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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #345: May 01, 2010 02:35:40 pm
      Tomorrow I will be focused on supporting my team and manager!!

      Fu*k utd and f*ck chelsea f*ck the press f*ck sky

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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #346: May 01, 2010 02:55:26 pm
      Chelsea have beaten Man U twice, Arsenal twice, and Liverpool once.

      Chelsea will be fresher after a good break whereas we will be tired and deflated after the AM match.

      We dont have Torres

      Those 3 factors alone would suggest anything other than a Chelsea win would be a surprise. It would be an amazing effort for us to beat Chelsea with all those things against us.
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      Reply #347: May 01, 2010 03:50:25 pm
      the post above makes the most sense!  my manc mates having been saying all week that we'll hand the game to chelsea.  no we won't and we should play our best eleven, but lets have a dose of reality.  we have been average nearly all season and if Chelsea really turn up tomorrow and play like they can, then we will probably lose!  we all agree that we don't have the depth to compete.  we are struggling up front and defensively, so I am under no illusion, that even if we play our best eleven, we are strong underdogs!  it's sh*te but that's the reality of our situation
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #348: May 01, 2010 05:28:08 pm
      the post above makes the most sense!  my manc mates having been saying all week that we'll hand the game to chelsea.  no we won't and we should play our best eleven, but lets have a dose of reality.  we have been average nearly all season and if Chelsea really turn up tomorrow and play like they can, then we will probably lose!  we all agree that we don't have the depth to compete.  we are struggling up front and defensively, so I am under no illusion, that even if we play our best eleven, we are strong underdogs!  it's sh*te but that's the reality of our situation

      That unfortunately is the laughable truth.

      We known for ages against the tougher sides, without Torres, we would struggle, some of us have been taking the piss about Chelsea beating us, no red is ever serious about wanting Liverpool to lose, but the reality is without Torres we are not the same team, Thursday night proved that.

      Sickening thing is, we'll probably get a pure backs to the wall performance from them tomorrow!!
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #349: May 01, 2010 07:21:54 pm
      James Lawton: Throw a match just to spite United? Nothing is further from the spirit of Shankly
      Saturday, 1 May 2010

      Having endured such a brutal season, Liverpool fans are probably entitled to a little dispensation for psychological trauma. Even so, this hardly dilutes the dispiriting meaning of a debate that has been growing for some time on Merseyside.

      It is one that makes a mockery of a well-earned reputation for humour of a high quality, generosity and a wry collective understanding of how football works.

      You could call it a controversy or a difference of opinion but for anyone who remembers what Anfield, and especially the Kop, used to represent, betrayal is a word that comes more sharply to mind.

      How else to react to the view of a dismayingly large section of the Liverpool support that it would be better if their side folded against Chelsea tomorrow rather than give aid and comfort to the title hopes of Manchester United?

      This, it is being argued on a daily basis on the city's radio phone-ins and in the pages of local newspapers, would deny United the chance to move beyond Liverpool and claim a 19th and record English title.

      It would, we are told, make the summer a little more bearable. A season of gut-wrenching under-achievement after the high hopes of last spring could be wiped away, free of the awful fact that it was the one in which United finally climbed to the mountain top of English football.

      Apparently even the faint possibility of Liverpool lurching into the fourth Champions League place, and rescuing mere failure from the jaws of catastrophe, is insufficient reason to assist United. You might want to imagine this is just a bout of Scouse gallows humour but the sheer volume of its expression is suggesting otherwise.

      Indeed, it is saying that in the matter of the mutual hatred that exists between large numbers of Liverpool and United fans we may have finally arrived at a sporting Doomsday.

      No, of course this doesn't exactly come out of a clear blue sky. In 1995 some Liverpool fans came to blows over the question of whether their team should gently subside before the Blackburn contenders of their old hero Kenny Dalglish and thus deny United, who needed three points at West Ham to land the title. That day the solution might have been authored by Solomon. Liverpool beat Blackburn but United could only draw at Upton Park.

      More recently, of course, the degeneration of spirit has been progressively sinister. When United's Alan Smith broke his leg at Anfield there was much mirth from some of the home fans – and obstruction to the ambulance rushing him to hospital. The reward for reporting this – and a disgusting scene when some fans standing at the memorial to the fallen of Hillsborough turned to United fans filing past with police escort and started yelling, "Munich, Munich" – was to be lectured by one academic on the healthy dynamics of working-class life.

      It is tragic when you think of the raw charm that used to rule the Anfield terraces. The young Bobby Charlton, already an Old Trafford star, used to drive there for night matches from his home in Cheshire and, if he always knew he was in for a night of considerable mockery, it was no hardship beside the thrill of being in so vibrant a place. It was also one that was quick to acknowledge the merit of all opposition. The late Leeds United manager, Don Revie, carried to his dying day the memory of how Anfield saluted his brilliant but much reviled team's first title win.

      You can't remake such days and such a philosophy but many certainly heard an echo when, as a doomed Liverpool prepared to enter extra time in their Europa Cup semi-final on Thursday night, it was announced that Fulham had already made it through to the final. When the cheers thundered around the ground, one veteran Anfield denizen turned to his companion and said, "That's just like the old days, isn't it?"

