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      20 Greatest Managers.

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      Frankly, Mr Shankly
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      Reply #23: Sep 11, 2010 02:18:12 am
      Fabio Capello - wonder if he'll get a look in. Loads of people think he's a bit of a clown (for failing at the World Cup with England...please) but winning the league in Spain and Italy in some challenging clubs is no mean feat. World Class no matter what other people think.
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      Reply #24: Sep 11, 2010 08:17:58 am
      Football’s Greatest Managers: #10 Bill Shankly


      “It was my idea to build Liverpool into a bastion of invincibility. Napoleon had that idea and he conquered the bloody world.”

      There have certainly been managers who have won more than him, but few coaches have bestridden the English game with the same indelible intensity and force of character as Bill Shankly. Widely considered the greatest manager in Liverpool’s long and illustrious history, this most engaging of individuals is more than worthy of closer examination.

      Born in an East Ayrshire mining village in 1913, Shankly endured a difficult childhood as his large family suffered from the poverty which blighted the area at that particular time. Indeed, Shankly’s difficult upbringing is thought of as being the catalyst for the staunch socialist views and tough exterior he later became famed for.

      Discovering his gift for football at an early age, Shankly developed into a talented wing-back during his formative years at Cronberry Eglinton FC and the Glenbuck Cherrypickers. Attracting a good deal of interest from professional clubs Shankly signed for Partick Thistle in 1929 before getting his big break with Carlisle United in 1932. It was during his year at Brunton Park that the Scot became well-known in English footballing circles, gaining a ÂŁ500 (a significant fee for the time) move to Preston North End.

      Spending sixteen years as a first team player at Preston, Shankly established himself as a member of a successful side and played sufficiently well to be handed five caps for his country. Indeed, had it not been for the Second World War interrupting his career, Shankly could have gone on to become far better known as a player.

      Following the conclusion of his playing career in the late 1940s Shankly immediately sought to forge a career in management, his former club Carlisle United presenting him with such an opportunity. The Scot’s impact on the club was immediate and impressive, Carlisle being transformed from a mid-table nonentity into title contenders within two years under his stewardship.

      However, Shankly grew tired of the perceived tight-fistedness of the Carlisle directors and dramatically walked away from the club at the conclusion of the 1951 season. It was then that Shankly was to have his first interview for the Liverpool job but, lacking in significant managerial experience, was not selected to replace George Kay at Anfield.

      During the remainder of the 1950s Shankly flitted between a number of clubs, the still green coach having modest spells in charge of Grimsby Town, Workington and Huddersfield Town. However, despite success deserting him during his formative years as a manager, Shankly’s force of character and his ability to motivate players was evident for all to see.

      It was these traits, so it is said, that attracted Liverpool to him when Phil Taylor left the club in the November of 1959, an appointment which would change the course of British football history forever.

      The Liverpool Football Club Shankly found himself at as the fifties drew to a close was nothing like the world-renowned institution we know it to be today. All those years ago the Anfield club was in the midst of an alarming decline, languishing in the second tier with just a single title having been won since 1923 and both the stadium and training facilities in a state befitting of a tawdry amateur outfit.

      But Shankly changed all that.

      In a radical shake-up of the club Shankly promptly released twenty-four members of the playing staff shortly after his arrival and, greatly to his credit, increased communication between the coaches in an effort to shape more coherent policies throughout the club. “The Boot Room“, as it became known, was where the likes of Shankly, Joe Fagan and Bob Paisley would sit and discuss tactics and ideas, formulating the strategies which would eventually see Liverpool rise to the top of English football.

      In the early sixties, with Shankly modernising the club all the while, Liverpool’s new approach under their charismatic Scottish manager finally began to pay off. The 1961/62 season saw the club promoted to the First Division and continue to be shaped in Shankly’s defining image. Just two years later, on the back of a phenomenal ascent, Liverpool became the champions of England.

      While the rest of the world concerned itself with the Cuban missile crisis and the perceived threat of Communism to the world order, Shankly was staging a revolution of his own, deposing Everton from the summit of the English game and forcibly dragging managerial methods into the modern era in the process.

      His team of the 1960s – which contained club legends such as Ian St. John and Peter Thompson – went on to win another title in 1966, also enjoying some success on the continent as they reached the semi-finals of the European Cup in 1965 as well as the ’66 Cup Winner’s Cup final.

