What to do about H&G: From An American Viewpoint

I agree that ousting these clowns should involve as many reds as possible however our struggle against these two hasn't made a significant impact on british media and were a country that loves football so i find it hard to imagine 50,000 people from another country making a protest when they don't think of football in the same way as we do.

I think the way to get these clowns out is via a paper based in the UK we should try to build a rapport with one newspaper for example getting SOS a story in there would be a brilliant first step. The incentive for the newspaper would be that there are millions of Liverpool fans in the country that would choose their paper infront of others and over the years they would be recognised as much as carlsberg is with us now.

Just my two pennies

I mentioned it a while back that I thought that our only hope was through the US supporters groups. The groups who sorted out Cohen.

Attempting to stop Hicks and Gillett getting in to Anfield may be the level the SOS is at, but in the grand scheme of things it is utterly pointless.  Chanting inside grounds only creates divisions amongst fans who want to protest strongly against the owners and those who want to support the team for those 90 minutes.

Spirit of Shankly is the only supporters group with any financial clout. They have a subscription based model and have a relatively large userbase. Should they be using their finances in better ways? I think so.

I sent an email to SoS last night, essentially to all departments of the supporters union. I don't know if they'll get back to me soon, or at all, but I know they're going to be busy especially now that Hjr has resigned. I mean, SoS was front page news on the ESPNsoccernet, which is one of the USA's main soccer news pages.

I'm going to try and rally the troops that I know. Guys that I watch matches with down at the pub are members of other forums such as redandwhitekop who have a lot of members that are directly affiliated with SoS or other important fan groups.

I think you're right though, SoS are the only ones with the financial clout to do anything about the owners. That's why I've contacted them. I'm positive that this story would get picked up by the american sports media, if only there was real commitment from the fans of the club

The more people that support the idea, the harder I'll work to make it happen.

The more people that support the idea, the harder I'll work to make it happen.

Im on board. How much i can do over here in Oregon i don't know, but im damn sure ill do anything i can. This club means that much to me ill do whatever i can. If i had the money id be in Texas right now blasting the cu*ts with protest on their front lawn.

The American sports media is the key though, they need to know whats going on. And with the connections of Hicks to a high profile Hockey team, and the Rangers in Baseball as well, this could be key. Because if those fans realized what is happening to us, maybe they would question their association with their own clubs and create animosity from home grown fans too, which would add another dimension to the cause.

One email per person(not spamming) telling them(ESPN) about our predicament.

If they get enough emails, that might attract their attention. Once we get their attention, then things will be much easier to follow through. Me might arrange an interview trip for an SOS member to share with them our stories.

With the availability of handguns being what it is in the US the solution is pretty clear.

Could we raise awareness in the States by effectively questioning American Business practices? Ask the question of the american people...are Hicks and Gillett the best you have to promote the way the USA does business?  Name and shame...

One email per person(not spamming) telling them(ESPN) about our predicament.

If they get enough emails, that might attract their attention. Once we get their attention, then things will be much easier to follow through. Me might arrange an interview trip for an SOS member to share with them our stories.

Doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Brilliant post that mate. We really need to do something different, because protests over here aren't working, the Yanks won't care about them, or might not even know when they happen, because there on the other side of the world. There does need to be something different done to get to them, because at the moment what is being done isn't working.

Why don't we hire a terrorist? I bet he's the best solution we got 

Billionairs don't give a sh*t about media because the sound of their money is much louder.

I believe 100% in what you said. Add to that, "Outside America is outside America", Americans don't even care about football. What is the percentage of Americans who would like to watch a program or an interview concerning Liverpool FC? They will switch the channel immediately and that's why, IMO, no American big t.v channel will think of it.

The success of the club is the key to draw the investors' attention. We are alone this year and we should face it, win the Europa League and achieve a good position then things will change..

Could we raise awareness in the States by effectively questioning American Business practices? Ask the question of the American people...are Hicks and Gillett the best you have to promote the way the USA does business?  Name and shame...

As I posted earlier mate it is with some irony that the procedure they implemented to acquire the club is in fact banned in the US whilst in the UK they screwed us legitimately with the same transaction.

As I posted earlier mate it is with some irony that the procedure they implemented to acquire the club is in fact banned in the US whilst in the UK they screwed us legitimately with the same transaction.

I don't want H&G representing my country, and I think that the american people wouldn't want that either. I think it's incredible that H&G and the Glazers will have more of an impact on football than an American player ever will. That's sad.

Why don't we hire a terrorist? I bet he's the best solution we got 

Billionairs don't give a sh*t about media because the sound of their money is much louder.

I believe 100% in what you said. Add to that, "Outside America is outside America", Americans don't even care about football. What is the percentage of Americans who would like to watch a program or an interview concerning Liverpool FC? They will switch the channel immediately and that's why, IMO, no American big t.v channel will think of it.

