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      Re: Formula 1
      Reply #4800: May 26, 2019 05:42:49 pm
      Looking forward to the battles in years to come between Verstappen and Leclerc!
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      Reply #4801: May 26, 2019 06:27:10 pm
      Looking forward to the battles in years to come between Verstappen and Leclerc!

      Going to get feisty with these two for sure  :lmao:
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      Reply #4802: May 26, 2019 07:49:43 pm
      you could have had Hamilton in a school bus and he would have had the same result. The previous winners from the days of square wheels have come from the front three you cant overtake and Leclerc only managed his because the other driver gave way unlike his second attempt.
      Lewis is so far ahead of the other drivers now he is clearly working on a different level he has more than double the points of Vettel so far and Merc will have the Team Prize won in record time this season and today were denied another one-two by the Stewards who bottled it only giving Max a 5 second time penalty. talking of strategists I wonder what cunning plan Ferrari have for the next GP to scupper Leclerc's race
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      Reply #4803: May 27, 2019 10:34:20 am
      Knew he wouldn't be able to do it first time round in the Ferrari  ;)

      I took him out of my Teams ahead of the weekend.
      Backed Mercedes. Backed Hamilton for pole and the win.
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      Reply #4804: May 27, 2019 06:28:59 pm
      I took him out of my Teams ahead of the weekend.
      Backed Mercedes. Backed Hamilton for pole and the win.

      Makes perfect sence from my point of view racer. bit miffed with myself the more i think about it why didn't i bet. Do the bookies take a bet on naming a driver to DNF?? If so did you know the price?
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      Reply #4805: May 27, 2019 06:37:21 pm
      I took him out of my Teams ahead of the weekend.
      Backed Mercedes. Backed Hamilton for pole and the win.

      Thoughts on the 5 second time penalty for Max Verstappen?

      Can't help they were incredibly lenient and now in future unsafe releases that will be the particular hill all teams will fight their battle on. A stupid decision by the stewards in my opinion.
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      Reply #4806: May 27, 2019 11:27:28 pm
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      Reply #4807: May 28, 2019 10:36:53 am
      Thoughts on the 5 second time penalty for Max Verstappen?

      Can't help they were incredibly lenient and now in future unsafe releases that will be the particular hill all teams will fight their battle on. A stupid decision by the stewards in my opinion.

      Definitely an unsafe release.
      Arguably destroyed Bottas' race.
      Cost Verstappen a podium too so I don't know if it's too harsh.
      See a lot of noobs arguing the team should have got the penalty, not Max.
      They deserved a penalty one way or the other and there's probably an argument to be made that he should have got a drive through,
      Max's mentality doesn't lend itself to having to negotiate tight circuits with other cars. Could have easily have taken out both Mercs.
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      Reply #4808: May 28, 2019 11:03:10 am
      Thoughts on the 5 second time penalty for Max Verstappen?

      Can't help they were incredibly lenient and now in future unsafe releases that will be the particular hill all teams will fight their battle on. A stupid decision by the stewards in my opinion.

      Definitely lenient with him as thought it would of been a drive through with a ten second stop. Can only think the reason why they gave him 5 seconds is because it's the hardest track to pass in the calendar anyway. I'd of handled the squeaky bum time better if he'd of had a drive through though  :lmao:
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      Reply #4809: Jun 09, 2019 08:29:25 pm
      Vettel given a 5 second penalty. I'm with Brundle on this one - I don't believe it warranted one. As the commentary and the replay says you can clearly see the back end swinging out when he rejoined. As for 'blocking' - to be honest I don't see how any driver doing anything differently. Ricciardo was moving all over the race track defending from Bottas yet gets away scot free (though I back Danny on that one - I hate the 'move once' rule!) Where's the consistency?

      Unfair.
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      Reply #4810: Jun 09, 2019 09:05:17 pm
      Vettel given a 5 second penalty. I'm with Brundle on this one - I don't believe it warranted one. As the commentary and the replay says you can clearly see the back end swinging out when he rejoined. As for 'blocking' - to be honest I don't see how any driver doing anything differently. Ricciardo was moving all over the race track defending from Bottas yet gets away scot free (though I back Danny on that one - I hate the 'move once' rule!) Where's the consistency?

