership between Toro Rosso and Honda develops. If it goes well then an exclusive Red Bull partnership could be in the works.

      I'm loving Force India's (for however long they will remain Force India that is) more vibrant, deep pink for their livery this year. F1 team's need an identity like the yellow of the B&H Jordan's in the late 90s/early 00s and it's nice to see them fully embrace a distinctive look on behalf of their title sponsor. It'll be fascinating to see if they continue to outperform the richer squads around them this year.

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      Reply #4227: Mar 01, 2018 08:51:51 pm
      Fastest lap times from the final day of the first pre season test:

      1. Hamilton (Mercedes) – 1m19.333s (medium) – 69 laps
      2. Vandoorne (McLaren) – 1m19.854s (hypersoft) – 110 laps
      3. Vettel (Ferrari) – 1m20.241s (soft) – 120 laps
      4. Magnussen (Haas) – 1m20.317s (supersoft) – 96 laps
      5. Alonso (McLaren) – 1m20.929s (supersoft) – 51 laps
      6. Sainz (Renault) – 1m20.940s (medium) – 60 laps
      7. Stroll (Williams) – 1m21.142s (soft) – 54 laps
      8. Perez (Force India) – 1m21.973s (soft) – 65 laps
      9. Verstappen (Red Bull) – 1m22.058s (soft) – 35 laps
      10. Gasly (Toro Rosso) – 1m22.134s (supersoft) – 147 laps
      11. Hulkenberg (Renault) – 1m22.507s (soft) – 49 laps
      12. Bottas (Mercedes) – 1m22.789s (medium) – 60 laps
      13. Leclerc (Sauber) – 1m22.808s (soft) – 59 laps
      14. Ericsson (Sauber) – 1m23.825s (supersoft) – 79 laps
      15. Sirotkin (Williams) – 1m31.979s (intermediate) – 47 laps
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/43248961

      Too early to read into that headline lap by Hamilton? Vandoorne on the hypersofts has let to a lot of social media users crowing about McLaren trying to set fast laps in order to attract a major sponsor which seems an unlikely thing to do considering that I can't remember them ever doing so in the previous few years when they've not had a title sponsor. Journalist James Allen says the car looks very good aerodynamically and that we shouldn't underestimate this car which is encouraging at least.
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      Reply #4228: Mar 01, 2018 09:40:38 pm
      Fastest lap times from the final day of the first pre season test:

      1. Hamilton (Mercedes) – 1m19.333s (medium) – 69 laps
      2. Vandoorne (McLaren) – 1m19.854s (hypersoft) – 110 laps
      3. Vettel (Ferrari) – 1m20.241s (soft) – 120 laps
      4. Magnussen (Haas) – 1m20.317s (supersoft) – 96 laps
      5. Alonso (McLaren) – 1m20.929s (supersoft) – 51 laps
      6. Sainz (Renault) – 1m20.940s (medium) – 60 laps
      7. Stroll (Williams) – 1m21.142s (soft) – 54 laps
      8. Perez (Force India) – 1m21.973s (soft) – 65 laps
      9. Verstappen (Red Bull) – 1m22.058s (soft) – 35 laps
      10. Gasly (Toro Rosso) – 1m22.134s (supersoft) – 147 laps
      11. Hulkenberg (Renault) – 1m22.507s (soft) – 49 laps
      12. Bottas (Mercedes) – 1m22.789s (medium) – 60 laps
      13. Leclerc (Sauber) – 1m22.808s (soft) – 59 laps
      14. Ericsson (Sauber) – 1m23.825s (supersoft) – 79 laps
      15. Sirotkin (Williams) – 1m31.979s (intermediate) – 47 laps
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/43248961

      Too early to read into that headline lap by Hamilton? Vandoorne on the hypersofts has let to a lot of social media users crowing about McLaren trying to set fast laps in order to attract a major sponsor which seems an unlikely thing to do considering that I can't remember them ever doing so in the previous few years when they've not had a title sponsor. Journalist James Allen says the car looks very good aerodynamically and that we shouldn't underestimate this car which is encouraging at least.

      Please to see teams matching Mercedes for the amount of laps run,
      but the Medium pace seems ominous.

      Still time in the cars though but that's a warning shot.
      They did the same 2 years ago. Ran nothing but Medium. Still fastest.
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      Re: Formula 1
      Reply #4229: Mar 07, 2018 11:59:03 am
      See McLaren & Honda having reliability issues again....   :f_tongueincheek:  :roll:

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