      The turn of the decade saw Shankly undertake a transition as he laid the foundations for the incredible success Liverpool would enjoy latter half of the 1970s. The first wave of players that had flourished under the Scot were largely released and replaced by a younger crop of players, the likes of Ray Clemence and Kevin Keegan being given the chance to establish themselves at Anfield.

      By that time Liverpool had, through Shankly’s sheer dogged persistence, become one of the most forward-thinking clubs in England. As Keegan once said of the iconic manager, “He put his character into the club in every facet from bottom to top”, the transformation of Liverpool Football Club was largely achieved through the sheer determination of Shankly to realise his ambitious vision for the club.

      After a hesitant start to the new decade, Liverpool eventually found their feet again in 1972/73 as The Reds expertly navigated their way to the UEFA Cup title, Borussia Mönchengladbach being defeated 3-2 in the final with goals from Keegan (2) and Larry Lloyd. The same season also saw the Anfield side regain their First Division crown, Arsenal being beaten to the title by three points to confirm the permanence of Shankly’s incredible legacy.


                     Shankly parades the 1974 Charity Shield

      The season which followed the double-winning year was to be Shankly’s last in charge of the club whose fortunes he had dramatically revived. 1973/74 saw Liverpool finish runners-up to Leeds in the league, but the club did not go without silverware as they beat Newcastle United 3-1 in the FA Cup final in what was to be Shankly’s final game at the helm.

      With Shankly having taken on what was a struggling and poorly-financed Second Division club in 1959 and turned it into one of the most modern, visionary and successful teams in England by 1974, the Scot’s achievements with Liverpool cannot be underestimated.

      The first manager since Herbert Chapman to truly revolutionise football management in the UK, Shankly’s charismatic and engaging approach to leadership we see reflected in top-level coaches to this day.  For that, for his commitment to Liverpool’s cause and his legendary rapport with the Anfield faithful, Shankly has become near-messianic figure on Merseyside.

      William Shankly. One of football’s great modernisers.
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      Reply #25: Sep 11, 2010 08:21:48 am
      Football’s Greatest Managers…#9 Vittorio Pozzo



      A name that has unfortunately faded into obscurity in recent years, Vittorio Pozzo is undoubtedly one of the greatest managers of all time. One of the most relentlessly successful international coaches the game has ever seen, Pozzo led Italy to two World Cup triumphs and Olympic gold during his twenty years in charge of the Azzurri in three spells between 1912 and 1948.

      A prolific traveller during his youth, Pozzo studied in England at the turn of the century, learning English in Manchester and discovering football in the throes of a nascent professionalism. The game fascinated Pozzo and, overcome with an evangelical zeal, embarked on a playing career which saw him appear for Grasshopper Club Zurich before returning to Italy with Torino in 1906.

      Back in Italy and determined to ingrain football into general society on the peninsula, Pozzo volunteered to coach the Italian national team at the Olympics of 1912 in Stockholm. Despite being eliminated at the first hurdle at the hands of Finland the tournament had been a significant learning process for the Azzurri and a notable milestone on the country’s road to footballing development.

      On his return from Sweden Pozzo went back to Torino in a managerial capacity, the club at  which he stayed until 1922. During that time the rising coach was forced to juggle football with his job as a middle manager at Pirelli as well as having his blossoming sporting commitments disrupted by the First World War. In 1922 he left Turin and headed south, taking the reins at AC Milan and overseeing a relatively quiet time in the Rossoneri‘s history before returning to the national team in 1928.

      Pozzo, known to many as il Vecchio Maestro (the Old Master), was eventually handed the Italy job on a permanent basis in the winter of 1929 – although he was initially unpaid – and promptly set about building one of the most successful teams there has ever been. The most significant aspect of Pozzo’s position was that he was given free reign over the national team, becoming one of the first international managers to be able to make decisions without the often smothering influence of a technical committee.

      Italy didn’t take part in the first World Cup in 1930, but all the while Pozzo was developing his tactical theories – the ‘Metodo‘ system being the most famous of his ideas. The formation was loosely based on the 2-3-5 system which had become popular in central Europe during the 1920s, but differed in several crucial ways.

      Rather than risking a sheer lack of defensive cover by playing five out-and-out strikers, Pozzo dropped two of the forwards back into what would now be considered an attacking midfield position. This created what became known as “inside forwards” and gave Italy, in what was essentially a 2-3-2-3 shape, far greater flexibility than many of their rivals.


