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      Lucas Leiva Player Thread

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      littleface
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12000 : Feb 04, 2017 08:36:56 pm »
      An awful player who is at the root of all our problems. Having been indulged for years when he is average at best.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12001 : Feb 04, 2017 10:33:00 pm »
      I actually didn't think he played that bad today considering he's not a CB. Matip is a CB and he really wasn't much better.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12002 : Feb 04, 2017 10:47:48 pm »
      I actually didn't think he played that bad today considering he's not a CB. Matip is a CB and he really wasn't much better.

      He hasn't really played that bad when called upon, but when we lose and he plays, people just seem to slaughter him.

      Off topic, it seems as if he lost his Grandfather today.

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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12003 : Feb 04, 2017 11:38:51 pm »

      F***ing awful and needs f**king off pronto.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12004 : Feb 05, 2017 03:29:30 am »
      Good Man, Loyal Servant. wanted him to have his Testamonial but it's time to cut the purse strings. Never going to win anything with a player of limited attributes as Lucas has.

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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12005 : Feb 05, 2017 04:06:56 am »
      Lost his grandfather today I believe. RIP to your grandpa Lucas. :(
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12006 : Feb 05, 2017 04:47:44 am »
      Lost his grandfather today I believe. RIP to your grandpa Lucas. :(

      Sad news that.

      RIP Lucas' granddad.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12007 : Feb 12, 2017 10:51:41 am »
      And once again he puts the doubters to bed, never lets the club down and great performance yesterday, loves the club, the fans and a true professional and I hate to see some fickle fans saying he should f*ck off, loyalty works both ways.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12008 : Feb 12, 2017 11:09:54 am »
      All the haters:

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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12009 : Feb 12, 2017 12:05:08 pm »
      The Lucas his fans love was back to his best again yesterday.  Great performance.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12010 : Feb 13, 2017 07:09:21 pm »
      Played absolutely brilliantly on Saturday, a credit to himself and LFC, proud to have such a player in our squad.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12011 : Feb 13, 2017 07:24:30 pm »
      Brilliant performance at the back Saturday.

      All the gobshites can carry on crying about him not being good enough and calling him him awful, but there is a f**king reason he's still here after ten years, that's because he would run through brick walls for this club and that should be recognised.

       
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      Reply #12012 : Feb 15, 2017 07:20:22 pm »
      Brilliant performance at the back Saturday.

      All the gobshites can carry on crying about him not being good enough and calling him him awful, but there is a f**king reason he's still here after ten years, that's because he would run through brick walls for this club and that should be recognised.
       

      Absolutely, been a loyal servant, one of the few with bags of experience, played thro period where he divided the fans a bit, and has imo come out the other side as someone respected by pretty much everyone who knows anything.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12013 : Feb 15, 2017 10:28:30 pm »
      Excellent player, technically very sound and easily the most intelligent player in the squad but looks slow so gets no credit no matter if how he plays. When he does play these days its usually to fill in and he still is very reliable , even out of position.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12014 : Feb 15, 2017 11:37:55 pm »
      Let's stop with this nonsense Lucas is no longer up to being a viable first team option.

      Klopp never even considers him any more in his preferred position in midfield for a reason, unless it's the last 10mins to utilise his heading strength.

      He can do a job as a emergency CB as we saw against Spurs when the opposition have no pace in their attack because despite being one of the slowest players in the league he is experienced and knows how to read the game.

      Time to let him go and ply his trade in a slower league.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12015 : Feb 16, 2017 06:12:14 pm »
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12016 : Feb 17, 2017 02:34:47 am »
      Absolutely, been a loyal servant, one of the few with bags of experience, played thro period where he divided the fans a bit, and has imo come out the other side as someone respected by pretty much everyone who knows anything.

      That as it maybe,

      But he's the outfield equivalent of the much maligned Mignolet - an accident waiting to happen.

      But he gets a free pass because of nostalgia.

      It's funny because Gerrard was starting to get the criticism because he was slowing down in his latter years, and Can now; and yet I've witnessed Lucas at it for a long time, but it gets brushed under the carpet.

      If the club can cut their loses with Sturridge, they could easily do the same with Lucas and bring in some real quality.

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      Reply #12017 : Feb 17, 2017 07:20:08 pm »
      That as it maybe,

      But he's the outfield equivalent of the much maligned Mignolet - an accident waiting to happen.

      But he gets a free pass because of nostalgia.

      It's funny because Gerrard was starting to get the criticism because he was slowing down in his latter years, and Can now; and yet I've witnessed Lucas at it for a long time, but it gets brushed under the carpet.

      If the club can cut their loses with Sturridge, they could easily do the same with Lucas and bring in some real quality.


      Felt like SG was so good for so long, when he started to wane toward the END he started to get criticism. Some warranted, some over the top, but that's another days work.

      Lucas has been getting criticism from sections of the fans practically the whole time he's been here. I remember a thread where we discussed Lucas ad nauseum, some people proclaimed him as the archetypal holding midfielder, and that he should really be playing him in that position instead of SG - while I was on the SG side, just thought Stevie was 'more dimensional' (could do more things) in the same role. So I guess I found myself on the SG side of things, though I never 'didn't like' Lucas.

      Times have moved on, SG is gone, and Lucas is playing even deeper ie. reserve CB.  At this stage, there's really no debate as to whether he should be a starter, cause think most agree he shouldn't be.  In saying that, if we're a man down, I'm happy to be on the side of the debate that says he can come in and do a professional job when needed :) Also, we don't have many players with the experience he has, no harm having some players like that about the place, help the younger ones, know what's expected.

