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      Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?

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      • Forum Dean Saunders
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      Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?
      Sep 02, 2009 04:14:57 pm
      Just heard on the radio that the City of Liverpool might lose out on being a host City for the World Cup in 2018 unless they come up with a World Class Stadium fairly soon.

      With the Yanks waiting for a Giro before they can buy players and the Kirkby Sock Robbers having to have a Ground built by Tesco, the idea of a joint Stadium has raised its ugly head again. The idea has got a resounding no from both Clubs, and more importantly both sets of fans, but once again the Government and the Council are throwing the idea out there again.

      Does anyone think that the World Cup is that important that we have to lose the individual identity of both Clubs by having to share a ground for years? Another question is, does anyone think that our Council will deliver a World Class Shared Ground or will it most likely be a 60,000 all seater stadium that has no wow factor? ???
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      Reply #1: Sep 02, 2009 04:35:06 pm
      Just saw this on the Internet was published in the Guardian on 7th June 2009:

      Liverpool and Everton must share a new stadium if they are to thrive in future, the leader of Liverpool City Council has said. If they do not, the city will not be included within England's 2018 World Cup bid because "Anfield and Goodison Park do not fit Fifa's ­criteria".

      Warren Bradley, also head of the city's 2018 bid committee, has brought the groundshare debate to the fore again after Liverpool's accounts showed the club lost £42.6m last year. Bradley, who says he has "seen the books of both clubs", told The Observer: "We've got to do something if we are serious about being a bidding city for the World Cup. I don't want to see everything migrate down the M62 to Manchester where there are two fabulous stadiums," he said, referring to Old Trafford and ­Eastlands.

      "There is a need for a 60,000 fit-for-purpose, 21st-century stadium in ­Liverpool. It would cost around £300m. Sure, we still have the tribalistic ­supporters in the city who would say, 'I won't sit in it after a Liverpudlian or Evertonian has.' But that's not the ­argument, is it? I don't see any reason why it can't work – it does so across the southern hemisphere, and in Germany, Italy and America."

      The prospective stadium would be situated between the two clubs on Stanley Park, where Liverpool have said they would like to build their own new ground. Both clubs are dismissive of ­Bradley's claims, but Bradley is confident he has support across Liverpool.

      "What I've said is absolutely right and is now being amplified in the city in ­business, at the clubs privately, and with the supporters. When you speak privately to different people at the clubs – at director level – they tell you what they think, but will never publicly go on record.

      "There is a groundswell of support now that it is the only way forward for both football clubs."

      Bradley's views are backed by the Northwest Regional Development Agency, a major stakeholder in the city's bid, which said: "The Agency was ­supportive of the idea of a groundshare between Liverpool and Everton due to the economic sense this made. However, we accept that any decision has always been a matter for the two clubs."

      Bradley accepts that they must be on board, but believes that there is now no other choice. "We recognise the Fifa ­criteria that both clubs must have 40,000-plus seats available to the paying public that doesn't include VIPs. I don't believe either club is in a position to satisfy that criteria, so therefore something needs to be done quickly." Goodison Park is ­definitely too small, while Anfield's capacity of 45,000-plus may also fall short of ­requirements.

      The struggle of Liverpool owners Bill Hicks and George Gillet to refinance their £350m debt facility by the end of next month would seem to threaten the club's plans to build its own stadium on Stanley Park. Liverpool declined to comment, but it is understood they maintain it is business as usual.

      Everton, meanwhile, will find out by the autumn if their proposed ­controversial move outside the city to a new stadium at Kirkby – in partnership with Tesco – will be agreed by the ­government.

      Bradley is sceptical. "The longer it goes on the less likelihood it can be delivered financially by the club. I firmly believe Everton is taking the wrong step by moving out of the city," he said. "This is raw economics. I've had a ­season ticket at Everton for 30 years, so this is not about which way the wind is ­blowing.

      "I firmly believe the economic ­viability of both clubs, not only in the present climate, but, in the future, has got to be the ability to invest on the field, not in hard infrastructure. ­Having looked at the books of both clubs, at the moment about 70% of the bottom line goes to hard infrastructure. If they shared a stadium they could cut that down to about 30 to 35 per cent and the rest could go on footballers."

      While Liverpool would not comment on the record, Everton spokesman Ian Ross was explicit in voicing the club's anger at Bradley. "Yes, the Everton directors have one view and that view is that we should push ahead with the destination project. For Warren Bradley to suggest that the directors have one view and that is [to have] a shared stadium is the usual utter nonsense.

      "We have spent nearly three years working on destination Kirkby and are giving absolutely no consideration to any other scheme. Perhaps ­councillor Bradley should have fought somewhat harder to keep Everton inside the ­Liverpool city boundary if he is that intent on a joint stadium.

