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      Re: Bundesliga
      Reply #782: May 31, 2020 08:12:32 pm
      Do hope Sancho doesn't go to United for the money. Some player.
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      Reply #783: May 31, 2020 11:46:03 pm
      Do hope Sancho doesn't go to United for the money. Some player.

      He will do, but I'm still not convinced about him or Dortmund, both very very sloppy.
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      Reply #784: Jun 01, 2020 12:19:34 am
      Didn't know anyone was that arsed?

      There’s been no VAR he can try and take some high ground on so has to grasp at anything these days.


      Do hope Sancho doesn't go to United for the money. Some player.

      I’m not worried if he does, heard it all before about Di Maria, Falcao, Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba, James and whoever else. They may have a bit of a decent start at the club but it never ends well. Fernandes has had a good start but it won’t be long before he realises what a shithole the club is and wants out.

      Plus if Sancho really wants to become one of the best he should probably be aiming for a higher standard club than United.
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      Reply #785: Jun 06, 2020 04:26:20 pm
      big win for Mainz 2-0 at Frankfurt.
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      Reply #786: Jun 07, 2020 10:41:51 am
      Bayern are so much better than everyone else, kind of like us in the Prem!
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      Reply #787: Jun 08, 2020 11:20:55 pm
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      Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise we've won the prem the last 7 years. You will always get certain teams who are more dominant in any league, but even in Man Utd's heyday they still only managed 3 in a row and most years they had at least one team chasing them. Bayern are dominant in Germany for the same reason PSG are in France MONEY, they have way more money available than any of the other teams and that distorts the league. Citeh is probably the nearest equivalent in the Prem but the other teams are still very strong and rich enough to compete.

      As regards home advantage, that will hurt the bottom feeders more than the top teams. Top teams tend to win home and away and while there is obviously an advantage to playing in front of your own fans its not so big an effect when you have a highly skilled and talented team.

      The number of home wins has stretched to 10 from 46 games. So teams at both ends of the table are affected atm. Lack of fans is clearly a bigger factor than talent and skill.

      Bayern have never won 8 in a row before or anything close, and don't spend much money either compared to others. And as for the comparison, let's see. Bayern have the fanbase, the history, the tradition, the European and the World Cups. City have none of the above. No comparison.

      We're set to win our own league by at least 20 points. If anyone questions it, they're put right asap. So if we win half as many titles in a row as Bayern have, we'll say we've earned it, and tear into anyone who dares to "hate" us for it. Rightly so.
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      Reply #788: Jun 08, 2020 11:54:57 pm
      Bayern have never won 8 in a row before or anything close, and don't spend much money either compared to others.

      Ey? What a daft statement to make. Bayern Spent about £110mill on Hernandez and Pavard alone last summer. Christ knows how much of a loan fee they paid for Coutinho too.
      Not forgetting it wasn't long ago they were spedning big money on Toliso, James Rodriguez on loan, Gotze, Vidal, Hummels, Renato Sanches, Javi Martinez and whoever else.

      Bayern have at a minimum the 5 highest paid fee's in the Bundesliga, they offer the biggest wages and outspend everyone.

      I'd love to know who the others are that they apparently don't spend much in comparison with.

      Ridiculous statement from you. They are about to win an 8th in a row because they obliterate everyone financially in that league and then take their rivals best players.
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      Reply #789: Jun 12, 2020 08:35:40 pm
      Dortmund have signed Can Sancho Haaland and Hummels. They were handed Gotze back from Bayern. I'm sure they didn't come cheap. Leipzig would be the City of the league, with a billionaire owner of them and a chain of other clubs, and is able to print money on tap. So they've gone from second division obscurity to European Cup quarter finalists and continue to grow.

      Bayern lost Robben Ribery and Hummels last summer. There wasn't enough cash in the bank to buy the Barcelona reject though, so he'll be going back to his dream club soon enough. The spine of the team have been there for 5-10 years. Neuer, Muller, Thiago, Boateng, Lewandowski etc.

