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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #690 : Nov 17, 2015 08:34:12 pm »
      I know mate and Uncle Roy is wanting to get the lads together for a few days when there aren't any International games on, just for a get together, like that's going to make a difference how we play  :lmao:

      I still to this day find it hard to believe that he was once manager of Liverpool Football Club, replacing Rafa Benitez. I mean how is that even possible, surely it didn't actually happen??!
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #691 : Nov 17, 2015 08:38:35 pm »
      I still to this day find it hard to believe that he was once manager of Liverpool Football Club, replacing Rafa Benitez.

      It has to go down as the most ill conceived plan ever to befall the Club mate, it was mind blowingly dumb that anyone thought it was a good idea.  Even with little to no footballing knowledge that should have been obvious.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #692 : Nov 17, 2015 08:40:13 pm »
      Ross Barkley is incredibly overrated. The anti Iniesta
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #693 : Nov 17, 2015 08:43:03 pm »
      what a f**king goal that was !!!
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #694 : Nov 17, 2015 08:43:17 pm »
      I think Dele Ali is the real thing. Was surprised he started the season at Spurs but he looks quality. And has been England's best player. .

      I'm sure we were after him before he moved?
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #695 : Nov 17, 2015 08:44:00 pm »
      Wow what S goal by Ali fantastic shot 1-0 England
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #696 : Nov 17, 2015 08:51:29 pm »
      I think Dele Ali is the real thing. Was surprised he started the season at Spurs but he looks quality. And has been England's best player. .

      I'm sure we were after him before he moved?

      Spurs are contributing some great young talent to this England squad.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #697 : Nov 17, 2015 08:56:59 pm »
      Wow what S goal by Ali fantastic shot 1-0 England

      Didn't let his poor control in a good position earlier on in the half effect him which is good. Deflection or not, I can't see Lloris getting anywhere near that
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #698 : Nov 17, 2015 09:07:58 pm »
      Goal Rooney 2-0 well worked
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #699 : Nov 17, 2015 09:26:30 pm »
      Martial was anonymous. Again.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #700 : Nov 17, 2015 10:48:31 pm »
      Dele Alli a boyhood LFC fan, looks like he might turn out half decent but Rodgers didn't want him last season when he was available and why would you when you have the option of Milner   >:(
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      Reply #701 : Nov 18, 2015 01:59:08 pm »
      Rodgers didn't want him last season when he was available and why would you when you have the option of Milner   >:(

      I heard and read from ours and Spurs fans that Rodgers didn't want to gamble on Dele Alli and went against the committee's choice (Alli) and chose Milner.

      To be honest, I would have done the same and can understand why he didn't want to gamble on a kid and go for experience. But of course, knowing what I know now, I'd have gone for Dele Ali :)
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #702 : Mar 29, 2016 09:28:58 pm »
      Payet has just scored another worldy free kick. Absolute beauty.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #703 : Mar 29, 2016 10:00:53 pm »
      good game Ireland vs Slovakia both teams with a chance of dark horses for Euros. best of luck
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #704 : Mar 29, 2016 10:09:57 pm »
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      Reply #705 : Mar 29, 2016 10:54:14 pm »
      Dele Alli a boyhood LFC fan, looks like he might turn out half decent but Rodgers didn't want him last season when he was available and why would you when you have the option of Milner   >:(

      Actually what I read was that Rodgers was keen, FSG would only ok ridiculously small wages so Ali passed.

      But don't let the truth get in the way of a good Rodgers bashing.

       http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3408111/Liverpool-missed-Dele-Alli-signing-American-owners-pay-21-wage-4-000-week.html
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #706 : Mar 30, 2016 01:20:00 am »
      Actually what I read was that Rodgers was keen, FSG would only ok ridiculously small wages so Ali passed.

      But don't let the truth get in the way of a good Rodgers bashing.

       http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3408111/Liverpool-missed-Dele-Alli-signing-American-owners-pay-21-wage-4-000-week.html

      But why was he offered such a low contract?

      Liverpool's American owners only saw Alli as an Under 21 prospect

      Was it really the American owners who saw him as a prospect, or perhaps it were the scouts or the manager? Guess we'll never know.
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      Reply #707 : Mar 30, 2016 03:57:49 am »
      But why was he offered such a low contract?

      Liverpool's American owners only saw Alli as an Under 21 prospect

      Was it really the American owners who saw him as a prospect, or perhaps it were the scouts or the manager? Guess we'll never know.

      Surely you don't think Rodgers has anything to do with deciding what wages will be?
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      Reply #708 : Mar 30, 2016 12:55:50 pm »
      Surely you don't think Rodgers has anything to do with deciding what wages will be?

      Perhaps Rodgers didn't see him as a first team player and wanted Ali to spend time at U21 level or to go out on loan, hence to youth contract being offered.