      Unfair.
      Difficult call because at the end of the day Hammy has done what he does time and time again and forced Vettel in making the mistake which isn't the first time Vettel has buckled under pressure. I wouldn't of argued either way even though I'm a Hammy fan And glad he got the penalty.  However, stewards have all the info in front of them which we don't.

      There's two driver you don't want behind you when leading. No1 Hammy, No 2 Verstappen. Bothe these drivers can put leader under unbearable pressure.
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      Reply #4811: Jun 09, 2019 09:34:14 pm
      Difficult call because at the end of the day Hammy has done what he does time and time again and forced Vettel in making the mistake which isn't the first time Vettel has buckled under pressure. I wouldn't of argued either way even though I'm a Hammy fan And glad he got the penalty.  However, stewards have all the info in front of them which we don't.

      There's two driver you don't want behind you when leading. No1 Hammy, No 2 Verstappen. Bothe these drivers can put leader under unbearable pressure.


      I struggle to see what Vettel could do any differently in the situation. Jenson Button made the point that if he had tried to stick the car to the dusty side (well to the left of the wall) without traction and out of control then he could very well have spun the car and a difficult situation would have turned dangerous. Lewis may have forced the mistake but it wasn't a race costing mistake until the stewards intervened. Robbed of a hard earned victory there was Seb.
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      Reply #4812: Jun 09, 2019 10:04:46 pm
      I struggle to see what Vettel could do any differently in the situation. Jenson Button made the point that if he had tried to stick the car to the dusty side (well to the left of the wall) without traction and out of control then he could very well have spun the car and a difficult situation would have turned dangerous. Lewis may have forced the mistake but it wasn't a race costing mistake until the stewards intervened. Robbed of a hard earned victory there was Seb.

      I think because Hammy forced Vettel into the mistake is basically why stewards think he would of passed even if Vettel hadn't of unintentionally moved over to the racing line. It was a close call but like I said, wouldn't of argued with no penalty either.
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      Reply #4813: Jun 09, 2019 10:43:54 pm
      Hamilton took a much bigger penalty in 2008 to go from first to third. He didn't behave like a three year old like Vettel did.
      Why didn't he try and push to get the 5 second gap instead of switching off and just complaining on the Radio. His behaviour after the race deserved a penalty.
      However I think a penalty should be taken in the pits so the winner is the Car taking the chequered flag this just seemed like a badly applied sanction. It would be interesting to see what the Stewards looked at to give this sanction.
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      Reply #4814: Jun 10, 2019 09:54:34 am
      Not happy with the penalty but ultimately it's Vettel cracking under pressure from Hamilton. Again.
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      Reply #4815: Jun 10, 2019 10:43:32 am
      Not happy with the penalty but ultimately it's Vettel cracking under pressure from Hamilton. Again.

      100% agree. Hammy does it continuously and puts the sh!ts up drivers time and time again, none more so than Vettel   ;D If the wall wasn't there he would of passed him anyway. I know it was a harsh penalty but basically Hammy doing what he does better than any other F1 driver can do.  ;)
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      Reply #4816: Jun 10, 2019 11:03:18 am
      Not happy with the penalty but ultimately it's Vettel cracking under pressure from Hamilton. Again.

      Forced Vettel into the error which I believe made Vettel react to the penalty in the manner he did..Had Hamilton passed though he would have won the race..Vettel seems to crack too much and Lewis has the measure of him..
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      Reply #4817: Jun 10, 2019 11:42:27 am
      Forced Vettel into the error which I believe made Vettel react to the penalty in the manner he did..Had Hamilton passed though he would have won the race..Vettel seems to crack too much and Lewis has the measure of him..

