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      Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance

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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #276: Nov 05, 2009 01:03:54 pm
      I thought Lucas was very good and is constantly improving...

      We are not out at all yet and I still believe we can do it....
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      Reply #277: Nov 05, 2009 01:06:17 pm
      I tell you what. If Lyon get a result in Italy, Anfield will be red hot when Fiorentina come to town. They won't be able to handle it. There is no way we're out of this yet. I woke up this morning optimistic. By then we should have most, if not all of our key players back. All we can do now to push the mood upwards is trounce Birmingham and City.
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #278: Nov 05, 2009 01:30:36 pm
      Martin Samuel: When Andriy Voronin's your only hope, Liverpool must know the game's up
      By Martin Samuel 5th November 2009



      European royalty, said the red and white banner, but this time it really does look as if the king is dead. Liverpool’s destiny in the Champions League is out of their hands and, if Fiorentina win their next match at home, this season’s campaign will be concluded before the final group game at Anfield.

      A stadium that is traditionally so full of noise and vitality on European nights will then bear subdued witness to a meaningless encounter that has purpose only as a metaphor for Liverpool’s increasing loss of direction under Rafael Benitez, the manager.

      Lyon’s equalising goal came late enough for stalwarts to claim some degree of misadventure but the fact is Liverpool were not good enough at the Stade de Gerland, and have not been at the majority of venues in Europe this season, including Anfield.

      The single goal victory over Debrecen has been placed in perspective by the 13 goals the Hungarian champions have conceded in three games subsequently.

      Lyon have been allowed to score late goals twice, to win at Anfield and then draw here, while the 2-0 defeat in Florence has placed Fiorentina in the box seat to claim the second qualification place in Group E.

      Lyon went through last night, another reason why Fiorentina will hope to wrap it up when the teams next meet.

      There can be no complaints if that happens. Liverpool had their chances, even here, when a goal from Ryan Babel gave them a lifeline, but they could not hold the lead through injury time.

      The defending for Lyon’s goal from Lisandro was poor, reflecting the makeshift nature of Liverpool’s back four, but there mitigation ends.

      Benitez has had five years of ceaseless transfer dealing to assemble a squad capable of rolling with the punches at home and in Europe, and is too often exposed.

      Yes, Lyon appeared fragile and had Steven Gerrard been available and Fernando Torres fully fit the scoreline may have been different, but Benitez should have more to call upon than two stellar talents, one inherited, by now.

      Maybe he does, but in preferring Andriy Voronin down the centre he ignored the opportunity to partner Dirk Kuyt with Torres, the Dutchman toiling in the wide areas once more.

      Voronin, true to form, missed a glorious early chance. Benitez cannot always be depicted as a victim of circumstance; on nights like this he must take responsibility for the big decisions.

      And removing Torres with three minutes remaining was certainly another. It looked inconsequential at the time, a manager protecting an injured player with the game won, but it had the effect of releasing Cris, who had been marking Torres and immediately went to join Lyon’s attack.

      He was involved in the move that led to the goal, and certainly helped Lyon front-load the team in those final moments.

      Liverpool do not play again until Monday when Birmingham City visit Anfield, so what difference was another eight minutes going to make to Torres?

      He was removed at Fulham on Saturday with the score tied 1-1, and Liverpool lost 3-1, but if anything this was worse. At Craven Cottage, Benitez could be said to be keeping him in reserve, but what was his reasoning here?

      The travelling supporters still sung the manager’s name, but they are an admirably loyal lot. Their reaction to a result that could damage spirits in the dressing- room beyond repair was a chorus of the club anthem.

      The players, warming down, looked on blankly. It seemed like so much whistling to keep the spirits up.

      If Liverpool become only the third English team to exit the Champions League at the group stage since it became a 32-team tournament, we will know what this signifies. It happened to Manchester United four years ago, and they went on to win three championships and the Champions League, but Sir Alex Ferguson’s squad had a solid backbone and Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney coming of age.

      There is no comparison to the raw material Benitez is working with, Torres head and shoulders above his team-mates, yet reduced without Gerrard by his side.