      Bayern usually won 2 titles at most max, occasionally 3. As is the case everywhere, it's hard to keep building new teams with new players and managers, while motivating the rest to win another league title. So to win 8 in a row, is an incredible achievement by any standards.

      As for taking the rivals players, most of those clubs are selling clubs, and any German player with ambition wants to play for Bayern Munich, even those at the team's biggest rivals. So when Bayern come calling for them, off they go. Even Leroy Sane wants to go to Bayern.

      Bayern want player x. Player x wants to go. His old club duly let him off and make a nice amount off the sale, to invest it in their team, staff, or facilities. Everyone's a winner.
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      Reply #790: Jun 12, 2020 10:28:39 pm
      Bayern usually won 2 titles at most max, occasionally 3. As is the case everywhere

      Lyon managed 7 in a row not so long ago and PSG have 7 in the last 8 years.
      Juventus are about to get their 9th!

      So to win 8 in a row, is an incredible achievement by any standards.

      Which in today’s era of football, is only likely to happen if there is only one financially dominant team in that league. Which is the case with the Bundesliga. Nobody can compete with Bayern anymore. It’s the same with Juventus and Serie A, the league is won before the season even kicks off. No matter how the season is looking at any point, it will always end up finishing with them teams winning it.


      Dortmund have signed Can Sancho Haaland and Hummels. They were handed Gotze back from Bayern. I'm sure they didn't come cheap.

      5 players signed for a total of 75mill roughly.

      Bayern spent 70-72mill on Lucas Hernandez alone. They paid 8mill for the pleasure of loaning Coutinho with the option of paying 110mill for him this summer.

      Yet you are saying Dortmund can compete with them financially?

      Dortmund are like us, they will only spend big if they get big money from sales too, they have a low net spending. Where as Bayern can spend that money without a moments hesitation and year on year Bayern are up there with the highest spenders in the world.

      A day will come when they won’t win it, same with Juve, but it will only like be an off year like when Monaco got that freak year ahead of PSG and then it’s normal service resumed.
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      Reply #791: Jun 13, 2020 09:11:00 am
      Lyon managed 7 in a row not so long ago and PSG have 7 in the last 8 years.
      Juventus are about to get their 9th!

      Which in today’s era of football, is only likely to happen if there is only one financially dominant team in that league. Which is the case with the Bundesliga. Nobody can compete with Bayern anymore. It’s the same with Juventus and Serie A, the league is won before the season even kicks off. No matter how the season is looking at any point, it will always end up finishing with them teams winning it.


      5 players signed for a total of 75mill roughly.

      Bayern spent 70-72mill on Lucas Hernandez alone. They paid 8mill for the pleasure of loaning Coutinho with the option of paying 110mill for him this summer.

      Yet you are saying Dortmund can compete with them financially?

      Dortmund are like us, they will only spend big if they get big money from sales too, they have a low net spending. Where as Bayern can spend that money without a moments hesitation and year on year Bayern are up there with the highest spenders in the world.

      A day will come when they won’t win it, same with Juve, but it will only like be an off year like when Monaco got that freak year ahead of PSG and then it’s normal service resumed.

      It is crap when you have leagues dominated year after year by a single team but it can change, for example in Norway Rosenborg dominated for decades but then gradually some other teams managed to muscle their way in but it took a lot of investment to do it. Leagues need to be better at self regulating this thing, if a team is to dominant then place a transfer cap, draft system or something else to level the playing field a bit
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      Reply #792: Jun 13, 2020 10:08:41 am
      Werner fluffing his lines since we pulled out of signing him..

      Poor lad built himself up Psychologically to join us only to be told it’s not happening.. even though I think it still will.. 😎
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      Reply #793: Jun 13, 2020 08:39:04 pm
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      It is crap when you have leagues dominated year after year by a single team but it can change, for example in Norway Rosenborg dominated for decades but then gradually some other teams managed to muscle their way in but it took a lot of investment to do it. Leagues need to be better at self regulating this thing, if a team is to dominant then place a transfer cap, draft system or something else to level the playing field a bit

      We have it. It's called FFP. When were Bayern last up for FFP?