      An echo of what, though? Perhaps it was of a time when it was easier to admire than to hate, when giving credit to any opponent, not just one who had passed your hate test, was as natural as sipping your Bovril. When the need to win was important but it didn't have to eat up your soul.

      Yes, of course, it has been a disenchanting season for Liverpool, not one to provoke an overwhelming sense of well-being and confidence. If Rafa Benitez does go to Juventus he will leave a team nowhere near the land of promise that his early work, and phenomenal Champions League coup, suggested was so accessible. But of course it will simply redouble his insistence that Liverpool fight it out with the champions-elect. Who could want for less?

      None of this is to mention the memory of Bill Shankly. We know how he would have reacted to his team throwing a game merely to spite Manchester United. "Jesus Christ, it's an abomination," he would have said. Be sure, too, it would have been by way of the merest opening gambit.


      http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-throw-a-match-just-to-spite-united-nothing-is-further-from-the-spirit-of-shankly-1959489.html

      Ha ha ha - being lectured by a manc-loving, Fergie arse-kissing pr**k like James Lawton is F***ing priceless and I love the way he continues to fuel the myth that the ambulance that Alan Smith was in was obstructed, it wasn't no matter what the manc apologists tell us.

      Another F***ing reason why in my heart of hearts, I want Chelsea to win tomorrow, so I can see the faces of these F***ing parasites that love to crawl up Fergie's arsehole, the crying and whinging they will be coming out with. I love the little digs about "Munich" chants while completely forgetting the classless sh*te those psuedo Norwich cu*ts come out with.

      In fact I hope we put on such a poor performance, that it leaves some of the Fergie-loving press complaining of a "stitch-up" and I will laugh my F***ing arse off.

      F**k them all.

      "Post in poor taste" - a neg rating.

      Come on then dickhead, tell me why, or is it because you are a manc-loving c**t?

      Surprisingly the shithouse refused to leave a name.

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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #350: May 01, 2010 07:48:58 pm
      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article7113345.ece

      as the man from the Times correctly says...

      If you want to beat Chelsea tomorrow you are not a Liverpool supporter.
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #351: May 01, 2010 07:57:05 pm
      The article:

      Only one thing can save the season for Liverpool fans: defeat by Chelsea tomorrow. Any other result would open up the possibility of a summer of pain.

      That statement will provoke the inevitable question: how can you say you are a Liverpool fan and want the team to lose? The opposite is true. No real Kopite could want to beat Chelsea. Victory for the home side at Anfield would probably deliver the title to Manchester United. It is hard to see Sunderland getting a result if Chelsea fall flat.

      The antagonism between Liverpool and United is well documented and handing the trophy to Old Trafford is bad enough. But there are bigger forces at work. Sir Alex Ferguson, piling on the pressure in typical style, said: “Great clubs don’t throw their history and traditions away for one game.”

      He is right. For once, his logic is spot-on. If Liverpool lose, only three points are at stake. A defeat will soon be forgotten at Anfield. If, however, the result goes the other way, it will probably hand United two unprecedented achievements. It will be Old Trafford’s nineteenth title and the fourth league win in a row. Liverpool, left on 18 titles and one of four clubs to have won three in a row, would fall behind their rivals on two fronts.

      For United it would be an historic moment, one to savour. Liverpool’s claim to be English football’s enduring force would be, for want of a better phrase, history. Until United edge ahead, it is still the history, especially when the five European Cups are taken into account.


      Which brings us to Europe. The club certainly need the Champions League income. However, the proposition would be more attractive if Liverpool’s ownership and boardroom were not so destructively erratic. If Uefa’s cash props up George Gillett Jr, Tom Hicks and the rancid regime at Anfield then Europe can keep it. Defeat could force Martin Broughton, the new chairman charged with selling the club, to ask a more realistic price than the £500 million that potential buyers are being quoted.

      Some will ask what of the rivalry with Chelsea? What rivalry? Fans of the West London club are desperate to hate Liverpool, but it does not work in reverse. Chelsea are inconsequential — think Nottingham Forest in the late 1970s. The antipathy is all one way.

      It is not the same with United. The East Lancs Road rivalry is deep-seated and venomous. It comprises the sort of mutual loathing that gives the elation of victory an extra edge and the despair of defeat a greater depth. Agony for United fans tomorrow would be a delicious little sweetener after a bitter season.

      By contrast, losing at Anfield would cause Liverpool little consternation. The best thing that could happen is a Chelsea victory.

      If you do not understand this, you do not understand the history and traditions of the club and the city.

      If you want to beat Chelsea tomorrow, you are not a Liverpool supporter.

      • Tony Evans is author of Far Foreign Land: Pride and Passion the Liverpool Way.

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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #352: May 01, 2010 07:58:16 pm
      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article7113345.ece

      as the man from the Times correctly says...

      If you want to beat Chelsea tomorrow you are not a Liverpool supporter.