      Gerrard has, in turn, been weakened by the sale of Xabi Alonso and his vision was missed again last night. It is missed whenever Liverpool lose, or under-perform, and as they strived to find a way past a rather ordinary Lyon side, it seemed as if Torres was searching for his passes forlornly, as one might for a lost family pet.

      So some problems will be solved when Gerrard returns from injury, but far from all.

      Lyon are hardly indestructible at home — no English team has lost here since Tottenham in 1967 — yet they did not have to be.

      Backed into corners previously Liverpool have turned in astonishing powerhouse displays such as the 16 goals scored in three matches against Besiktas, Porto and Marseille two years ago, but this was tame by comparison.

      Watching as Lyon laboured for long periods, the question remained: how did Liverpool get into such trouble in this group? If Lyon are the best of it, this says little for the rest.

      To their fans, Lyon are the Gones. It means kids. Liverpool, meanwhile, appear to be Goners.

      Soon to be gone from a tournament that was supposed to be their speciality; gone, too, the air of supremacy they had contrived to assume under Benitez. Gone for good, perhaps.


      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1225359/Martin-Samuel-When-Andriy-Voronins-hope-Liverpool-know-games-up.html

      Champions League sucker punch leaves Liverpool on their knees
      Tony Barrett, Lyon, Russell Kempson

      Rafael BenĂ­tez admitted last night that Liverpool will need a footballing miracle if they are to qualify for the knockout stages of the Champions League.

      After a 1-1 draw away to Lyons, their hopes of making it into the last 16 are out of their hands. Liverpool need to take maximum points from their two remaining group games — away to Debrecen and at home to Fiorentina — to stand any chance and will be out if Fiorentina beat Lyons on November 24, a result that would cost the Merseyside club at least £10 million.

      Liverpool took the lead through a magnificent strike from Ryan Babel seven minutes from time. However, as they had done in a 2-1 win at Anfield two weeks ago, Lyons struck a decisive late blow with a 90th-minute goal from Lisandro LĂłpez to seal their qualification.

      One bookmaker responded by lengthening the odds against Liverpool winning the competition from 20-1 to 50-1.

      BenĂ­tez, who has come under mounting pressure during a run in which they have won once in eight matches, refused to throw in the towel while it is mathematically possible to go through.

      “Clearly it is difficult, but it’s not impossible,” Benítez said. “We have to win our next game and see what happens. We have produced miracles before and maybe we can do so again.

      “The main thing now is to play against Debrecen, to win, and then we can think about the last game.”

      Claude Puel, the Lyons coach, insisted that his side would not take it easy in their remaining fixtures. “You don’t have to worry, we will play fair because we want first place in the group and we will be going there [to Florence] to try and get some points and then Liverpool would have their fate in their own hands,” Puel said.

      For Benítez, the only thoughts were of what might have been. “I am really disappointed because it was a great opportunity for us,” he said.

      “We had some chances and yet again a late goal against Lyons has made a massive difference. In football sometimes you need luck and clearly we didn’t have luck at the end of the game.

      “But you could hear our fans supporting us at the end and they know that our performance was improved. We had our chances and we were working very hard together.

      “Everyone is very disappointed but the players will know that if we work as hard as we did today then we will win many games. If you analyse the goal that we conceded, we had players in position and we were thinking about controlling the game, but we couldn’t. Clearly we made a mistake and we have to do better.”

      Jamie Carragher, the Liverpool defender, said: “I think we can pull it off. We have been in difficult positions before and came through. It’s going to be difficult but we are not out of it yet.”


      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article6903737.ece

      Lisandro LĂłpez's late equaliser for Lyon pushes Liverpool to the edge
      Kevin McCarra at the Stade Gerland 5 November 2009

      Liverpool are on the brink of elimination from the Champions League after conceding a close-range equaliser to the otherwise muted Argentinian Lisandro LĂłpez in the last minute. The visitors, third in the group, are now five points adrift of Fiorentina immediately above them. A mere two fixtures remain for Rafael BenĂ­tez's men.

      They deserved far better last night, after dominating here. An utterly deserved victory seemed inevitable when the substitute Ryan Babel turned to drive a 30-yarder high into the net after 83 minutes. Despite the outcome, there can only be admiration for the endeavour of the visitors.