      A few years ago, it looked like the mancs would win the league every year. 2 years ago, we were 25 points off the top. Now it's our turn to be 25 points ahead of the competition. If the rest of the league dont like it, it's their problem not ours. We can't be punished for being so far ahead of the rest. This is football, not Formula 1.

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      Nobody can compete with Bayern anymore. It’s the same with Juventus and Serie A, the league is won before the season even kicks off. No matter how the season is looking at any point, it will always end up finishing with them teams winning it.

      5 players signed for a total of 75mill roughly.

      Bayern spent 70-72mill on Lucas Hernandez alone. They paid 8mill for the pleasure of loaning Coutinho with the option of paying 110mill for him this summer.

      Yet you are saying Dortmund can compete with them financially?

      Dortmund are like us, they will only spend big if they get big money from sales too, they have a low net spending. Where as Bayern can spend that money without a moments hesitation and year on year Bayern are up there with the highest spenders in the world.

      A day will come when they won’t win it, same with Juve, but it will only like be an off year like when Monaco got that freak year ahead of PSG and then it’s normal service resumed.

      Monaco won that league and got to the European Cup semis, then sold off all their assets, Mbappe, Fabinho amongst them, and several coaches later, are down at the bottom of the league. The mancs have spent hundreds of millions of pounds on new players and managers since 2013. They're almost 40 points behind us. They're well able to buy players but are nowhere near winning the league. Back to the Bundesliga...

      Dortmund are not like us, they are primarily a selling club, and they don't have a culture of winning. There's already talk of their best players leaving, not even there a year some of them. So they sell them on, rebuild, lose the league, sell more players on and the cycle continues. Last year, they were 9 points clear of Bayern at Christmas, still leading with 6 games to go, and lost the league. While just a few weeks back, they had the chance at home to hurt Bayern in the title race. They didn't perform and they lost. The lazy answer is to blame Bayern for it. The real answer is they're not good enough and they seem happy enough to be best of the rest.

      As said before, players want to play for Bayern Munich and that is usually enough alone for the club to sign them up. Ticket prices at Bayern are pocket money by EPL standards, and the fans are prepared to let everyone know the difference when travelling to London clubs for European Cup games. In English.

      You proved my point that the Dortmund players you listed didn't come cheap. Of course like most countries in Western Europe, they buy and sell in Euro, so the fees of all of the players are even higher than as stated above.
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      Reply #794: Jun 13, 2020 09:20:16 pm
      Dortmund are not like us, they are primarily a selling club, and they don't have a culture of winning.

      I’m sorry, when have we ever spent big money without selling players for big money? Same as Dortmund.


      You proved my point that the Dortmund players you listed didn't come cheap. Of course like most countries in Western Europe, they buy and sell in Euro, so the fees of all of the players are even higher than as stated above.

      For a start, I didn’t list them players, you did.

      Secondly, how have I proved it exactly? They got 5 players for the price of Bayern getting 1. All that’s proved is that the players they signed cost far less than the player Bayern signed.

      Thirdly, don’t start using currencies to try and suit your narrative. The fees I’ve looked at for them were based on GBP. Trying to use currency to suit your point is bollocks and massively clutching at straws. The initial point was that Bayern outspend everyone else in that league, it doesn’t make a difference what currency you try and use, it’s the same for the entire division. My other point was they are consistently among the highest spenders in Europe and seeing as it’s only really the U.K. that don’t have Euro’s, your point is again bollocks. You’ve made some ridiculous statements to try and suit your narratives over the years but trying to use the type of currency used is right up there.
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      Reply #795: Jun 14, 2020 02:44:30 pm
      Dortmund have signed Can Sancho Haaland and Hummels. They were handed Gotze back from Bayern. I'm sure they didn't come cheap. Leipzig would be the City of the league, with a billionaire owner of them and a chain of other clubs, and is able to print money on tap. So they've gone from second division obscurity to European Cup quarter finalists and continue to grow.

