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      Club debts could lead to European ban
      Jan 17, 2010 10:35:48 am
      Club debts could lead to European ban

      Leading English sides could be excluded from the Champions League if a Uefa proposal to limit overspending is successful

      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/european_football/article6991138.ece

      LIVERPOOL and Manchester United would be banned from the Champions League if Michel Platini’s “Financial Fair Play” criteria for European club competitions were introduced, according to senior sources within Uefa. Manchester City and Chelsea would also be at risk, despite their owners having paid off their debts recently.

      Rules governing the amount of debt clubs can accrue are being discussed within Uefa committees and though they are far from fixed, and at least three years away from being implemented, it is clear that many of Europe’s biggest clubs would fall foul of the criteria being proposed by Platini, the Uefa president. His guiding principle is that over a period of time clubs cannot spend more than they earn.

      “Manchester United and Liverpool would be barred from the Champions League and the Europa Cup because they have debts piled directly on the club as a result of their owners’ takeovers,” a Uefa executive told The Sunday Times.

      “Chelsea and Manchester City would fail to meet the requirements because we want to prevent a situation where you can overspend a great deal, then inject cash to balance the budget at the end of the season. Arsenal would qualify. They make more than they spend, including debt repayments. So do Tottenham.”

      However, it is not just English clubs that would be affected. Some of Europe’s most celebrated clubs have built up huge debts and they too face exclusion from the Champions League. “As things stand, Real Madrid would fail and Inter Milan. But for now it’s all theory, based around a principle that needs to be made into something workable,” the source said.

      Debt in English football has been highlighted again because United’s new financial figures, released last week, showed they made an annual profit of £48.2m only thanks to the £80m summer sale of Cristiano Ronaldo, inset. United paid £41.9m in interest in the year on debts that are now above £700m. Chelsea’s most recent figures showed a £44.4m loss, while City’s showed they lost £92m. Both those clubs’ owners have wiped out debts in excess of £300m to clean up their balance sheets. Liverpool’s debts are £240m-plus. Arsenal have £297m of debt, but this was acquired mainly for building Emirates stadium, now a cash cow that helps fuel profits. Arsenal’s repayments are easily serviced.

      England’s Big Four plus City can take solace in that Uefa’s plans are far from complete. Even Uefa officials are uncertain whether rules will be applied retrospectively. “That might not be possible,” the source said. All clubs will have to meet requirements to balance income and spending, but grey areas and loopholes will remain.

      Uefa’s only public statement on the subject so far is nebulous, saying there is an “obligation for clubs whose turnover is over a certain threshold, over a period of time, to balance their books or break even”.

      The rules will be framed by an independent 11-man Club Financial Control Panel, chaired by the former prime minister of Belgium, Jean-Luc Dehaene. The aim is to introduce the rules in the 2013-14 season. Most of the CFCP, and Platini, accept that debt is not to be outlawed per se, but want it to be manageable if it is on a club’s books.

      Uefa insiders are aware that if it banned most of the biggest clubs from its competition there would be a danger of a breakaway league. They also accept that its rules are susceptible to legal challenges. For now, there are three more years of work before proposals turn to rules.

      THE BIG DEBTORS

      £727m Manchester United
      £609m Real Madrid* (Real claim only £296m)
      £436m Barcelona*
      £386m Internazionale*
      £348m AC Milan*
      £297.7m Arsenal
      £240m approx Liverpool
      £147m Juventus*
      £136m Roma*
      £96m Bayern Munich*
      £0 Chelsea, after £340m write-off, announced Dec 2009
      £0 Man City, after £305m debt-to-equity write-off, announced Jan 2010

      * * * * * English data from Premier League club records or accounts * * * * *
      Figures marked * from Prof Jose Maria Gay de Liebana, football finance specialist at the University of Barcelona
      Brian78
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      Re: Club debts could lead to European ban
      Reply #1: Jan 17, 2010 10:40:28 am
      Take city out of that list and you have the main contenders every year for the champions league. Ban them and there is no champions league!! European super league on the way?
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      Reply #2: Jan 17, 2010 10:44:03 am
      Take city out of that list and you have the main contenders every year for the champions league. Ban them and there is no champions league!! European super league on the way?