      There was nothing self-pitying about the way Liverpool approached this test and the clearest chances belonged to them in the first half. The difficulties facing BenĂ­tez were made manifest by the fact that the outstanding opportunity in that spell was wasted by Andriy Voronin. Fans of the club would have been appalled yet not wholly surprised that he should fire against the goalkeeper Hugo Lloris after breaking through on to a long ball from Lucas after 28 minutes.

      That had been the simplest opening, but there were others that might have been taken. Lyon had their excuses in injuries that required two substitutions before half-time, but there was a lethargy about Claude Puel's men that had never been glimpsed during the win at Anfield.

      The coach had tinkered with his selection and Liverpool's left-back Emiliano InsĂșa ought to have been euphoric that Sidney Govou, his tormentor of two weeks ago, was on the bench. If anything lowered Liverpool's spirits, it would have been their wastefulness. When InsĂșa's cross broke to Fernando Torres in the 12th minute, the Spaniard directed a poor attempt against Lloris. Dirk Kuyt deserved credit minutes later for a good try that the goalkeeper tipped over the bar.

      Liverpool were free of self pity despite the miseries endured of late. BenĂ­tez can find no enjoyment in this troubled Champions League campaign, but his reputation is that of a strategist and the challenge here was to think his way out of a crisis. He was bold in his use of a 4-4-2 system designed to apply pressure. Still, the handicaps borne by Liverpool should not be understated.

      The news that the line-up had just a couple of alterations from the team that downed Manchester United 10 days ago would have been met with ambivalence. It meant that there was a numerical degree of continuity, but the differences were still substantial. Sotiris Kyrgiakos and Voronin came in for Glen Johnson and Fåbio Aurélio, although not as direct replacements.

      It looked more like a significant degree of disruption when it was realised this was merely Kyrgiakos's fifth start for the club. Voronin has appeared far more often, but seldom to the satisfaction of fans. The club's plight was underlined by the need to use Jamie Carragher as a right-back.

      The role is familiar to him, but those who believe his lack of pace is becoming more pronounced would not have wanted to see him there. Apart from that, he had been a major factor in the defeat of United when he challenged pugnaciously in and around the penalty area. There had, all the same, to be trust in BenĂ­tez. The manager has earned that much after ensuring that Liverpool famously survived previous scrapes in this tournament.

      Any surprise here still lay with the passivity of Lyon. It brought back memories of the fact that they had looked near to defeat at Anfield until their two goals in a late spurt. It was the measure of Liverpool's endeavour and confidence before half-time at Stade Gerland that the worth of Puel's men was being doubted once more.

      Liverpool took vast encouragement from the tentativeness of their opponents. Lyon had not resembled men inflamed by the knowledge that a win would clinch their place in the knockout phase. The visitors were galvanised by their plight.

      In the second period it came virtually as a surprise when Lyon's Michel Bastos had an opening after being picked out by the overlapping left-back Aly Cissokho, but he headed high. The onus, all the same, lay with Liverpool. With half an hour remaining the home side did start to act as if they would no longer allow their opponents to dictate the nature of the game.

      There was no high excitement from them immediately, but Lyon were more vigorous and alert. A scrappy second half was exasperating for Liverpool when a share could not be satisfactory. Despite Torres's injury problems, BenĂ­tez was reluctant to replace such a striker at first, and Voronin made way for Babel in the first substitution for Liverpool.

      The visitors were on the verge of a goal in the 69th minute. Lucas's shot was parried by Lloris and Kuyt's overhead kick was then cleared. BenĂ­tez's men might have claimed a moral victory, but they had required more than that.