      Bayern lost Robben Ribery and Hummels last summer. There wasn't enough cash in the bank to buy the Barcelona reject though, so he'll be going back to his dream club soon enough. The spine of the team have been there for 5-10 years. Neuer, Muller, Thiago, Boateng, Lewandowski etc.

      Bayern usually won 2 titles at most max, occasionally 3. As is the case everywhere, it's hard to keep building new teams with new players and managers, while motivating the rest to win another league title. So to win 8 in a row, is an incredible achievement by any standards.

      As for taking the rivals players, most of those clubs are selling clubs, and any German player with ambition wants to play for Bayern Munich, even those at the team's biggest rivals. So when Bayern come calling for them, off they go. Even Leroy Sane wants to go to Bayern.

      Bayern want player x. Player x wants to go. His old club duly let him off and make a nice amount off the sale, to invest it in their team, staff, or facilities. Everyone's a winner.

      That's easy in a one team league!!
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      Reply #796: Jun 15, 2020 08:38:13 pm
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      For a start, I didn’t list them players, you did.

      Secondly, how have I proved it exactly? They got 5 players for the price of Bayern getting 1. All that’s proved is that the players they signed cost far less than the player Bayern signed.

      Thirdly. The fees I’ve looked at for them were based on GBP. Trying to use currency to suit your point is bollocks and massively clutching at straws. The initial point was that Bayern outspend everyone else in that league, it doesn’t make a difference what currency you try and use, it’s the same for the entire division. My other point was they are consistently among the highest spenders in Europe

      As your argument about how successful Bayern are essentially boils down to how much the club spends; (rather than how good the players are, how ruthless the team is, how well run the club is, or how there is no tolerance for failure) then everything to do with cash is up for discussion.

      Dortmund have a bigger stadium than Bayern, they pay the market rate on players, they're in the European Cup knockouts every year. They're not shopping in the poundshop for players, so given all that, they should be more competitive and successful on the pitch, but they're not.

      We've been trying to win No. 19 for decades. To win a domestic league one year is a big effort, to dominate it 8 years in a row is extraordinary levels of consistency dedication and professionalism, against the best the rest of the league can throw at you week in week out, especially when you don't have sheikhs and oligarchs to fund it, as Bayern don't. So there's a lot more to the club's success than financial muscle.

      We have a number of staff members with Bayern connections atm, and I'm sure they'll all be happy that the Bundesliga has been retained again. I know VVD was happy that Celtic won another league title. If we win 3 in a row again or more, no neutral will ever convince me that it is boring or it is only because we can outspend the Watfords and the Bournemouths of the league every year.
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      Reply #797: Jun 16, 2020 09:10:27 am
      As your argument about how successful Bayern are essentially boils down to how much the club spends; (rather than how good the players are, how ruthless the team is, how well run the club is, or how there is no tolerance for failure) then everything to do with cash is up for discussion.

      Dortmund have a bigger stadium than Bayern, they pay the market rate on players, they're in the European Cup knockouts every year. They're not shopping in the poundshop for players, so given all that, they should be more competitive and successful on the pitch, but they're not.

      We've been trying to win No. 19 for decades. To win a domestic league one year is a big effort, to dominate it 8 years in a row is extraordinary levels of consistency dedication and professionalism, against the best the rest of the league can throw at you week in week out, especially when you don't have sheikhs and oligarchs to fund it, as Bayern don't. So there's a lot more to the club's success than financial muscle.

      We have a number of staff members with Bayern connections atm, and I'm sure they'll all be happy that the Bundesliga has been retained again. I know VVD was happy that Celtic won another league title. If we win 3 in a row again or more, no neutral will ever convince me that it is boring or it is only because we can outspend the Watfords and the Bournemouths of the league every year.

