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      International friendlies

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      KopiteLuke
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #720 : Mar 31, 2016 12:33:10 pm »
      Lot of ifs and probablys in your post. It's just your opinion, that's fine, just glad you owned up to the fact that you are merely speculating, especially since you don't have a wall of statistics to "back up" your claims.

      So you don't like it when I:

      Post long posts because you're killed by a wall of text.
      Post a "wall of statistics"
      You claim I'm "owning up" when I'm posting my opinion.

      Anymore pathetic swipes you want to take at my posts, it's getting beyond tedious now.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #721 : Mar 31, 2016 01:28:53 pm »
      So you don't like it when I:

      Post long posts because you're killed by a wall of text.
      Post a "wall of statistics"
      You claim I'm "owning up" when I'm posting my opinion.

      Anymore pathetic swipes you want to take at my posts, it's getting beyond tedious now.

      Tedious is having to read one of your short story posts where you basically try to prove to everyone how smart you are. I've literally avoided some of these threads because of the pointless bickering and wall of text posts citing mountains of statistics to tell everyone else they are wrong and you are right. You could add a lot of value to this forum if you'd step back every once in awhile and concede that the truth doesn't start and end at your keyboard.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #722 : Mar 31, 2016 01:50:43 pm »
      Tedious is having to read one of your short story posts where you basically try to prove to everyone how smart you are.

      That's the way you interpret them FL.

      I've literally avoided some of these threads because of the pointless bickering and wall of text posts citing mountains of statistics to tell everyone else they are wrong and you are right.

      Yeah I appreciate that but when a select few are haranguing your opinion do you lie down and accept their point of view or succumb to the false representation of your opinion, personally I'd rather stand up for what I believe is actually the truth. 

      You could add a lot of value to this forum if you'd step back every once in awhile and concede that the truth doesn't start and end at your keyboard.

      Thanks.

      All I'd say to that is there are enough examples on here of me admitting when I'm wrong to know that I don't believe that for a second and I've intentionally left those threads alone because I do totally understand how irritating that will have been for those looking in.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #723 : Mar 31, 2016 02:05:40 pm »
      Well you say harsh and then go on to basically agree with me. As for Rafa he made his views on the people dealing with the transfers and contracts quite clear before he left, hardly fair to compare the two with or without hindsight.

      One is a fully fledged member of the self preservation society and I'm tired of his continual deflection, needs to grow a pair and accept some responsibility.

      This is were the hypocrisy set in Luke. "Brendan, as usual, has been happy to tell his side of the story deflecting all blame from himself."

      While "Rafa made his views on the people dealing with the transfers and contracts quite clear. "

      Not going to get in an argument mate and I will leave it here, but surely you can see the hypocrisy?



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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #724 : Mar 31, 2016 02:07:25 pm »
      This is were the hypocrisy set in Luke. "Brendan, as usual, has been happy to tell his side of the story deflecting all blame from himself."

      While "Rafa made his views on the people dealing with the transfers and contracts quite clear. "

      Not going to get in an argument mate and I will leave it here, but surely you can see the hypocrisy?




      No mate because Rafa did it while he was here, Brendan did it only after he left so clearly different to me.

      To elaborate mate so there's no confusion:

      The difference I see is one was stating the problems with the interests of the club at heart the other is only now stating the problems to look after himself. One way I can admire and respect the other I can simply say it's exactly how I expected him to react. If you say I should look at both exactly the same then we'll have to agree to disagree.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #725 : Mar 31, 2016 02:27:39 pm »
      This is were the hypocrisy set in Luke. "Brendan, as usual, has been happy to tell his side of the story deflecting all blame from himself."

      While "Rafa made his views on the people dealing with the transfers and contracts quite clear. "

      Not going to get in an argument mate and I will leave it here, but surely you can see the hypocrisy?





      Yeah manager who won trophies having a pop.

      Fraud who won f**k all using excuses.