      http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/nov/04/lyon-liverpool-champions-league
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #279: Nov 05, 2009 01:46:23 pm
      urgh i refuse to read, i know what i saw, dont need journo scum trying to portray us further in a negative light
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #280: Nov 05, 2009 01:49:02 pm
      Was last night the first match that we got any points in our new Away or Euro kit?
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #281: Nov 05, 2009 01:56:35 pm
      Its hard not to see why Rafa persists with Lucas given another 2 seasons he will be quite a player and again he was excellent last night. If Masch goes at the end of the season then Lucas must be a shoe in for that postion. However isnt that our problem last night and all season we dont have enough creativity from deep and when The two holding players go forward we get exposed. We were AGAIN unlucky last night surely no-one would deny that and the effort and the football deserved better but the goal was a sucker punch and poorly defended.Thats the way it has been all season on emistake and bang we get punished it must change soon surely.Lyon are a good side and with a makeshift side we gave them a good test so that must also be postive for us. Thank God we are at home next at last it seems like we have been playing away all season.
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #282: Nov 05, 2009 01:56:59 pm
      Lucas and Masher were immense last night. We got sucker punched arfter they all put in a good shift overall. Wasn't too amused at some of the refs calls, since when did football become a non contact sport?
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #283: Nov 05, 2009 02:05:33 pm
      I reckon we could of won that match if he had started N'gog or Babel instead of that useless pony-tailed clown who can only fall over and plus I would of brought Aqualani on at half-time...yes it's a gamble but last night the game was going to make/break are season and paying 20 million pound for a player on the bench is useless...and what will happen if he turns a flop like Keane?
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      Reply #284: Nov 05, 2009 02:06:30 pm
      The statement in the first article regarding the return leg at Anfield and it being "a meaningless metaphor for Liverpools loss of direction under Benitez" is a cynical ,negative wholly inaccurate opinion. It is followed by several similar assertions and if the article was not as well punctuated as it is the writer could very well have been a Mr R. Whelan
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #285: Nov 05, 2009 02:18:04 pm
      You get peanuts if you win the Europa league, the reason you get so much in the Champions League is TV revenue and Sponsorship, there is f'ck all of this in the Europa league. What worried me must last night is how little width we have.
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #286: Nov 05, 2009 02:33:36 pm
      One word as to how i feel...GUTTED!  I thought we played really well last night, With the exception of Voronin, He constantly gave the ball away, Had virtually no control when he did get it, His passing was at best average, He could'nt cross the road never mind a ball and his goal attempt was woeful, One on one and he fu**ed it, Question, What exactly does Rafa see in this bloke? Surely having Babel on from the start would have been a better option, But that's only my opinion, As for their goal, Well, How unlucky do you need to be? Agger out of position, Sotiros struggled and could'nt jump over a grape, A lucky bounce, The ball falls right into there path and bang it's past Pepe,Just f***in typical of how our luck is going right now, But upwards and onwards i say, IMO, We're not going to make it, but Hey, Like Carra say's it's not the end of the world,It won't spell the end of Rafa, It's a big kick in the bollocks but our European record speaks for itself,We have still plenty to go for this season, Its still relatively early and i think the tide is turning, The lads showed last night what fighting spirit is there in our so called lack lustre squad, Our team of underperforming not good enough Rafa signings outplayed and controlled the French champions, Lucas, Masch, Superb, Despite 1 wanting to play at the Camp Nou, The other not good enough to lick Alonso's boots, Kuyt Benayoun, Excellent link up play, Unfit Torres still gave there defence problems for 87mins, Babel with his wonder strike and with a bit more composure could have got more, Insua good going forward defended well, Sotiros and Agger played well together 1st time of asking, Until the F**k up at the end, And Carra yet another solid performance from our stand in skipper, All in all, It should have been 3pts, No other team this side of the channel tunnel has had the luck we've had to put up with to date, No other team has the fans we have, No other team this side of the tunnel has FIVE in there trophy cabinet, And no other side has the fighting spirit of Liverpool FC.

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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #287: Nov 05, 2009 02:50:59 pm
      One word as to how i feel...GUTTED!  I thought we played really well last night, With the exception of Voronin, He constantly gave the ball away, Had virtually no control when he did get it, His passing was at best average, He could'nt cross the road never mind a ball and his goal attempt was woeful, One on one and he fu**ed it   

      Not just singling you out billy but everyone seems to be slaughtering Voronin for missing a chance. If it was N'Gog who missed the chance we'd all be saying "oh unlucky lad" or "he did well to get into the position".

      Lucas, Masch, Superb, Despite 1 wanting to play at the Camp Nou, The other not good enough to lick Alonso's boots

      This billy is a stupid thing to say and not fair on the lad at all.
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      Reply #288: Nov 05, 2009 03:03:49 pm
      Not just singling you out billy but everyone seems to be slaughtering Voronin for missing a chance. If it was N'Gog who missed the chance we'd all be saying "oh unlucky lad" or "he did well to get into the position".