      I think a manager has an influence on what type of contract a player gets.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #709 : Mar 30, 2016 01:38:46 pm »
      Perhaps Rodgers didn't see him as a first team player and wanted Ali to spend time at U21 level or to go out on loan, hence to youth contract being offered.

      I think a manager has an influence on what type of contract a player gets.


      It's no secret Rodgers wanted him though, it was down to FSG not paying enough. Surely it was common knowledge that he was wanted by other teams as well as Tottenham eventually signed him and on big wages. You surely have a bone to pick with Rodgers if you  are trying to put this on him. He made some screw ups in transfers sure, but this wasn't one of them.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #710 : Mar 30, 2016 05:11:00 pm »
      It's no secret Rodgers wanted him though, it was down to FSG not paying enough. Surely it was common knowledge that he was wanted by other teams as well as Tottenham eventually signed him and on big wages. You surely have a bone to pick with Rodgers if you  are trying to put this on him. He made some screw ups in transfers sure, but this wasn't one of them.

      I just like to take other things into consideration. I just find it odd that Gomez signed a 10k a week contract, but we offered, 4k a week to Ali? He signed for Spurs at 12k a week didn't he?

      It just makes me wonder if Rodgers really wanted him for the seniors. Then again, maybe we didn't f**k up in contract negotiations and he actually wanted to join Spurs as he saw them as a team on the rise rather than us? Guess we'll never know the truth :(
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      Reply #711 : Mar 30, 2016 05:40:06 pm »
      I just like to take other things into consideration. I just find it odd that Gomez signed a 10k a week contract, but we offered, 4k a week to Ali? He signed for Spurs at 12k a week didn't he?

      It just makes me wonder if Rodgers really wanted him for the seniors. Then again, maybe we didn't f**k up in contract negotiations and he actually wanted to join Spurs as he saw them as a team on the rise rather than us? Guess we'll never know the truth :(

      My understanding from what I read is that FSG weren't willing to sanction the type of wages that Spurs were going to give because they know eff all about the player. Of course, my understanding can sometimes also be eff all. ;D
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #712 : Mar 30, 2016 09:31:00 pm »
      I just like to take other things into consideration. I just find it odd that Gomez signed a 10k a week contract, but we offered, 4k a week to Ali? He signed for Spurs at 12k a week didn't he?

      It just makes me wonder if Rodgers really wanted him for the seniors. Then again, maybe we didn't f**k up in contract negotiations and he actually wanted to join Spurs as he saw them as a team on the rise rather than us? Guess we'll never know the truth :(

      I get exactly what you're saying PM. Somebody made the judgement that he only warranted an U21 contract, Brendan was clearly involved in that conversation. Whether he liked him or not he clearly didn't get across to the men who would negotiate the contract that he was more important in his plans than that.

      Brendan, as usual, has been happy to tell his side of the story deflecting all blame from himself. If Brendan wanted him as a first team player he could have sold someone like Allen to make room on the wage bill, but no of course Brendan was completely innocent in this if you believe him. We've heard enough of Brendan's lies to know the truth is probably quite different from the version he'd like you to swallow.

      If I were to guess I'd say Brendan thought he was a top prospect but didn't want to give up a first team or squad status player in order to fit him into the squad and therefore we lost out on him. It was a f**k up, one we became all too used to and exactly what I hope will change moving forward.

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      Reply #713 : Mar 30, 2016 11:48:37 pm »
      I get exactly what you're saying PM. Somebody made the judgement that he only warranted an U21 contract, Brendan was clearly involved in that conversation. Whether he liked him or not he clearly didn't get across to the men who would negotiate the contract that he was more important in his plans than that.

      Brendan, as usual, has been happy to tell his side of the story deflecting all blame from himself. If Brendan wanted him as a first team player he could have sold someone like Allen to make room on the wage bill, but no of course Brendan was completely innocent in this if you believe him. We've heard enough of Brendan's lies to know the truth is probably quite different from the version he'd like you to swallow.

      If I were to guess I'd say Brendan thought he was a top prospect but didn't want to give up a first team or squad status player in order to fit him into the squad and therefore we lost out on him. It was a f**k up, one we became all too used to and exactly what I hope will change moving forward.



      Harsh!

      Or maybe we should blame Benitez because we didn't sign Aguero, Walcott and Ramsey. We lost out on all those three because we weren't willing to pay the price, maybe Rafa should have sold a few squad players to make up the difference ?

      It's obvious we didn't fully recognise Ali's talent or no doubt we would have made more of an effort, but if we had bought him and missed out on Firmino :) for example the forum would have been in uproar. Brendan probably felt he needed players who would make an immediate impact to save his job not someone who he probably thought might come good a few years down the line (when he wouldn't be here)

      Hindsight is great mate. 
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #714 : Mar 31, 2016 12:08:13 am »

      Hey at least you are being honest now ;D
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      Reply #715 : Mar 31, 2016 03:48:25 am »
      Harsh!