      "We would have welcomed more help from our city council – that never ­happened, which is why we pursued Kirkby. For councillor ­Bradley to now claim there is a weight of ­opinion to ­suggest we should now have a joint ­stadium would appear to be ­opportunism of the first order."

      Bradley said he will chair a meeting over the coming fortnight of the stakeholders involved in the city's bid to be part of England 2018. It will include the directors of Liverpool and Everton and the idea of a joint stadium is bound to be discussed ahead of the first visit to the city by the 2018 committee next month.
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      Re: Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?
      Reply #2: Sep 02, 2009 06:15:25 pm
      Too too old that article mate. And to be honest, who really gives a F**k? I'd rather cut my own bellend off with a rusty hacksaw than share with them cu*ts.
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      Re: Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?
      Reply #3: Sep 02, 2009 07:12:44 pm
      Has anyone ever noticed when this subject raises its ugly head its always a bitter who brings it up , personally I wouldn't give a sh#t if I never saw a world cup game I wouldn't share with them horrible pr#cks .
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      Re: Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?
      Reply #4: Sep 02, 2009 07:15:11 pm
      F**k to World cup and F**k the blueshite
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      Re: Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?
      Reply #5: Sep 02, 2009 07:46:08 pm
      Rather the World Cup not have any games on Merseyside then if it means having to share with that blueshite.


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      Re: Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?
      Reply #6: Sep 02, 2009 08:00:50 pm
      Last 4 posts say it all
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      Re: Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?
      Reply #7: Sep 02, 2009 08:31:45 pm
      There are many football clubs who share the ground with other clubs. E.g. AC Milan and Inter (San Siro), Bayern Munich and 1860 Munich (Allianz Arena), AS Roma and Lazio (Rome's Olympic Stadium). There might be some other football clubs.

      Anyway, my honest opinion, I don't like it if two clubs share one ground. But, it is very good for Merseyside if they can get World Cup matches, from the economy point of view.
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      Re: Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?
      Reply #8: Sep 02, 2009 09:35:45 pm
      Who gives a F**k about the World Cup when it comes to our team? Club allegiance means way more to me than my country ever winning the world cup, and then all this just to host a few games in Liverpool? F**k that, I would rather never see a world cup match then have our stadium shared. That would mean losing that world famous aura that Liverpool's home has. Everyone knows about playing at Liverpool, but that would be void if we were sharing with them. Again, F**k that ::)

      Besides, that means we would have to be in a stadium custom built for people with webbed feet and two heads. Uncomfortable to say the least.
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      Re: Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?
      Reply #9: Sep 02, 2009 09:38:27 pm
      The world cup can kiss my purple. How do you share bitterness?
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      Reply #10: Sep 03, 2009 08:55:49 am
      There are many football clubs who share the ground with other clubs. E.g. AC Milan and Inter (San Siro), Bayern Munich and 1860 Munich (Allianz Arena), AS Roma and Lazio (Rome's Olympic Stadium). There might be some other football clubs.

      Anyway, my honest opinion, I don't like it if two clubs share one ground. But, it is very good for Merseyside if they can get World Cup matches, from the economy point of view.

      Yeah, but these country's have the nouse to build world class stadiums that are reveared the world over. Our council on the other hand will build a 60,000 bowl with no atmosphere or imagination.
      We could take the roof off the main stand and build another 1-2 tiers and make our own 60,000  and not have to share the ground with them bitter bas**rds.
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      Re: Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?
      Reply #11: Sep 03, 2009 09:06:19 am
      The only benefit I can see from it is if they built a massive stadium, which they wont. Imagine not having a Kop to call your own though.

      Besides, Anfield is still easily one of the better stadiums and still top 10 in terms of size. It's very likely to be included in the stadiums for World Cup 2018/2022 tbh. Also I'd be very surpised if we hadnt built "New Anfield" within the next 9 years (actually I wouldnt)
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      Reply #12: Sep 03, 2009 09:29:40 am
      The only benefit I can see from it is if they built a massive stadium, which they wont. Imagine not having a Kop to call your own though.

      Besides, Anfield is still easily one of the better stadiums and still top 10 in terms of size. It's very likely to be included in the stadiums for World Cup 2018/2022 tbh. Also I'd be very surpised if we hadnt built "New Anfield" within the next 9 years (actually I wouldnt)
      According to the radio last night we are competing against Manchester. If we have built the new Anfield by 2018 then it will be as big as Old Trafford and more importantly newer.
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      Re: Groundshare with the Blues only chance of World Cup for Merseyside?
      Reply #13: Sep 03, 2009 11:50:46 am
      Competing against Old Trafford eh. Seems a bit odd, when you consider that both stadiums were used in the smaller Euro 96.

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