The success of the club is the key to draw the investors' attention. We are alone this year and we should face it, win the Europa League and achieve a good position then things will change..

First of all, don't even joke about terrorism because we don't even need that anywhere near our club

If no americans cared about football, then I wouldn't be here would I. And it's cowardly to give up without making an effort

Lastly, when you're a Liverpool supporter 'You'll Never Walk Alone'

Lastly, when you're a Liverpool supporter 'You'll Never Walk Alone'

Well said Imani.  Also as someone living in America you have a better idea as to what your audience will listen to and how to approach getting your points across.

I can't believe the apathy shown on here by some of our UK members, after all look at the success we had in America with that leach Steve Cohen.

Come on Redmen get behind the girl she's trying to do something to save our Club.

"Outside America is outside America", Americans don't even care about football. What is the percentage of Americans who would like to watch a program or an interview concerning Liverpool FC? They will switch the channel immediately and that's why, IMO, no American big t.v channel will think of it.

The american tv channels won't pick up the piece if we sell it as Liverpool/soccer issues, but they will pick it up and take notice if we sell the news as 2 american Con-artist making profit in UK and Brazil(as Hicks did to Corinthians) using a business method which is illegal in the US.

Their track records(more like financial records) will be our greatest weapon. Let ESPN put their scheme under scrutiny and let us provide the evidence for the tv channel to expose their their operations.

Come on lads, lets make them feel what we've felt for the past 3 years... embarrass them to maximum degree in their own soil.

I don't want H&G representing my country, and I think that the american people wouldn't want that either. I think it's incredible that H&G and the Glazers will have more of an impact on football than an American player ever will. That's sad.

The only thing that H&G represent is an image of selfish, dishonest greed it is unfortunate that they are associated with the USA.
Do not think for a moment that because they are described as American bas**rds for instance that this is any reference to the USA. Pricks like that are everywhere and we are indeed grateful for the fine efforts our American friends. 

In my ponion the only way to hurt H$G enough to make them call Quits for good and leave our beloved club is to hurt Liverpool in the process in the short term... But I think it is worth it.

Just as in Madrid, the fans show their disatisfaction by deserting the stadiums and their TV screens... Those 2 rascards are pure business people. The only thing that makes them act is $$$ or the lack of. They will be forced to sell if stadiums start emptying. It will hurt our club in the short term but short of that nothing will make those 2 leave.

I am personally not against business people buying a club as long as they have a geniune passion for the sport of football and a love for the club they are buying, LFC. I am however against owners who use debt to finance the purchase of a club that they know nothing about. Owners that do not know anything about the sport of football. Owners that have a short term view for our club...

As a matter of fact, we should not even refer to them as owners as the banks really own the club of Liverpool...

The Yanks have to go!

In my ponion the only way to hurt H$G enough to make them call Quits for good and leave our beloved club is to hurt Liverpool in the process in the short term... But I think it is worth it.

Just as in Madrid, the fans show their disatisfaction by deserting the stadiums and their TV screens... Those 2 rascards are pure business people. The only thing that makes them act is $$$ or the lack of. They will be forced to sell if stadiums start emptying. It will hurt our club in the short term but short of that nothing will make those 2 leave.

I am personally not against business people buying a club as long as they have a geniune passion for the sport of football and a love for the club they are buying, LFC. I am however against owners who use debt to finance the purchase of a club that they know nothing about. Owners that do not know anything about the sport of football. Owners that have a short term view for our club...

As a matter of fact, we should not even refer to them as owners as the banks really own the club of Liverpool...

The Yanks have to go!

Won't happen, we won't be deserting the team any time soon!

It's a big idea, I know, and yes, I was near sleep when I thought of it, I might have been dreaming. But it's something, and is it so terrible to dream?

Any idea that could lead to rid our club of the parasites that currently suck the life out of it, is well worth a mention. And I personally want to say thank you for taking the time to explain clearly what you mean and try to give a clear impression of the viewpoint from America.

I honestly believe the tried methods of protests outside the ground are stale and only cause attention for little more than a day at best. There has to be other avenues to go down now. And more people need to be on board. I think you'll find it's human nature for people wanting to support a good cause against a regime that stinks of dishonesty and greed, at the expense of a massive, loyal, honest, fan base. Especially if it's in your backyard.

It's not a bad idea and if there's an excuse to have a few drinks and a sing song, there'll be a good few scousers up for it. It will take a lot of organising though. The union should be onto this. I'll be surprised if they're not.

Any idea that could lead to rid our club of the parasites that currently suck the life out of it, is well worth a mention. And I personally want to say thank you for taking the time to explain clearly what you mean and try to give a clear impression of the viewpoint from America.