      Can't see how you can defend the lad - the glaring miss could be overlooked if he had kicked on and put in a passable display but as it was everything he touched turned to sh*t I wish he played for manUre , he only gets a game here cos the manager has got no choice.
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #289: Nov 05, 2009 03:25:28 pm
      After wasting his only chance to prove something...
      Misfiring Liverpool striker Andrei Voronin omitted by Ukraine for World Cup play-offs
      Liverpool's Ukrainian international striker Andrei Voronin will miss his country's crucial World Cup play-off qualifiers next week after coach Olexiy Mikhailichenko omitted him for his 24-man squad.

      Voronin, who played in Liverpool's 1-1 Champions League draw with Lyon on Wednesday night, faces a battle to make Ukraine's squad for the World Cup in South Africa next summer after missing out on a chance to impress in the two-legged play-offs against Greece on Nov 14 and 18.

      The 30 year-old, who was substituted after 68 minutes at the Stade Gerland, was a a shock omission after Mikhailichenko decided to go with Dynamo Kiev strikers Andrei Shevchenko and Artem Milevskiy as well as the Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk pair Volodymyr Homenyuk and Evgen Seleznev.
       
      Mikhailichenko explained Voronin's absence saying that the Liverpool player was not at full fitness, despite Rafa BenĂ­tez's decision to select him against Lyon, and the striker himself declined to comment either way.

      Voronin last played for his country in the 0-0 draw with Belarus in September, as a late substitute, but was then left out of the squad for their final country against Andorra last month.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/6507078/Misfiring-Liverpool-striker-Andrei-Voronin-omitted-by-Ukraine-for-World-Cup-play-offs.html
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #290: Nov 05, 2009 03:26:41 pm
      Do you believe this or not...
      LYON BOSS MAKES LIVERPOOL PROMISE
      Lyon coach Claude Puel has assured Liverpool they will be doing their all to beat Fiorentina, despite already securing their place in the last 16 of the Champions League.

      The Reds' bid to progress is out of their hands after Lisandro Lopez's late goal denied the English side all three points in France on Wednesday night.

      Rafael Benitez's men need results to go their way if they are to have any chance of progressing as a win for Fiorentina against Lyon next time out would dump the Merseysiders out of the competition.

      However, Puel has vowed Lyon will do their best to help Liverpool's cause by trying to beat Fiorentina in Florence later this month.

      "We will play fair, we want to win the group and avoid getting a tougher draw in the next stage," said Puel.

      "Liverpool have no need to fear what may happen.

      "We will play to win the game and that will leave the situation in Liverpool's hands to win their last two games and go through themselves."
      http://www.football365.co.za/story/0,22162,8698_5675200,00.html
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #291: Nov 05, 2009 03:26:48 pm
      Can't see how you can defend the lad - the glaring miss could be overlooked if he had kicked on and put in a passable display but as it was everything he touched turned to sh*t I wish he played for manUre , he only gets a game here cos the manager has got no choice.

      Completely agree with you. If Rafa had his way he would have been sold to Hertha for 3 or 4 million.

      I defend him because I genuinely don't think he's anywhere near as bad a player as some try to make out. But look he has his own thread so we shouldn't be discussing him here.

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      Reply #292: Nov 05, 2009 03:48:44 pm
      Now to my simple analysis:

      For me there's nothing to be ashamed of our performance. We played well and managed to hold Lyon at bay for up to 89 minutes. A simple mistake by Sotis and Agger (a misunderstanding I might say) cost us a victory. The decision to include Torres in the starting lineup suggested that Rafa will do anything to win this game even if risking Torres injury (well I don't blame him). We started very promisingly with a good combination of passes and putting pressure thus resulted Lyon could only resorted to long shots. We got some clear cut chances with Torres first testing Lloris and Kuyt with another chance. But the most unfortunate (blunder I guess) was when Voronin couldn't shot pass the keeper when he was clearly got an open chance to finish a good play. He broke the travelling fans' heart by not taking the most clear chance and putting us 1-0 at halftime.

