Has violence and lack of morals gone too far in games

i rest my case, the evidence is as below.

Modern Warfare 2 - Disturbing Airport Gameplay - Your Thoughts?

Walk around an airport and kill loads of innocent people?

Yeah, that sounds like a real hoot.

First of all this isn't a game for children. Second of all, you're undercover in a group of terrorists, but you don't have to actually shoot anyone. In my opinion this isn't wrong because they're not saying it's good to kill all these innocent people or anything, it's more like they want you to feel uncomfortable with the situation. Is it a twisted scene? Yes it is, but I feel an adult should be able to handle that, and you're not forced to play the game. If you actually feel comfortable with shooting people in that scene then you're already fu**ed up, all the game does is point that out. Is there anyone here that didn't feel uneasy in that scene and who did shoot? I doubt it, I know I didn't.

Is there anyone here that didn't feel uneasy in that scene and who did shoot? I doubt it, I know I didn't.

I shot them all and grenade launched a few, end of the day they only pixels on a TV on a computer game and I've not once since though of going and buying myself an ak47 with grenade launcher and an RPD and heading off to Newcastle Airport.

I guess that means I'm mentally stable.

I don't think it's too violent to be honest, its just portraying what we see in movies and real life in worst case scenarios.

Thats the point though, your morals are being compromised, who ever is behind this game is making it seem acceptable to shoot innocent people.
You are being conditioned to accept wrong doing.

also its different from a movie , because you are activley involved.

Thats the point though, your morals are being compromised, who ever is behind this game is making it seem acceptable to shoot innocent people.
You are being conditioned to accept wrong.

I don't accept that its wrong to shoot innocent people nor would I ever be conditioned to believe it is to be honest, I see it for what is, a computer game.

I shot them all and grenade launched a few, end of the day they only pixels on a TV on a computer game and I've not once since though of going and buying myself an ak47 with grenade launcher and an RPD and heading off to Newcastle Airport.

I guess that means I'm mentally stable.

I don't think it's too violent to be honest, its just portraying what we see in movies and real life in worst case scenarios.

Well, I was actually thinking about that after my post. I mean, I've killed innocent people in games like GTA and what not just out of boredom or because I had to wait for something in the game to progress or what not. So I do agree with you. Didn't it at all get to you in this case though? The screaming and stuff, it's pretty twisted. I guess my real concern would be if someone would actually enjoy the idea of doing such a thing in reality when playing that scene, for obvious reasons.

I have no problem seperating movies or games from reality either, but when playing or watching the game or movie it does envoke certain emotions, at least if I'm into it. Like, a good horror movie thankfully does scare the sh*t out of me, thankfully cause I enjoy that But this airport scene did disgust me. Which doesn't say I think it should be taken out, at all. I remember seeing much more twisted things in certain movies, stuff that disgusted way more than that scene.

Thats the point though, your morals are being compromised, who ever is behind this game is making it seem acceptable to shoot innocent people.
You are being conditioned to accept wrong doing.

also its different from a movie , because you are activley involved.

I disagree, they're not saying it's ok to do such a thing, they're leaving it entirely upto the player. Though I'd say almost the opposite even, as you're undercover with terrorists, and the game is certianly not claiming that being a terrorist is a good thing.

I kill people all the time on GTA. It doesn't harm anyone, and if it affects anyone then they should stop playing.

Simple as that.

Similar thread was made not too long ago.

I don't think it has. It's a video game. Technology is taking over the world, it needs to stay up to date to grow. We as an audience are becoming more and more de-sensitised to controversial topics and this has to be catered for or sales are lost.

No-one complains about films? They are far worse at times.

The only game I've ever felt uncomfortable playing is Manhunt/Manhunt 2.

Unsettled a few geek feathers here, Robby. 

I remember playing Cowboys & Indians when I was younger.  The objective was to 'kill'  all your opponents.  Was that too violent?  It's strange how throughout the ages, some people always have to have a go at popular media.  Books were burned, we had people blaming books for killing people - John Lennon's killer Mark David Chapman for example. And the list goes on, records, TV, film & now video games all used as excuses by people who should have known better.  It's a shame people have to find things to blame for societies ills, when we should be looking at the society itself and maybe, just maybe, people should start taking responsibility for their own actions again.

If as a Human Being you cannot separate, life in a video game world to true, real life, then you are a Sociopath to begin with and a game is not going to change that.  