                Pozzo is held aloft as Italy claim the 1934 World Cup

      By the time the 1934 World Cup  came around Pozzo had as good as perfected his system and was in a position to mount a realistic bid for the game’s biggest title on home turf. The Italians cantered past the United States with a 7-1 victory in the first round before struggling to a draw against Spain in the Quarter Finals, eventually beating the Iberians 1-0 in a replay the following day.

      The Azzurri‘s most notable win, however, came in the last four against Hugo Meisl and his Austrian Wunderteam. Inspired by the likes of Giuseppe Meazza and Angelo Schiavio, Pozzo’s team upset the odds by triumphing 1-0 in San Siro with a goal from 24 year-old striker Enrique Guaita. Not only was it a triumph over one of the best teams on the planet, it was also a triumph of the new over the old. The seemingly all-powerful Danubian 2-3-5 had been displaced by Metodo, Pozzo’s ideas leading to a dramatic change in the confluence of strategic thinking.

      The final was an even more dramatic affair, Czechoslovakia being beaten 2-1 in Rome with late goals from Raimundo Orsi (81st minute) and Schiavo (95th minute) overcoming Antonín Puc’s earlier strike. The ’34 World Cup had signaled a juncture in the evolution of tactics, Pozzo being the central figure in this move away from the attack-biased systems on the 1920s and towards a more cautious, counter-attacking future. This was il Vecchio Maestro‘s finest hour.

      Pozzo and Italy’s run of success continued throughout the 1930s, the Azzurri winning the Central European International Cup in 1935 before claiming the Olympic title in Berlin a year later. The Olympic final saw Austria slain yet again, the Italians running out 2-1 winners in extra-time with two goals from Frossi to kill off the Austrian golden generation once and for all.

      Pozzo’s Italy were widely considered the best team on the planet going into the 1938 World Cup in France, but were having their stranglehold on the international game threatened by the up-and-coming Hungarians. After comfortable passage through to the final the two teams clashed in the tournament’s climax, the rampant Italians up against Alfred Schaffer’s majestic team. Despite Hungary arguably having played the more impressive football during the competition, Italy refused to be phased as Pozzo led them to a famous 4-2 victory in Paris.

      A brace each for Gino Colaussi and Silvio Piola gave Italy their second consecutive world title, Pozzo outsmarting a Hungary side still attempting to adapt to the tactical changes that had been brought about four years earlier. However, where Hungary would continue improving until well into the 1950s, ’38 marked the point from which Italian football began something of a decline.

      Pozzo remained in his job until the after the Second World War, but resigned in 1948 following a 5-3 defeat to Denmark in the Olympic quarter-finals. By that time the great coach had become unfortunately tainted by association to Benito Mussolini’s fascist regime, many believing him to be at best a puppet and at worst a voracious supporter of the right-wing dictator. He returned to life as a sports journalist for La Stampa after quitting management with his reputation far from as strong as it deserved to be.

      A tactical visionary and arguably the game’s most prolific international coach, any list of the football’s greatest managers would be thoroughly incomplete without mention of il Vecchio Maestro, the godfather of Italian football as we know it today.
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      Re: 20 Greatest Managers.
      Reply #26: Sep 11, 2010 08:32:52 am
      Paisley and Shankly not even really in the top 10, Shankly just scraping in? Bullshit.

      At least Shankly is ahead of that c**t ferguson. Still should be a lot higher IMO.
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      Reply #27: Sep 11, 2010 09:10:11 am
      Shankly and Paisley were so closely tied together during Shankly's regime, that I would make Shankly 1A and Paisley 1B
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      Reply #28: Sep 11, 2010 09:11:56 am
      I wonder if Arsehole Whinger makes it into the top 10.
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      Reply #29: Sep 11, 2010 10:58:19 am
      I wonder if Arsehole Whinger makes it into the top 10.

      He probably will. Bet ye Fergie will be given 1st.

      I can't believe Shanks is 10th. I mean, even people from outside the clubs fanbase recognise how great the man was.
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      Reply #30: Sep 11, 2010 03:30:43 pm
      So far 11 managers and only one non-European, even Mussolini's manager is there. :D Facist c**t.
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      Reply #31: Sep 11, 2010 03:50:27 pm
      He probably will. Bet ye Fergie will be given 1st.