      Come 2nd half we continue to push further forward and left Lisandro and Gomis no other chance than attempts from outer 6 yard box. Reina for most of the time was not even fully tested or having to flex his muscle a bit. After a disappointing show, Rafa decided to sub Babel in and took out Voronin. Although I'm a bit sceptical about him but he managed to get us in front with a screamer but just I was about to celebrate a great win suddenly our lapse in defense cost us dearly. Lisandro managed to wriggle past and scored.

      It's easy to point fingers and blame somebody especially Sotis or Agger but I thought they did good as Reina was not even harmed during that 89 minutes. If you got to blame then it's Voronin. I watched him play and I can say his ball control was f**king tragedy. Couldn't even handled a simple pass. It was like the ball simply went off him everytime he touches.

      All hopes are not done yet as we got 2 more games to prove ourselves. Just maintain our priorities and focus in every games coming.
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #293: Nov 05, 2009 04:05:10 pm
      I am concerned about Torres.  Was it just me or did he appear to be jogging in pain around the pitch yesterday?  What is going on here?  If he truely needs surgery shouldn't he get it as soon as possible?  And Gerrard for that matter.

      I don't see why we are playing Torres injured and yet we hold Aquilani back to protect him while he is healing?  

      Why the double standard?  Either play them both, or rest them as needed to have a full strength squad.

      « Last Edit: Nov 05, 2009 04:49:32 pm by bgwdivemaster »
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #294: Nov 05, 2009 04:37:00 pm
      Unlucky?

      I thought I'd take a while to add to this thread..

      We played a good game of football last night, it was a prefect night when Babel scored until the last minute :f_steam:

      I cant blame anyone really other than our owners.. & maybe i cant even blame them they are just idiots! should i blame Moore?
      well maybe he has more to answer for than most, but still.. what has happened has happened, in my eyes Rafa for all his ability which is more than pretty much every manager in the world.. has been given scraps and told to make a feast! & too his credit in his years has given us plenty more than a lot.. later stages of the champions league year after year..even winners! if you look over Rafas tactics over the years their is victory after victory when everyone expected us to lose.. on a budget too.. Del boy wheeling and dealing in the market. His league positions have been in the top four and the points margin getting smaller and smaller. still we dont give the man a cigar.. this summer EVERYONE knew we needed a couple of additions to make the move on the Mancs and Chelski, so what happens.. well we all know! the person i felt most for when the whistle went last night was my man Rafa and some people have recently called for his head! well F**k YOU.. your blind if you think he hasn't given his all for this club and the people who know, well we know.. Legacy's aren't built over night and if you have something like Rafa you dont abuse it for your fickle pleasure! or one day that person who has feelings might just walk.

      In Rafa We Trust.

      right rant over

      positives

      Rafael Benitez
      an excellent squad of players
      mathematically we could still qualify and Lyon can upset on the night.
      reserve players doing well adding depth
      a lot of internationals figuring in the world cup, credit to Rafa.
      owners looking like they see the big picture.. even if it has took too frickin long!
      & the best fans in the world.

      Onwards and upwards red army..

      when the fat lady sings we give up! if we dont qualify for the champions league,we challenge on the other two fronts! if we do its a bonus.. but for fucks sake! appreciate what we have and how far we have come.

      we cant win it every year  ;D
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #295: Nov 05, 2009 06:24:43 pm
      Was last night the first match that we got any points in our new Away or Euro kit?

      Don't think so. We picked up three points against West Ham.
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #296: Nov 05, 2009 06:39:12 pm
      Got home from lyon this morning. We've got to believe.
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #297: Nov 05, 2009 06:49:02 pm
      Voronins problem is that is not capable of producing a good performance, he just is simply not good enough for a club like Liverpool, remember seeing him warming up before a match at Anfield in his first season here.

      I couldn't believe how bad he was in the warm up he was even tripping over the ball. His performances are no suprise because the simple fact is he does not have the ability for Premiership or top European football.

       I really hope Rafa stops playing him because he is adding fuel to the fire on the media assault on him and his use of Voronin to be honest is indefensible.
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      Re: Lyon 1 - 1 Liverpool: Post Match Annoyance
      Reply #298: Nov 05, 2009 06:55:50 pm
      The players came off last night after giving their all, as fans we cant ask more than that ,some of the players might not be of the class that is needed, never the less they gave their all for the club and the fans ,if they keep that up the results will come.

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