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      Re: Brad Jones Player Thread
      Reply #375: Dec 22, 2014 02:07:53 pm
      If you could combine Jones' willingness to come off his line and out of his six yard box with Migs ability as a shot stopper, we might have a decent keeper. I'd agree his distribution was also an improvement on Migs. As it is though, despite Migs weaknesses, he has to come back in against Burnley. He's at least capable of pulling off some good saves.
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      Re: Brad Jones Player Thread
      Reply #376: Dec 22, 2014 02:08:42 pm
      Did it last week against the Mancs too. Came out of his box to clear a ball over the top.

      And as soon as he has the ball in his hands he sprints out and launches it. Simon stands there with the ball, hugging it, and tells everyone to calm down before playing a pass four yards ahead of him.

      Is correct mate, just commented to a poster as to who is the better 'keeper, plain as the nose on your face that is.
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      Reply #377: Dec 22, 2014 02:21:51 pm
      Does anyone seriously think he should be starting? Give me an out of form Mignolet every week ahead of this semi-pro.

      Overall he's a poorer keeper no doubt about it,especially when it comes to shot stopping, but there are some aspects of the game he is better at that we can use right now.

      Firstly, he is better at coming off his line which makes a big difference to the rest of the team as the backline can be pushed 10-20 yards further up and it makes us less vulnerable to crosses.

      Secondly he is much better with the ball at his feet which means that we don't go into ful-blown panic mode as soon as the oppo do the obvious thing and press our centre-backs - he has the ability to knock it long over their heads and find our own players who are now in space in the centre of the pitch.

      Thirdly. his distribution is quicker and more accurate. At the moment we only really have Markovic and Sterling with any acceleration in the team but that ability will become crucial for starting fast counter attacks when the oppo are strung out across the pitch and we have Moreno, Manquillo and Sturridge legging it down the pitch., Suddenly, Stevie and Coutinho's passing options become much more dangerous in an exponential fashion.

      I think Mig's time with us is done - i remain baffled as to why we signed him in the first place given that his style i salmost the opposite of what we needed. Stick him in a team that plays with a low block and that tracks runners from the midfield - like Chelsea - then all he has to do is concentrate on saving long shots which leaves him looking like a hero match after match.

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      Reply #378: Dec 22, 2014 04:33:20 pm
      we've got Tweedledee and Tweedledum vying for the starting position while Pepe wastes away his career on the bench watching Neuer do Cruyff turns in his own box.

      It really baffles me that Pepe, with years ahead of him as a keeper, chose to warm the bench at Munich. Granted he wasn't as good as he had been when he went to Napoli, but considering how Migs turned out after a promising start, I'd have Pepe back in a heartbeat.
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      Reply #379: Dec 22, 2014 05:16:20 pm
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      It really baffles me that Pepe, with years ahead of him as a keeper, chose to warm the bench at Munich. Granted he wasn't as good as he had been when he went to Napoli, but considering how Migs turned out after a promising start, I'd have Pepe back in a heartbeat.

      Getting shut of Reina was purely an economic move, the implication to the team was not considered.
      I heard that f**king guff about him and BR having words.....that was all very convenient wasn't it?
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      Reply #380: Dec 22, 2014 09:21:14 pm
      Getting shut of Reina was purely an economic move, the implication to the team was not considered.
      I heard that f**king guff about him and BR having words.....that was all very convenient wasn't it?

      I have no doubt from our side wages came into it but he wasn't forced to go to Munich and never play

      I find that equally baffling that he is happy in what should be his prime to go into semi retirement



      As for Jones, I've never seen a keeper that let's so many shots go through him... His body is made of smoke
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      Reply #381: Dec 22, 2014 09:42:56 pm
      Really need a top class keeper to win the league, but then FSG will not fork out the wages, false economy if you ask me, but then I am only a fan what would I know!
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      Reply #382: Dec 22, 2014 10:50:53 pm
      Really need a top class keeper to win the league

      To be honest, I'd be happy with a half decent keeper at the moment, seeing Dumb and Dumber as our keepers fills me with no optimism when they are needed.