      That could end u being the possibility of such a ban and I wouldn't be too sure if Platini and his hacks could do any thing to stop such a league being formed.
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      Reply #3: Jan 17, 2010 12:39:37 pm
      That's a coincidence no French clubs in that list.

      Just another of Platinis attempts to ensure French teams get an unfair crack at winning trophies?

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      Reply #4: Jan 17, 2010 04:53:27 pm
      That's a coincidence no French clubs in that list.

      Just another of Platinis attempts to ensure French teams get an unfair crack at winning trophies?


      Maybe, and maybe it's better for football. After all you don't want to see Liverpool in debt for the rest of your life! Big clubs are big because of fans not money.
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      Re: Club debts could lead to European ban
      Reply #5: Jan 17, 2010 06:11:12 pm
      To be honest, I doubt that will ever go through. Imagine a continental competition of the highest level without the mentioned teams.  :mad:
      There's no way these clubs are gonna be banned. The tournaments will lose their shine without the top teams.
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      Re: Club debts could lead to European ban
      Reply #6: Jan 18, 2010 10:14:23 am
      I'd probably laugh if we finished 4th and then got booted out of the competition because of the Yanks ridiculous debt burden.
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      Reply #7: Jan 18, 2010 10:16:18 am
      I'd probably laugh if we finished 4th and then got booted out of the competition because of the Yanks ridiculous debt burden.

      That would be the most delicious slice of irony ever served up to Tom & George wouldn't it ?
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      Re: Club debts could lead to European ban
      Reply #8: Jan 18, 2010 07:57:24 pm
      Maybe, and maybe it's better for football. After all you don't want to see Liverpool in debt for the rest of your life! Big clubs are big because of fans not money.

      I never wanted to see Liverpool in debt but if Platini gets his way with this we won't be competing in the CL or any other UEFA competition even if we win the Premiership never mind finish in 4th place.
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      Reply #9: Jan 23, 2010 03:08:44 pm
      To be honest, I have absolutely nothing against the big four clubs (Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd) but sometimes I hope that all of them go bankruptcy. Not only in England in the whole world. So football can start again from zero. I would push a reset button if it exists.  :(
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      Reply #10: Jan 23, 2010 03:21:50 pm
      I never wanted to see Liverpool in debt but if Platini gets his way with this we won't be competing in the CL or any other UEFA competition even if we win the Premiership never mind finish in 4th place.

      The only good thing that could come of this if it was ever implemented is, it would force Tom & George into (1) clearing the debt or (2) selling up, I'd be happy with either to be frankly honest
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      Re: Club debts could lead to European ban
      Reply #11: Jan 24, 2010 03:53:09 am
      The only good thing that could come of this if it was ever implemented is, it would force Tom & George into (1) clearing the debt or (2) selling up, I'd be happy with either to be frankly honest

      Ditto. Plus, Id love to see teams like Madrid try and clear their rediculous amounts of debt.
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      Re: Club debts could lead to European ban
      Reply #12: Jan 24, 2010 08:56:28 pm
      To many teams in debt for this to happen. However if this was introduced i could see a breakaway league forming, with the T.V. money that must be involved i think it's a matter of time before a European league is formed.
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      Re: Club debts could lead to European ban
      Reply #13: Jan 24, 2010 09:55:43 pm
      http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_5877650,00.html


      The only good thing that could come of this if it was ever implemented is, it would force Tom & George into (1) clearing the debt or (2) selling up, I'd be happy with either to be frankly honest

      I'd probably laugh if we finished 4th and then got booted out of the competition because of the Yanks ridiculous debt burden.

      That would be the most delicious slice of irony ever served up to Tom & George wouldn't it ?





      Would be as funny as F**k.

       

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