      Sorry but you are talking out of your arse here, Bayern Munich are by a long way more rich and powerful than any other team in the Bundesliga, if they want a player, even from Dortmund, then they just click their fingers, can Dortmund do the same to get a Bayern player, No they can't!

      This doesn't mean that Bayern aren't also very well run, of course they are, but again they can recruit the very best staff, it really is not a level playing field at all and it will take either Bayern having a bad year or another team spending a shitload of money to rival them.

      All in all it makes for a boring league compared to the Prem where you always have 4 or 5 teams who can potentially challenge for the league.
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      Reply #798: Jun 17, 2020 08:09:18 am
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      Sorry but you are talking out of your arse here, Bayern Munich are by a long way more rich and powerful than any other team in the Bundesliga, if they want a player, even from Dortmund, then they just click their fingers, can Dortmund do the same to get a Bayern player, No they can't!

      This doesn't mean that Bayern aren't also very well run, of course they are, but again they can recruit the very best staff, it really is not a level playing field at all and it will take either Bayern having a bad year or another team spending a shitload of money to rival them.

      All in all it makes for a boring league compared to the Prem where you always have 4 or 5 teams who can potentially challenge for the league.

      4 teams have won the EPL since 2005. One of them was Leicester. The others have spent and spent and spent again to win it. These days, only two teams from 20 can win the league. Clearly not boring enough for you, and as we are one of the two, I don't think we want it to be a level playing field.

      Dortmund clicked their fingers and got Hummels from Bayern. And Gotze. Basic research would tell you that. Lazy inaccurate assumptions won't.

      It is true that Bayern recruit top staff, but that is what every club should aim to do.
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      Reply #799: Jun 17, 2020 09:15:32 am
      4 teams have won the EPL since 2005. One of them was Leicester. The others have spent and spent and spent again to win it. These days, only two teams from 20 can win the league. Clearly not boring enough for you, and as we are one of the two, I don't think we want it to be a level playing field.

      Dortmund clicked their fingers and got Hummels from Bayern. And Gotze. Basic research would tell you that. Lazy inaccurate assumptions won't.

      It is true that Bayern recruit top staff, but that is what every club should aim to do.

      Nope. Bayern clicked their fingers and took Gotze and Hummels when they were at their best.

      Now they're not needed and nowhere near their best they have pretty much let them have them. Nothing to do with Dortmund clicking their fingers.

      Unless you're trying to say Dortmund clicked their fingers and took Hummels from Bayern the first time around which is ridiculous as he had only played 1 game for Bayern. Basic research would tell you that though.
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      Reply #800: Jun 17, 2020 09:44:41 am
      4 teams have won the EPL since 2005. One of them was Leicester. The others have spent and spent and spent again to win it. These days, only two teams from 20 can win the league. Clearly not boring enough for you, and as we are one of the two, I don't think we want it to be a level playing field.

      Dortmund clicked their fingers and got Hummels from Bayern. And Gotze. Basic research would tell you that. Lazy inaccurate assumptions won't.

      It is true that Bayern recruit top staff, but that is what every club should aim to do.

      Yes I clearly remember that Bayern pleaded with Gotze to stay with them!!!!  I imagine Hummels either wanted to leave or Bayern weren't fussed about losing him, they certainly seem to have a pretty good defence without him.

      Look you think Bayern and Dortmund have the same power in German football, you are wrong but you are entitled to your opinion, its pointless having a rational discussion with someone as stubborn as you.
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      Reply #801: Jun 17, 2020 10:50:31 am
      4 teams have won the EPL since 2005. One of them was Leicester. The others have spent and spent and spent again to win it. These days, only two teams from 20 can win the league. Clearly not boring enough for you, and as we are one of the two, I don't think we want it to be a level playing field.

      Dortmund clicked their fingers and got Hummels from Bayern. And Gotze. Basic research would tell you that. Lazy inaccurate assumptions won't.

      It is true that Bayern recruit top staff, but that is what every club should aim to do.