      At least Jones can actually kick a ball though and isn't scared to come off his line.
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      Reply #383: Dec 22, 2014 10:56:11 pm
      I have no doubt from our side wages came into it but he wasn't forced to go to Munich and never play

      I find that equally baffling that he is happy in what should be his prime to go into semi retirement



      As for Jones, I've never seen a keeper that let's so many shots go through him... His body is made of smoke

      Seems like he likes his scran more than the footy mate.
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      Reply #384: Dec 23, 2014 05:00:05 pm
      Yeah, "communication" and "distribution" may be important, but let's not forget the core goalkeeping attribute

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      Brad Jones has faced 8 shots on target in his 2 Premier League games this season, conceding 5 goals in the process.
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      Reply #385: Dec 24, 2014 02:11:25 am
      At least Jones can actually kick a ball though and isn't scared to come off his line.

      nearly jumped out of my seat when he ran out of his box to clear that ball against Arsenal.  I'd nearly forgotten a keeper was allowed to leave the box!

      the one thing I don't like about Jones (other than his being just as bad if not worse than Mignolet) is that a few months ago when Mignolet was doing his usual routine Jones kept going on about how unfair the criticism is on Mignolet, how he's a great keeper etc etc.  F**k's sake, why would you be publicly saying that you think the player in front of you is doing just fine?!  I would think that Jones would have been tired of sitting the bench.  So at least keep your mouth shut. 

      just made it seem like he didn't really care whether he played or not. 
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      Reply #386: Dec 24, 2014 07:53:35 am
      nearly jumped out of my seat when he ran out of his box to clear that ball against Arsenal.  I'd nearly forgotten a keeper was allowed to leave the box!


      Same her Fed. You know how the cameras show where the ball is and you know which end its going too and I just expected him to be stuck on his line like I have been with Migs for the last 2 seasons, but there he was coming out to get the ball. Nearly fell off my chair.
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      Reply #387: Dec 24, 2014 10:44:09 am
      Yeah, "communication" and "distribution" may be important, but let's not forget the core goalkeeping attribute

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      Brad Jones has faced 8 shots on target in his 2 Premier League games this season, conceding 5 goals in the process.

      In his Cup appearences a while back, I recall Jones pulling off a number of great saves. I´d put his current struggle with shots down to lack of game-time. He´s going to get it right. As for other goalkeeping bread and butter I think Hollywood Balls put it better than I could. Brad is better at almost everything, and he has some confidence unlike Simon. The lads in front of him will only benefit from it.
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      Reply #388: Dec 24, 2014 11:12:29 am
      Yeah, "communication" and "distribution" may be important, but let's not forget the core goalkeeping attribute

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      Brad Jones has faced 8 shots on target in his 2 Premier League games this season, conceding 5 goals in the process.

      Some aren't just down to him though, I mean the Debuchy goal...what the f**k was that about Skrtel?!
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      Reply #389: Dec 24, 2014 01:23:08 pm
      Does anyone seriously think he should be starting? Give me an out of form Mignolet every week ahead of this semi-pro.

      Agree 100%.

      He's a poor poor excuse for a keeper and Mig on his worst day is still better.

      The problem is that Jones is the 'competition' and is another reason why Mignolet's form has suffered so badly.
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      Reply #390: Dec 24, 2014 06:52:59 pm
      The problem is that Jones is the 'competition' and is another reason why Mignolet's form has suffered so badly.

      And why we started to see Reina dip a bit himself.
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      Reply #391: Dec 24, 2014 07:13:35 pm
      Having dodgy keepers, including Reina's dip, has been a problem since Achterberg joined the coaching staff.
      You could say that Reina started going downhill pretty much as soon as the new coach arrived.

      It's a bit too much of a coincidence for me.
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      Reply #392: Dec 24, 2014 08:13:49 pm
      Having dodgy keepers, including Reina's dip, has been a problem since Achterberg joined the coaching staff.
      You could say that Reina started going downhill pretty much as soon as the new coach arrived.