I agree that violence in games is unreal. Their are some horrifically violent video games, but the blame comes down to the Individual playing the game or parents not monitoring what their children play and watch.  I can play a game like Modern Warfare and NOT get a gun and go out and kill people in real life. I can do that because I am not Insane. I dont relate fake action and fiction to real life.

People need to stop blaming everything bad in life to games,TV, Movies and Books. Take responsibility for your own actions and sort your sh*t out.  If you cant do that then you need help and counseling.  

I'm tired of hearing stories about kids shooting someone and blaming a video game.  They dont blame the parents for raising a fu**ed up, mental case, child.  They never blame the action on the alcoholic father who beat the kid or the Mother who's never their. They never look into the years and years of neglect and abuse, instead they see he had a copy of Resident Evil or GTA.  Blame is always placed on whats convenient.

I don't accept that its wrong to shoot innocent people nor would I ever be conditioned to believe it is to be honest, I see it for what is, a computer game.

ahh but, some kids find it stimulating, and actually go and join the military to do the same thing.

Well, I was actually thinking about that after my post. I mean, I've killed innocent people in games like GTA and what not just out of boredom or because I had to wait for something in the game to progress or what not. So I do agree with you. Didn't it at all get to you in this case though? The screaming and stuff, it's pretty twisted. I guess my real concern would be if someone would actually enjoy the idea of doing such a thing in reality when playing that scene, for obvious reasons.

I have no problem seperating movies or games from reality either, but when playing or watching the game or movie it does envoke certain emotions, at least if I'm into it. Like, a good horror movie thankfully does scare the sh*t out of me, thankfully cause I enjoy that But this airport scene did disgust me. Which doesn't say I think it should be taken out, at all. I remember seeing much more twisted things in certain movies, stuff that disgusted way more than that scene.

I disagree, they're not saying it's ok to do such a thing, they're leaving it entirely upto the player. Though I'd say almost the opposite even, as you're undercover with terrorists, and the game is certianly not claiming that being a terrorist is a good thing.

i agree with all of your points, i also love shooty games, but this one does go far too far, in its ethos about killing innocents.

I kill people all the time on GTA. It doesn't harm anyone, and if it affects anyone then they should stop playing.

Simple as that.

good point too, i dont like GTA i find it morally wrong, to kick pensioners on the floor until they bleed, just the idea of it is WRONG

Similar thread was made not too long ago.

I don't think it has. It's a video game. Technology is taking over the world, it needs to stay up to date to grow. We as an audience are becoming more and more de-sensitised to controversial topics and this has to be catered for or sales are lost.

No-one complains about films? They are far worse at times.

The only game I've ever felt uncomfortable playing is Manhunt/Manhunt 2.

this is true, if teh public are sick they will invoke sales, its all about sales, and how far they can go to make a profit.

Unsettled a few geek feathers here, Robby. 

ha ha ha, i aim to please only!

Just makes the games better IMO

But if someone goes and copies a killing spree or whatever then i don't believe it is because of the game, IMO there is already something not quite right with them because if you then think it's right just because they have done it on a game then it just shows a certain level of stupidity.

Also if it is the younger people that are more affected then you have to blame the parents because these games are listed as 18.

I remember playing Cowboys & Indians when I was younger.  The objective was to 'kill'  all your opponents.  Was that too violent?  It's strange how throughout the ages, some people always have to have a go at popular media.  Books were burned, we had people blaming books for killing people - John Lennon's killer Mark David Chapman for example. And the list goes on, records, TV, film & now video games all used as excuses by people who should have known better.  It's a shame people have to find things to blame for societies ills, when we should be looking at the society itself and maybe, just maybe, people should start taking responsibility for their own actions again.

great post mr trekky, i agree, but games have taken it one step further with the active role you possess, the interaction and the reality.

Again, ill reiterate what i have said in the other thread you started on this subject. If someone plays this game, or any others that feature this, and think its okay to go out and shoot people because of it, then they are royally fu**ed in the head already and should have been put in a F***ing whte jacket before hand anyways. There is some switch in the brain that has been fu**ed from birth if this game makes it acceptable for someone to do this. Simple as that. Think about the HUUUUUGE sales of this game, and the GTA series for example, and compare that to the instances where someone has used videogames as an excuse in court for their actions. Very very very small. These games are some of the biggest sellers EVER. And the instances of violence being actually attributed to these games is very small in comparison. And any people who have done anything bad because of these games, i again state, were F***ing fu**ed already, absolutely royally fu**ed. And its no excuse. Think about the wild west? Did they have video games? No, yet they went out shooting people for fun all the time! Jack the ripper? No, he was just fu**ed in the head as well. Murder has been rife in society, and arguably more in the past than it is now, and they never had video games.