      I disagree I want to finish fourth and whilst it's still mathematically possible, I believe thats what we should give our all to achieve regardless of what other clubs can win, Man United winning the title and the possibility of Champions League football or handing Chelsea the title and the Europa League, sorry it's a no brainer for me, I want to see us in the Champions League.
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #353: May 01, 2010 08:10:27 pm
      Simply, i will not be as pissed off if we lose as we do get something from it. But while the match is on, i will be hoping for a win. I think if anyone is cheering for Chelsea during the match, you have some issues. How can you watch a match involving OUR club and not cheer for them? I just don't get it. I really don't.

      Like i said, we have a benefit of Chelsea winning if that happens. But make them EARN it, don't throw it. Because that will be our dignity gone. Throwing a game is sin in football, IMO. In any sport it is actually. So F**k that.

      And all those going on about "handing United the title" F**k that. Don't listen to the stupid fuckers who say that. We won't have handed it to them, Chelsea would have by bottling it all F***ing season. They could have wrapped this up a month ago, but yet we are in this situation. F**k them.

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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #354: May 01, 2010 08:19:40 pm
      We are no longer in the race for fourth so it's irrelevant
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #355: May 01, 2010 08:20:32 pm
      We are no longer in the race for fourth so it's irrelevant

      No Liverpool match is ever irrelevant mate, even more-so when its against cu*ts like Chelsea!
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #356: May 01, 2010 08:21:08 pm
      With the BS drawing, ensuring us a "European Place" the worst result tomorrow would be a draw, as this would not enhance our CL endever and give the scum the upper hand as their KO is later than ours.

      If we win we are in with a chance, of the CL place slim but a chance but this will give the scum a huge advantage for No19. A loss would leave us the the Europa league, but keep the scum at a disadvantage.....

      All I can say is this is Sophies Choice.
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      Reply #357: May 01, 2010 08:26:36 pm
      The last result I want tomorrow is a draw, that would be a nightmare
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #358: May 01, 2010 08:43:26 pm
      Either way I think we would all agree that the premier league have fu**ed us up either way.

      Sunderland V Man Utd should be the 1.30 KO because neither Man Utd or Sunderland played in midweek.  Therefore with us playing on Thursday we should have been given the extra time (as little as it may be)

      The fact Chelsea and us play first is purely to United and Alex Ferguson's advantage.

      Failing that both games should have kicked off at the same time
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #359: May 01, 2010 08:48:23 pm
      I think that is an excellant article while as I said already i want Liverpool to win every match I won't be crying if we lose tomorrow.

      There is a consolation prize in losing tomorrow stopping them tossers overtaking us and pissing themselves that it was us that helped them win the title.
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #360: May 01, 2010 08:49:12 pm
      Let's just see it as a win-win situation!
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #361: May 01, 2010 09:15:29 pm
      Even if we are definitely out for fourth spot, I would still want Liverpool to win.

      To throw the game away, we also throw our pride, dignity, history, culture and tradition along with it.

      But if we do lose, there is at least a consolation.
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #362: May 01, 2010 09:28:55 pm
      IMO I'm not too concerned that United may over take us in the league charts. Who ever wins the prem will have done so on merit. We should just worry about our own troubles and our own game with Chelsea. In saying that i would like Chelsea to pip United to the title, just not via beating us!
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #363: May 01, 2010 10:04:07 pm
      We should go for the win always
      If we lose then so be it
      Fair enough if Rafa plays Reina up front and ngog in goal thats his decision-I back his judgement
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #364: May 01, 2010 11:08:09 pm
      At the end of the day a real fan ALWAYS wants their team to win, and ok it will give united the advantage but that's just football and we have to deal with it and try harder again next season.  It does hurt to know that whatever the outcome of this game we would have helped another team clinch the title, but there is still a job to be done and while we still have a slight hope (of 4th place), you better hope we will fight till the end!
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #365: May 02, 2010 01:00:30 am
      Let's just see it as a win-win situation!

      A draw is sh*t for us though.

      Maybe that's why Rafa was talking about an attacking mentality. If it pays off we win, if it doesn't we'll lose.
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #366: May 02, 2010 02:20:38 am
      Turn it around...could you ever imagine stevie and rafa pleading and imploring the Scum team to be professional, prideful and do US a favour? Of course not. How condescending of fergie and shrek and just how patronising to our great club and our great supporters. What tw*ts to think that stupid mind games work on us.
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      Re: The outcome of the home game against Chelsea
      Reply #367: May 02, 2010 02:25:07 am
      Either way I think we would all agree that the premier league have fu**ed us up either way.

      Sunderland V Man Utd should be the 1.30 KO because neither Man Utd or Sunderland played in midweek.  Therefore with us playing on Thursday we should have been given the extra time (as little as it may be)

      The fact Chelsea and us play first is purely to United and Alex Ferguson's advantage.

      Failing that both games should have kicked off at the same time

      How is that to Ferguson's advantage? Surely he would prefer Liverpool to have to late kick off, since he actually wants us to get 3 point...?

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