      Fergie is 11th, between Bob and Shanks.
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      Re: 20 Greatest Managers.
      Reply #32: Sep 12, 2010 02:42:54 pm
      Nice one for posting these, RedBlood. I'm getting an education.
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      Reply #33: Sep 14, 2010 02:37:07 am
      Knew Pozzo would be in. Two world cups - great manager although questionable about the legality of the first world cup in '34. But he deserves to be there. Had a 6 year unbeaten run with Italy in the 30s.

      Rinus Michels is a certainty for number 1. It's probably favouring those who play 'total football' so I wouldn't be surprised about Wenger's inclusion. He has made one hell of a club out of Arsenal almost single handedly.
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      Reply #34: Sep 14, 2010 10:59:43 am
      Nice one for posting these, RedBlood. I'm getting an education.

      No worries mate, it's an interesting topic and deserves sharing.
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      Reply #35: Sep 14, 2010 11:04:16 am
      cant believe Taggart is on there at all! Whiskey nosed b***ard
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      Reply #36: Sep 14, 2010 11:09:47 am
      cant believe Taggart is on there at all! Whiskey nosed b***ard

      Remove our rose tinted glasses for a moment mate and he has been successful and won plenty of trophies and that is what greats are inevitably judged on.

      Still hate the w**ker though. ;D
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      Reply #37: Sep 14, 2010 01:19:48 pm
      Quote from RedLFCBlood

      May I add, I feel all used and dirty and in need of a shower after that. ;D
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      Great thread and less of the cheek ;D. And for the record there isn't 10 managers better than Sir Alex. Is this your view Red?
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      Reply #38: Sep 14, 2010 01:26:02 pm
      Great thread and less of the cheek ;D. And for the record there isn't 10 managers better than Sir Alex. Is this your view Red?

      As anyone who's anyone in football is ultimately remembered by what they achieved and won then removing my rose tinted specs, its fair to say Alex Ferguson deserved his place in the list.
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      Reply #39: Sep 14, 2010 01:35:57 pm
      As anyone who's anyone in football is ultimately remembered by what they achieved and won then removing my rose tinted specs, its fair to say Alex Ferguson deserved his place in the list.


       
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      Reply #40: Sep 14, 2010 03:26:10 pm

      He's a bit of a c**t, though. Wouldn't you agree?
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      Reply #41: Sep 14, 2010 03:38:17 pm
      As anyone who's anyone in football is ultimately remembered by what they achieved and won then removing my rose tinted specs, its fair to say Alex Ferguson deserved his place in the list.

      Totally agree. I mean I hate him as much as you do but without him Manchester United would be rotten bacon. 2 Champions Leagues is certainly no mean feat and the fact he won the European Cups Winners Cup with Aberdeen was certainly an incredible achievement. Just thank God he's nearing retirement! Total arse though.   :D
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      Reply #42: Sep 14, 2010 03:55:50 pm
      He's a bit of a c**t, though. Wouldn't you agree?

      He can be a pain in the arse sometimes, but can't we all   :)  :D
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      Reply #43: Sep 14, 2010 04:14:14 pm
      He's a nobody, to me. A thug, a manipulator, an arrogant being who is so self-indulged that no matter what anyone else does he has to portray himself as some sort of god and outdo them.

      He can F**k off that list, the c**t.
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      Reply #44: Sep 14, 2010 04:19:40 pm
      Un F***ing believable, Shankly at 10 and Paisley at 12!!!
      Shankly ranks well above that and in my humble opinon Bob Paisley shoud be near the summit, we know his achievments and the character of the man - that list is total bollocks.
      I was reading the text and it stated "although he won THREE European cups and SIX championship titles he won it with somebody elses team" or words to that effect, who the F**k writes this sh*t and tries to tell us that black is white. The list is without an iota of credibility.
      « Last Edit: Sep 14, 2010 04:28:52 pm by stuey »
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      Reply #45: Sep 14, 2010 04:21:40 pm
      He's a nobody, to me. A thug, a manipulator, an arrogant being who is so self-indulged that no matter what anyone else does he has to portray himself as some sort of god and outdo them.

      He can f**k off that list, the c**t.

      No need for that Crouchy  :-\  He's a all time great no matter what you think of him as a person. His record speaks for its self  :). Even you can see that  ;)

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