      It's a bit too much of a coincidence for me.

      It's a fair point. If the manager was in charge of a TEAM which declined at the rate our keepers have (with respect to Jones he hasn't really declined, he was always useless) then he'd be out of a job. Is this Acherberg bloke one of Brendans coaches, the fella he used at Swansea or just some random?

      I do think we ask a lot of our keeper, given we are sh!te in defence and the fact we want him to be Franz Beckenbauer when he's not saving all the shots.
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      Reply #393: Dec 24, 2014 08:35:07 pm
      It's a fair point. If the manager was in charge of a TEAM which declined at the rate our keepers have (with respect to Jones he hasn't really declined, he was always useless) then he'd be out of a job. Is this Acherberg bloke one of Brendans coaches, the fella he used at Swansea or just some random?

      I do think we ask a lot of our keeper, given we are sh!te in defence and the fact we want him to be Franz Beckenbauer when he's not saving all the shots.


      He was brought in by Roy.
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      Reply #394: Dec 24, 2014 08:43:42 pm
      ..and interestingly is the only coach in the club who has survived all the changes since that dark era.
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      Reply #395: Dec 25, 2014 12:02:52 am

      There were reports of him ripping the piss out of Reina in training, always riding him and generally being a tw*t.

      Obviously his methods aren't working because he is turning good keepers into bad ones.

      Well, 2 out of 3 anyway.
      Not sure Jones counts.
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      Reply #396: Dec 25, 2014 12:57:02 am
      Achterburg was let go as a player by Tranmere in 2009, that very year he became reserve goalkeeping coach at LFC under Rafa.

      In 2011, Roy promoted him to head goalkeeping coach and he's been that ever since.  :-\

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Achterberg
      http://www.liverpoolfc.com/team/first-team/staff/john-achterberg
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      Reply #397: Dec 25, 2014 01:17:12 am
      Jones needs at least a little run of games to prove himself. He hasnt got one for years. A bit of support wouldnt go amiss. Small signs of improvement already. We´re about to start banging them in so we may not need a Neuer for this festive period. And theres definitely a blinder in Brad against your Burnleys. Hes not "that" bad.

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      Jones made his first appearance of the 2012–13 season in a UEFA Europa League qualifier against Gomel on 2 August; Liverpool won the game 1–0. His second appearance came on 20 September in a 5–2 win against Young Boys in the Europa League group stage. Jones also helped Liverpool progress in the League Cup in a 2–1 win against West Brom on 26 September.

      His first Premier League start came on 20 October, against Reading, which Liverpool won 1–0. On 25 October, Jones played his third Europa League game against Anzhi Makhachkala, keeping yet another clean sheet as Liverpool won 1–0. Three days later he played in Liverpool's 2–2 draw at Goodison Park. On 31 October, Liverpool played Swansea City in the League Cup which Liverpool lost 3–1.
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      Re: Brad Jones Player Thread
      Reply #398: Dec 25, 2014 02:03:47 am
      Jones needs at least a little run of games to prove himself. He hasnt got one for years. A bit of support wouldnt go amiss. Small signs of improvement already. We´re about to start banging them in so we may not need a Neuer for this festive period. And theres definitely a blinder in Brad against your Burnleys. Hes not "that" bad.


      Yes, he really is.

      Nothing against Jones but football is a ruthless industry, and we cannot afford to be having an inadequate player in our side, especially when the margins are so small.

      We really need a quality goalkeeper, we can't wait till the summer unless Mignolet finds his form.
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      Reply #399: Dec 25, 2014 03:06:33 am
      Nothing against Jones but football is a ruthless industry, and we cannot afford to be having an inadequate player in our side, especially when the margins are so small.

      Allen, Johnson, Skrtel, Lovren, Balotelli, Henderson, a past-it Gerrard etc.

      they all regularly make the starting XI despite being decidedly inadequate and often times downright sh*te.

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