      Or maybe we should blame Benitez because we didn't sign Aguero, Walcott and Ramsey. We lost out on all those three because we weren't willing to pay the price, maybe Rafa should have sold a few squad players to make up the difference ?

      It's obvious we didn't fully recognise Ali's talent or no doubt we would have made more of an effort, but if we had bought him and missed out on Firmino :) for example the forum would have been in uproar. Brendan probably felt he needed players who would make an immediate impact to save his job not someone who he probably thought might come good a few years down the line (when he wouldn't be here)

      Hindsight is great mate. 


      Rafa never missed out on those 3 because he could never come  to a position where a fee was discussed between the parties let alone the players wages.

      Hicks and Gillett.
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      Reply #716 : Mar 31, 2016 06:10:32 am »
      Rafa never missed out on those 3 because he could never come  to a position where a fee was discussed between the parties let alone the players wages.

      Hicks and Gillett.

      Nah mate, Rafa said at the time that he couldn't gamble on a 17 year old. He then went and bought Pennant  for around £7million and Kuyt for £10million. Aguero eventually went for £17.5 million.Again with Walcott we bought Bellamy instead.

      BTW both those were under Moores not Hicks and Gillett.

       Ramsey, Rafa again said that he couldn't gamble on high priced teens because he needed to strengthen the first team. So we went for Barry instead of Ramsey (we all know how that turned out)

      Personally I don't blame Rafa OR Brendan, they were under pressure to deliver results and high priced teenagers who would need a few years to develop just wasn't on their agenda when we also needed first team players.

      Certainly Aguero was mad keen to come to Liverpool

      Highly-rated Argentinian teenager Sergio Aguero wants to join Liverpool.

      Highly-rated Argentinian teenager Sergio Aguero says that he would rather join European champions Liverpool than German giants Bayern Munich.

      Bayern had been looking to make a move for the promising 17-year-old attacker, and were willing to pay around £10 million for his services.

      Chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge hinted a bid would be forthcoming sooner rather than later in the hope of getting their foot  in the door ahead of Real Madrid and Barcelona.

      However, the Independiente youngster says that he would rather join Rafa Benitez's Liverpool - the club he says he supported as a boy.


      "If I had to choose a league then it would be the Premier League," Aguero is quoted as saying in the Munich TZ newspaper.

      "I have been a Liverpool fan for as long as I can remember and it would be a dream to play there.

      "I watched the Champions League final and celebrated every goal as if it was for Independiente."


      Benitez has already dipped into the Argentine market to sign young defender Gabriel Paletta from Banfield for next season, and he could make a move for compatriot Aguero.

      The 17-year-old, who plays in midfield or up front, is being tipped as the next big thing from South America, and has been backed to make as big an impact as Lionel Messi in Europe.

      Benitez is always on the look-out for fresh new talent to bring to Anfield and Aguero's comments will make him confident of beating off a host of top European sides if he decides to make a move.

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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #717 : Mar 31, 2016 12:12:13 pm »
      Harsh!

      Or maybe we should blame Benitez because we didn't sign Aguero, Walcott and Ramsey. We lost out on all those three because we weren't willing to pay the price, maybe Rafa should have sold a few squad players to make up the difference ?

      It's obvious we didn't fully recognise Ali's talent or no doubt we would have made more of an effort, but if we had bought him and missed out on Firmino :) for example the forum would have been in uproar. Brendan probably felt he needed players who would make an immediate impact to save his job not someone who he probably thought might come good a few years down the line (when he wouldn't be here)

      Hindsight is great mate. 


      Well you say harsh and then go on to basically agree with me. As for Rafa he made his views on the people dealing with the transfers and contracts quite clear before he left, hardly fair to compare the two with or without hindsight.

      One is a fully fledged member of the self preservation society and I'm tired of his continual deflection, needs to grow a pair and accept some responsibility.

      Hey at least you are being honest now ;D


      Yeah because calling Brendan a liar, or stating that he had a role on the transfer committee is just a pack of lies apart from the fact there's a mountain of proof to back it up.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #718 : Mar 31, 2016 12:15:29 pm »
      Well you say harsh and then go on to basically agree with me. As for Rafa he made his views on the people dealing with the transfers and contracts quite clear before he left, hardly fair to compare the two with or without hindsight.

      One is a fully fledged member of the self preservation society and I'm tired of his continual deflection, needs to grow a pair and accept some responsibility.

      Yeah because calling Brendan a liar, or stating that he had a role on the transfer committee is just a pack of lies apart from the fact there's a mountain of proof to back it up.

      Lot of ifs and probablys in your post. It's just your opinion, that's fine, just glad you owned up to the fact that you are merely speculating, especially since you don't have a wall of statistics to "back up" your claims.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #719 : Mar 31, 2016 12:31:41 pm »
      Just glad there where no more fresh injuries, to any of our players. These International friendlies are a complete waste of time to my mind.  Woy did enough to sabotage our team when he was appointed manager by those two American cowboys, without inflicting any more damage to the club.

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