      Do I win a prize?  :D
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #726 : Mar 31, 2016 02:34:31 pm »
      No mate because Rafa did it while he was here, Brendan did it only after he left so clearly different to me.

      To elaborate mate so there's no confusion:

      The difference I see is one was stating the problems with the interests of the club at heart the other is only now stating the problems to look after himself. One way I can admire and respect the other I can simply say it's exactly how I expected him to react. If you say I should look at both exactly the same then we'll have to agree to disagree.


      No mate, Rafa was in a power struggle, with himself and Hicks on one side and Parry and Gillett on the other.... facht.

      While Brendan was in a power struggle with the Transfer Committee.

      The fact that Rafa continually went public airing our dirty laundry in public and finally condemning Parry , while Brendan chose to do things "the Liverpool Way" and say nothing until he left is perhaps the best tribute to Brendan... you can make your own mind up about what Rafa did.

      Strangly when a director of Liverpool went public with his views on Rafa,  Rafa insisted he resign and as Moores said at the time "this is not the Liverpool way of doing business. The proper place for debate is around the boardroom table." Obviously it was o.k. for Rafa to criticise Parry, but he was a little more sensitive when it came the other way. 

       

       

         
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #727 : Mar 31, 2016 02:39:30 pm »
      No mate, Rafa was in a power struggle, with himself and Hicks on one side and Parry and Gillett on the other.... facht.

      While Brendan was in a power struggle with the Transfer Committee.

      The fact that Rafa continually went public airing our dirty laundry in public and finally condemning Parry , while Brendan chose to do things "the Liverpool Way" and say nothing until he left is perhaps the best tribute to Brendan... you can make your own mind up about what Rafa did.

       

       

         

      Interesting interpretation you have there, I completely disagree with it.

      "The Liverpool Way" to me doesn't mean you keep schtum about a problem while reaping the benefits and then once your benefits stop you start singing like a song bird making excuse after excuse.

      As for what Rafa did, he was clearly shafted from a great height and rather than protect his pocket he came out and told us all, something I personally respect.

      So it's quite clear we see both sides of this surprisingly differently.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #728 : Mar 31, 2016 02:51:38 pm »
      Interesting interpretation you have there, I completely disagree with it.

      "The Liverpool Way" to me doesn't mean you keep schtum about a problem while reaping the benefits and then once your benefits stop you start singing like a song bird making excuse after excuse.

      As for what Rafa did, he was clearly shafted from a great height and rather than protect his pocket he came out and told us all, something I personally respect.

      So it's quite clear we see both sides of this surprisingly differently.

      No mate the Liverpool way means keeping things "in house" not running to the press every time you have a problem with someone or trying to get them sacked as Rafa did on numerous occasions, with White, Parry and Purslow being the headline ones.

      Maybe you respect the fact that Rafa went public and complained about losing his job, went public and complained about problems with transfers, went public and complained about his new contract, but strangely never went public and complained about the debt. In fact he did just the opposite, he told the fans not to protest and told Gerrard not to protest.

      The fact that Rafa tried to leverage his new contract on the back of player contracts was just another little flaw we saw. Yet when Kuyt went public ... that was not the Liverpool way! :)

      Sadly I still find it hard to resist a Rafa argument but I will leave it there as it only make everyone hate me and changes no ones mind.

      As King Kenny said "it was right for everybody that Rafa Benitez left "


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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #729 : Mar 31, 2016 03:08:24 pm »
      No mate the Liverpool way means keeping things "in house" not running to the press every time you have a problem with someone or trying to get them sacked as Rafa did on numerous occasions, with White, Parry and Purslow being the headline ones.

      Maybe you respect the fact that Rafa went public and complained about losing his job, went public and complained about problems with transfers, went public and complained about his new contract, but strangely never went public and complained about the debt. In fact he did just the opposite, he told the fans not to protest and told Gerrard not to protest.