I honestly believe the tried methods of protests outside the ground are stale and only cause attention for little more than a day at best. There has to be other avenues to go down now. And more people need to be on board. I think you'll find it's human nature for people wanting to support a good cause against a regime that stinks of dishonesty and greed, at the expense of a massive, loyal, honest, fan base. Especially if it's in your backyard.

It's not a bad idea and if there's an excuse to have a few drinks and a sing song, there'll be a good few scousers up for it. It will take a lot of organising though. The union should be onto this. I'll be surprised if they're not.

A bit of drink, and a sing about is exactly what I'm talking about. Americans don't sing when it comes to sports, so hearing real fans belt out their most impassioned songs would be refreshing. I do a lot of explaining around here about why I'm a football fan, and why more americans should become football fans, one of the points I always bring up is how the songs are sung in the stadiums and in the streets, and how these songs bring every fan together from all walks of life.

I'm a member of LFCNY, which is the official New York supporters club. I'm also a member of LFCNY - New Haven, which is based in New Haven, Connecticut. There are the insatiables like me, almost never miss a match, and are really well informed, I'm sure they would love to get in on this. I'll be seeing all of them tomorrow for reading.

SoS has sent me an email in response to the email that I sent them. The email i sent was essentially a direct copy & paste from the topic post on this forum, with a little blurb explaining who I was, etc. The email was short, simple. It read: "Many thanks for your ideas. I will share these with the rest of the committee for consideration. Regards, SoS."

So at least it's a start, I mean, at least someone from SoS has seen my idea, and contacted me about it. So I feel as if that's a good sign.

The american tv channels won't pick up the piece if we sell it as Liverpool/soccer issues, but they will pick it up and take notice if we sell the news as 2 american Con-artist making profit in UK and Brazil(as Hicks did to Corinthians) using a business method which is illegal in the US.

Their track records(more like financial records) will be our greatest weapon. Let ESPN put their scheme under scrutiny and let us provide the evidence for the tv channel to expose their their operations.

Come on lads, lets make them feel what we've felt for the past 3 years... embarrass them to maximum degree in their own soil.

Well that makes sense to me, hope this works out, thanks for clarifying mate.

I think LFC have a large US base.  Dont forget that it was a US LFC Supporters group that got Steven Cohen and World Soccer Daily cancelled from all the Satellite radio companies and his company went bankrupt because of it. They made comments about Hillsborough and the US Supporters got all his sponsors to drop him and cancel the show.

So, I think the LFC community here in the States is fairly active and widespread. I go to a bar that has a HUGE LFC base.  I think the EPL is more popular than MLS. Due to the time difference and distance between us, it is not regularly shown on US TV. But Champions League is shown Live here on ESPN and so are a lot of EPL matches.

We have a few "Investigative" Sports shows on ESPN which should really report on the US Influence on the English Game.  I think its two fold, good and bad.  We have begun to export some talented players, but we have also exported the "Business Model" which destroyed our sports.

I feel that there's a great sense of unity among Liverpool supporters, why can't that spread across the pond? At the end of the day, anyone who showed up to this thing would know that they had two things in common with every other person there: we all hate H&G, and we all hate manchester united. I think that's enough to all get along, I think it would be fun if we made it this huge event. All it would have to be is a large number of people gathered under one crest, having a good time, and spreading the message that we wont tolerate this being done to our beloved club, and that we'll go anywhere and do anything to stop it.

Its all about getting the story out there in the right context. Yeah, if we say "English Football club in financial strife" then a lot will not care, nor even know who Liverpool FC is. But, if we put it out there in the context of "Corrupt American businessmen ruining one of the worlds greatest sporting instituitions" or something of the like, then you might get some of the general sports enthusiasts reading. It's all about getting the genuine sports lover interested, because as sports fans it doesnt really matter what sport it is, if you see a story about some great club in trouble like we are, you would listen, or read. For example, you may not give two shits about the New York Yankees, but if you read a story headline in the UK, or Australia, with the theme about it being "One of the great American sporting teams in risk of financial ruin" then the general johnny sports fan will probably give it a quick read at least while hes having his/her coffee and toast.

Thats what i am going to try and get going. Im going to my college newspaper meeting next week, and gonna try and see of theyll let me start writing a few sports stories, and ill be putting a bit of the EPL, and more importantly Liverpool in there. But, one of my first will be a feature on this issue. How many will care here, i do not know. But its about getting it out wherever it can, because every place it gets out will get a few readers every time, a few interested. Those numbers will multiply as interest in the issue gets noticed, and im sure more larger sports media places will have an interest as although football may not be big here, theres enough people with interest in the sport for them not to ignore it.

Im prepared to do whatever i can with any of you here, and any Liverpool fans anywhere, but most importantly here. Lets get on this, its gotta be done.

 

It's the perfect time to bring them down. People are up in arms about banks/debt/Americans so if we can get the support of some Americans, it will spread.

Well in, bigv.