This argument is just a cop-out, simple. And i will defend that view very passionately, because i personally enjoy these games hugely and i hate it when people use them as an excuse for little johnny serial killer to get him a shorter sentence. If he/she killed someone, they were always a F***ing maniac, the game didn't do that to them.

great post mr trekky, i agree, but games have taken it one step further with the active role you possess, the interaction and the reality.

I've never played a game believing it was 'real', no matter how good the graphics.  People who believe games are real were unhinged long before they pressed the on button.  Rating Certifications are on games for a reason, but I've lost count of the times a parent has bought an 18 title for a kid not even in their teens.  And I'll admit, young children do like to imitate what they see.  But who's to blame, the game with its 18 certificate or the idiotic parent that gave their kid, "Who's such a good boy, most of the time", the game.

I think you want to concentrate on porn movies Robbie as every time I see one of them I want to re-create it with the missus.

God made the mistake of giving me a brain and penis and just enough blood to power one at a time

I was discussing something similiar to this with a mate of mine the other day. He said that these games make people violent, I didn't agree so I took out an AK-47 and shot him in the head.

I was discussing something similiar to this with a mate of mine the other day. He said that these games make people violent, I didn't agree so I took out an AK-47 and shot him in the head.

As any level-headed young man should. Good lad.

Call me immoral, but I have absolutely no trouble killing people in a video game. In fact, the more gruesome, the better. That's where it ends, though. I've never thought it'd be a good idea to go driving a stolen car through pedestrian precint, or whip out a rifle and blow people brains out, and i'm sure most who don't have some sort of mental illness haven't either. If you can't distinguish between real life and a video game, then they already had some pre-existing issues.

I was discussing something similiar to this with a mate of mine the other day. He said that these games make people violent, I didn't agree so I took out an AK-47 and shot him in the head.

That'll learn him.

Ive been playing computer games since the 70's, im probably more qualified than all of you when talking about computer games is concerned, and ive played them all since pong, spacies, doom, quake, call of duty, The shooty games are always you against evil, you always take the morally high ground, but this new game and GTA, you take the dark side, it becomes acceptable, in essense to do the things you shouldnt.

Everybody is going on about reality and just games, but the point is yes, it is just a game, but the underlieing message this game portrays is, its okay to do the bad thing, because its just a game and nobody will get hurt. But if people keep on playing these games as the bad guy, then dont you think it will turn some people, and they will see it as acceptable to do the dirty, because they are sort of used to it.

Obviously most of us are all level headed, but over time even the most level headed can be effected, whether they know it or not, our programming is slowly being manipulated, by the powers who own all of these LEISURE industries, it goes deep.

Also, todays computer graphics are hyper realistic, in years gone by we were shooting unrealistic monsters and demons and people with robotic armour, now-a-days its mostly humans that we kill, and all the graphic glory that goes with that.

If as a Human Being you cannot separate, life in a video game world to true, real life, then you are a Sociopath to begin with and a game is not going to change that. 

I agree that violence in games is unreal. Their are some horrifically violent video games, but the blame comes down to the Individual playing the game or parents not monitoring what their children play and watch.  I can play a game like Modern Warfare and NOT get a gun and go out and kill people in real life. I can do that because I am not Insane. I dont relate fake action and fiction to real life.

People need to stop blaming everything bad in life to games,TV, Movies and Books. Take responsibility for your own actions and sort your sh*t out.  If you cant do that then you need help and counseling. 

I'm tired of hearing stories about kids shooting someone and blaming a video game.  They dont blame the parents for raising a fu**ed up, mental case, child.  They never blame the action on the alcoholic father who beat the kid or the Mother who's never their. They never look into the years and years of neglect and abuse, instead they see he had a copy of Resident Evil or GTA.  Blame is always placed on whats convenient.

obviously society needs first priority when tackling violence, but these morally wrong games dont help one bit.

Doesnt matter how long you have been playing to say how qualified you are.

Again. If you are going to kill someone because of a game, you would have found another reason anyways eventually. Because that means you're a F***ing psycho already.