      Why do you keep trying to compare it with the Premier League? The Premier League has far greater spending power than the Bundesliga. Villa and Fulham for example, upon promotion both spent over £100mill. The teams at the top all have similar pulling power for the top players and similar spending power. You think a quality player would sign for a German team in the Europa League? Not a chance, yet quality players will sign for English teams in the Europa League.

      All the quality players that Dortmund end up having are only there as a stepping stone onto Bayern unless another big team gets to them first.

      Nobody is saying it’s not a good thing Bayern have going with winning 8 in a row and they haven’t done well, they are saying the league is financially dominated by one team, which it is and for some reason you are trying to make every excuse under the sun to say it’s not the case and keep trying to drag us and the Premier League into it when it’s like chalk and cheese in similarities.
      Never seen you take a stand like this for our club, you sure are passionate about VAR and making excuses for Bayern’s dominance.
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      Reply #802: Jun 17, 2020 03:34:58 pm
      Dortmund clicked their fingers and got Hummels from Bayern. And Gotze. Basic research would tell you that. Lazy inaccurate assumptions won't.

      A bit like your lazy assumption. Basic research would tell you Bayern bought them from Dortmund in their prime then allowed them to go back to Dortmund due to age and Bayern bringing younger players through.

      Bayern are a bigger club than Dortmund, plain fact!
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      Reply #803: Jun 17, 2020 03:58:59 pm
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      Never seen you take a stand like this for our club, you sure are passionate about VAR and making excuses for Bayern’s dominance.


      I have thousands of posts here to do with our club, they're all freely available for anyone to read them.

      VAR is essential at this level, and we see why every week. If a league/competition doesn't have it by now, it's second rate imo.

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      Yes I clearly remember that Bayern pleaded with Gotze to stay with them!!!!  I imagine Hummels either wanted to leave or Bayern weren't fussed about losing him, they certainly seem to have a pretty good defence without him.

      Look you think Bayern and Dortmund have the same power in German football, you are wrong but you are entitled to your opinion, its pointless having a rational discussion with someone as stubborn as you.

      You're assuming in your previous post. Now you're imagining things. No facts though.

      I don't know whether Hummels wanted to leave or not, it's irrelevant tbh. Fact is, he went. He wasn't the only one either. So your argument that players can't go to Dortmund from Bayern is not valid.

      Your earlier argument that something must be done to stop Bayern dominating the league, is not even worth considering. Everyone starts Day 1 on 0 points. Dortmund had a 9 point lead over Bayern last season. They had their chance and they blew it. So if they're not good enough to topple Bayern after 34 games, then they need to ask themselves why. Because the set excuse offered isn't going to help them very much.

      If you think the Bundesliga is still boring, fair enough. But remember, there was only one team in the top 5 leagues that had a 25 point lead with 9 games remaining. Most neutrals think it's a boring, weak league this year. I don't.
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      Reply #804: Jun 17, 2020 05:36:37 pm

      I have thousands of posts here to do with our club, they're all freely available for anyone to read them.

      VAR is essential at this level, and we see why every week. If a league/competition doesn't have it by now, it's second rate imo.

      You're assuming in your previous post. Now you're imagining things. No facts though.

      I don't know whether Hummels wanted to leave or not, it's irrelevant tbh. Fact is, he went. He wasn't the only one either. So your argument that players can't go to Dortmund from Bayern is not valid.

      Your earlier argument that something must be done to stop Bayern dominating the league, is not even worth considering. Everyone starts Day 1 on 0 points. Dortmund had a 9 point lead over Bayern last season. They had their chance and they blew it. So if they're not good enough to topple Bayern after 34 games, then they need to ask themselves why. Because the set excuse offered isn't going to help them very much.

      If you think the Bundesliga is still boring, fair enough. But remember, there was only one team in the top 5 leagues that had a 25 point lead with 9 games remaining. Most neutrals think it's a boring, weak league this year. I don't.

      Both Hummels and Gotze were allowed to leave by Bayern as other posters have pointed out, admit defeat before you look a clown

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