      Same last year in Germany.
      Hamilton starts banging in the times on fresh rubber and Vettel throws away a win.
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      Reply #4818: Jun 10, 2019 12:34:26 pm
      Same last year in Germany.
      Hamilton starts banging in the times on fresh rubber and Vettel throws away a win.

      It’ll happen again this season, forced error from Vettel under Hamilton pressure..

      I also don’t think LeClerc would have been forced into such an error if he had been leading the race with Hamilton chasing behind..
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      Reply #4819: Jun 10, 2019 02:01:52 pm
      Same last year in Germany.
      Hamilton starts banging in the times on fresh rubber and Vettel throws away a win.

      And who can forget Canada 2011 when a rapid Jenson forced the error on the last lap. Making mistakes under pressure have been there for Seb even amongst his glory years.
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      Reply #4820: Jun 10, 2019 02:32:31 pm
      And who can forget Canada 2011 when a rapid Jenson forced the error on the last lap. Making mistakes under pressure have been there for Seb even amongst his glory years.

      On his day Vettel is arguably the fastest driver over a single lap.
      Race craft, especially hitting consistent laps under pressure, seems to be a chink in his armour.
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      Reply #4821: Jun 10, 2019 04:05:17 pm
      On his day Vettel is arguably the fastest driver over a single lap.
      Race craft, especially hitting consistent laps under pressure, seems to be a chink in his armour.

      Completely agree.

      I may be well off with this theory but maybe it has something to do with the fact that so early on in his career he inherited a dominant Red Bull that more often than not sped off way into the distance and won at a canter. Such cars never allowed him to truly race wheel to wheel with the very best at a critical age when he was rounding and moulding his ultimate driving capabilities.

      Lewis has always had excellent race craft such is his nature but while he had handy McLaren's to drive in the first part of his career they were never so good or as dominant as the Red Bull's Vettel drove during the same era so he found himself defending and fighting wheel to wheel more often than his German rival at the same stage of his career.
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      Reply #4822: Jun 10, 2019 04:52:09 pm
      Completely agree.

      I may be well off with this theory but maybe it has something to do with the fact that so early on in his career he inherited a dominant Red Bull that more often than not sped off way into the distance and won at a canter. Such cars never allowed him to truly race wheel to wheel with the very best at a critical age when he was rounding and moulding his ultimate driving capabilities.

      Lewis has always had excellent race craft such is his nature but while he had handy McLaren's to drive in the first part of his career they were never so good or as dominant as the Red Bull's Vettel drove during the same era so he found himself defending and fighting wheel to wheel more often than his German rival at the same stage of his career.

      Maybe. Although I think when it comes down to ruthlessness that Hamilton, much like Alonso, is a level above most of the grid.
      Vettel more emotional than them, which can be seen in the aftermath of the race yesterday.
      Like you said though, Hamilton has learned the hard way from his mistakes early in his career.
      Mistakes that cost him a title in his debut season, when he had to battle against Alonso and Kimi.
      Don't think Vettel ever ironed that out. Going to Ferrari can only add to the emotional aspect.
      Mercedes would only increase the methodical level that Hamilton operates at.
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      Reply #4823: Jun 10, 2019 05:29:44 pm
      Maybe. Although I think when it comes down to ruthlessness that Hamilton, much like Alonso, is a level above most of the grid.
      Vettel more emotional than them, which can be seen in the aftermath of the race yesterday.
      Like you said though, Hamilton has learned the hard way from his mistakes early in his career.
      Mistakes that cost him a title in his debut season, when he had to battle against Alonso and Kimi.
      Don't think Vettel ever ironed that out. Going to Ferrari can only add to the emotional aspect.
      Mercedes would only increase the methodical level that Hamilton operates at.

      Yeah - good point about the emotional aspect and it becomes even more apparent up against the relative coolness and calm of Hamilton and Alonso.
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      Reply #4824: Jun 10, 2019 06:23:28 pm
      If there was any chance of the Stewards changing their decision it was never going to happen with Vettel acting like a three year old.
      It also proves to Hamilton he doesn't need to overtake him just keep in his mirrors and Vettel will crack.

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