      Like an old jacket, has a few rips, seen better days, but has character and not ready to throw it out just yet
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12018 : Feb 18, 2017 09:02:07 am »
      Simple question. Would Lucas EVER get a game in any position for any of the top six in the league?

      Given Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlyn couldn't get a game for the Mancs, I'm clear what I think the answer is. If Lucas gets a game for us EVER on merit these days, our squad isn't strong enough. Simple as that.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12019 : Feb 18, 2017 09:34:08 am »
      I don't think Lucas get's any games on Merit or because he is a fan favourite....he get's it because he is good at tackling and reads the game well.

      I reckon Klopp (who many many players consider the best coach in world football) is a better judge on our players as he sees them day in and day out than any of you lot are.

      Injuries have reduced how mobile he is but he is still good enough as a 3rd or even 4th choice CB for us.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12020 : Feb 18, 2017 06:26:12 pm »
      I don't think Lucas get's any games on Merit or because he is a fan favourite....he get's it because he is good at tackling and reads the game well.

      I reckon Klopp (who many many players consider the best coach in world football) is a better judge on our players as he sees them day in and day out than any of you lot are.

      Injuries have reduced how mobile he is but he is still good enough as a 3rd or even 4th choice CB for us.
      He is not good at tackling at all. He had one good game and everyone forgets about how many points he has cost us with garbage free kicks being conceded. He is a fans favourite because he is a loyal player and quite a nice guy. If Klopp is such a good judge of players, explain Mignolet's 5 year contract and Can not being dropped for ages.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12021 : Feb 18, 2017 06:28:48 pm »
      Simple question. Would Lucas EVER get a game in any position for any of the top six in the league?

      Given Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlyn couldn't get a game for the Mancs, I'm clear what I think the answer is. If Lucas gets a game for us EVER on merit these days, our squad isn't strong enough. Simple as that.
      Agreed, Lucas is suited to a team like Bournemouth or Hull.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12022 : Feb 18, 2017 06:36:12 pm »
      He is not good at tackling at all. He had one good game and everyone forgets about how many points he has cost us with garbage free kicks being conceded. He is a fans favourite because he is a loyal player and quite a nice guy. If Klopp is such a good judge of players, explain Mignolet's 5 year contract and Can not being dropped for ages.

      Who would you rather us have than Klopp?
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12023 : Feb 18, 2017 06:45:15 pm »
      Who would you rather us have than Klopp?
      As much as I can't agree with around 75% of the things Klopp does or sometimes even says, I would keep him. There is not a whole lot better managers out there. I could make a long list of things Klopp got wrong, Mignolet contract, Signing the unexperienced Karius to compete with him, Can not being dropped, Publicly moaning about Sturridge, how he handled the Sakho situation, the amount of times he played Moreno before realizing he was rubbish, not signing anybody in the winter... there are others I can't think of right now. Despite all this I would not like Klopp to go. I do however want him to improve. I shouldn't turn this into the Klopp thread, I just don't think we can say Lucas must be good because Klopp picks him.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12024 : Feb 18, 2017 08:06:42 pm »
      As much as I can't agree with around 75% of the things Klopp does or sometimes even says, I would keep him. There is not a whole lot better managers out there. I could make a long list of things Klopp got wrong, Mignolet contract, Signing the unexperienced Karius to compete with him, Can not being dropped, Publicly moaning about Sturridge, how he handled the Sakho situation, the amount of times he played Moreno before realizing he was rubbish, not signing anybody in the winter... there are others I can't think of right now. Despite all this I would not like Klopp to go. I do however want him to improve. I shouldn't turn this into the Klopp thread, I just don't think we can say Lucas must be good because Klopp picks him.

      So you don't agree with 75% of what Klopp does? Wow. Some of our "support" is laughable.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12025 : Feb 18, 2017 08:32:35 pm »
      I don't think Lucas get's any games on Merit or because he is a fan favourite....he get's it because he is good at tackling and reads the game well.

      I reckon Klopp (who many many players consider the best coach in world football) is a better judge on our players as he sees them day in and day out than any of you lot are.

      Injuries have reduced how mobile he is but he is still good enough as a 3rd or even 4th choice CB for us.

      Against Spuds we had Klavan on the bench, and Gomez available - but Klopp went for Lucas. And he did a job. Not about getting all misty eyed, and don't think he can play midfield anymore, but can still contribute as 3 or 4th CB.   Next season, we'll see...
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12026 : Feb 18, 2017 09:01:31 pm »
      So you don't agree with 75% of what Klopp does? Wow. Some of our "support" is laughable.
      That is an old argument. Do you have to support the manager to support Liverpool? some may say yes, some no. I believe you can support a club and not support a manager. I do support Klopp to stay here and improve. I don't support a lot of his actions.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12027 : Feb 18, 2017 09:26:09 pm »
      If Klopp is such a good judge of players, explain Mignolet's 5 year contract and Can not being dropped for ages.

      Mignolet will keep his value if we do ever sell.

      Can didn't get dropped as we had so many injuries.

      Not that difficult to see the reasons really.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12028 : Feb 18, 2017 09:27:19 pm »
      If only Lucas didn't have those serious injuries, he'd be an exceptional, perhaps a world class footballer by now.
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      Re: Lucas Leiva Player Thread
      Reply #12029 : Feb 19, 2017 06:56:51 pm »
      Mignolet will keep his value if we do ever sell.

      Can didn't get dropped as we had so many injuries.

      Not that difficult to see the reasons really.
      I am not too sure Mignolet will keep his value. Gini was available on the bench a lot of the time when Can was awful.

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