      The fact that Rafa tried to leverage his new contract on the back of player contracts was just another little flaw we saw. Yet when Kuyt went public ... that was not the Liverpool way! :)

      Sadly I still find it hard to resist a Rafa argument but I will leave it there as it only make everyone hate me and changes no ones mind.

      As King Kenny said "it was right for everybody that Rafa Benitez left "




      Don't worry mate I'll never hate you for an honest opinion.

      I see you've got plenty of past blood in this argument though and it is probably best left with an agreement to disagree.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #730 : Mar 31, 2016 03:17:24 pm »
      Edit: didn't want to bring a Rafa vs Rodgers argument into this :)

      I decided to do a quick search, and Spurs actually signed Dele Alli at the end of mid season January 2015 window. It was also said by James Pearce that we weren't even interested in him then (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-how-liverpool-fc-missed-10461719) because we had signed Can in the summer with Milner incoming for next season. Spurs' only competition to sign him were Villa and Newcastle. 

      This further indicates that Rodgers saw him as a youth player rather than Senior when we probably looked into it 2014 summer, and come January window 2015, I don't think Rodgers was interested enough to pursue because of the emergence of Can and the incoming transfer of Milner which is understandable tbh.

      Quote from:  Rodgers on Alli
      "I spent a couple of hours in a hotel room with him and he wanted to come to Liverpool. It was all about getting the deal done with the club but unfortunately it never got done.

      "On Saturday evening we thought it had got done but eventually he went to Tottenham, which was frustrating and disappointing. He's done really well there."

      http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/10134141/dele-alli-wanted-to-sign-for-liverpool-and-we-thought-we-had-him-says-brendan-rodgers

      From the quick research I did, I suspect Rodgers is not telling the whole truth, but also, not blaming FSG because I feel he knows Alli loss was mainly down to him.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #731 : Mar 31, 2016 03:20:16 pm »
      Don't worry mate I'll never hate you for an honest opinion.

      I see you've got plenty of past blood in this argument though and it is probably best left with an agreement to disagree.


      All water under the bridge now mate... or at least that's what I keep trying to tell myself. :D

      Agreeing to disagree is just about the best outcome I can ever hope for in any Rafa argument...thanks for that.
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      Reply #732 : Nov 15, 2016 08:28:06 pm »
      Lallana off injured.

      F**k off England.
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      Reply #733 : Nov 15, 2016 08:41:55 pm »
      Lallana off injured.

      F**k off England.

      I think you'll find it was Spain who did the damage.
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      Reply #734 : Nov 15, 2016 08:48:12 pm »
      I think you'll find it was Spain who did the damage.

      Well he played a full 90 against Scotland and started again today in a friendly so it's ALL England's fault :)

      Hoping Hendo doesn't play the full 90.
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      Re: International friendlies
      Reply #735 : Nov 15, 2016 09:23:21 pm »
      Well he played a full 90 against Scotland and started again today in a friendly so it's ALL England's fault :)

      Hoping Hendo doesn't play the full 90.

      Why are the city players coming off?
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      Reply #736 : Nov 15, 2016 09:43:39 pm »
      Why are the city players coming off?

      'Cos they are unfit pussys, the Liverpool players are Machines.
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      Reply #737 : Nov 15, 2016 09:44:58 pm »
      Vardy MOTM, Hoodle is well pissed..
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      Reply #738 : Nov 15, 2016 09:47:06 pm »
      Been Liverpool vs Scotland and Spain.

      Pointless friendly and now a player in top form for us is injured. Brilliant.
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      Reply #739 : Nov 15, 2016 10:30:53 pm »
      Hoping Hendo doesn't play the full 90.

      Just the full 98.  Like Clyne.

      Hope Southgate doesn't get the job now.
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      Reply #740 : Nov 15, 2016 10:50:55 pm »
      Just the full 98.  Like Clyne.

      Hope Southgate doesn't get the job now.

      Took a knock towards the end too, luckily seemed to be okay.

      Maybe England should work less on their celebrations and more on defending. Could tell the Liverpool players straight away because they looked in much better shape.

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