NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

AZ I have no dispute with you  but lets face it you were treated with some suspicion when you first started posting on LFCREDS on matters relating to Fenway. We were all pleased when Fenway took over from the vermin Hicks and Gillette but we have got to start seeing some silverware in the trophy cupboard ,being nearly winners will not do. Like you I also expect better from Liverpool supporters but far too many posters are quick to jump on the bandwagon of whatever topic is controversial.

Yes I was Billy and 5 years later I still am to some extent, and I don't disagree we need to start seeing progress.

On the matter of posting, I just don't think constantly spamming an agenda with pre-fabricated one liners and belittling everyone is up to snuff for this forum..this is discussion group not a place shove agendas down peoples throats.

He has been approached by some of the most respected posters on this forum to provide information to substantiate the wild accusations but nothing ever comes out because he has none; in its place is a rhetoric of division and bitterness that members of this forum should not have to put up with.

Go to an SOS meeting or protest in the street with a sandwich board, leave this board for discussion not as a pulpit for spreading vile conjecture and fear mongering.

If FSG don't initiate a change in the transfer policy, then we can only assume they are fully on board with it. This summer will tell a tale, although so did last summer!

I am pretty sure they are fully on board with out transfer plans and have been behind them all along.

I am pretty sure they are fully on board with out transfer plans and have been behind them all along.

You're probably right, but they must see now that a change in tact is needed if we are to complete, even for a top 4 spot. They meet with the committee to discuss these things, and it should be clear to them, that the current policy has failed. No more excuses!

I am pretty sure they are fully on board with out transfer plans and have been behind them all along.

Would be crazy to think otherwise.

Yeah A-Zed... 'easier said than done'; eh?

It's not working (football wise) so far - at what point do you stop ignoring the signs, listen to what is being said and change tack? 

I suppose that really depends how important real footballing success is to you BBB.

I mean if, for example, you were happy to finish 4th every year and class that as success then maybe you'd conjecture now that mere tinkering was all that was required....?

Personally - I neither class that as footballing success nor do I think tinkering is enough this summer even to achieve that goal.

Would be crazy to think otherwise.

There are a few crazy folks around here then!

If FSG don't initiate a change in the transfer policy, then we can only assume they are fully on board with it. This summer will tell a tale, although so did last summer!

Unfortunately going into a fifth year of their tenureship nothing indicates any change of method, indeed a league standing of above the half-way mark does seem an acceptable marque for JWH & Co in presenting a viable market prospect.

Yes I was Billy and 5 years later I still am to some extent, and I don't disagree we need to start seeing progress.

On the matter of posting, I just don't think constantly spamming an agenda with pre-fabricated one liners and belittling everyone is up to snuff for this forum..this is discussion group not a place shove agendas down peoples throats.

He has been approached by some of the most respected posters on this forum to provide information to substantiate the wild accusations but nothing ever comes out because he has none; in its place is a rhetoric of division and bitterness that members of this forum should not have to put up with.

Go to an SOS meeting or protest in the street with a sandwich board, leave this board for discussion not as a pulpit for spreading vile conjecture and fear mongering.

Did the pr team write that tripe for you?
That facts about FullofShite Group are very clear.
YOU are the one that tries to pretend that LFC has made "progess".

This is a football club, not some "product" to be sold to mugs/the unsuspecting. Kindly go and promote some other "product" somewhere to support your "patriotism".

Did the pr team write that tripe for you?
That facts about FullofShite Group are very clear.
YOU are the one that tries to pretend that LFC has made "progess".

This is a football club, not some "product" to be sold to mugs/the unsuspecting. Kindly go and promote some other "product" somewhere to support your "patriotism".

Why is it that you think you are always right, and every other opinion that does not agree with yours, is wrong.
Is no one else allowed to voice their views whether you agree with them or not, without you coming back on here and putting everyone down who disagrees with your viewpoint ?
This is supposed to be somewhere were people can come and voice their opinions, and not get slaughtered with the kind of bile and crap that you come out with.
The sad thing is, that some of the comments you come out with might be right, but you do shoot yourself in the foot with your constant condemning of our present owners.
Sorry to say fella, they are here for a while yet................

  LIVERPOOL: LITTLE MORE THAN A BALANCED INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO?

by TheAnfieldWrap // 9 April 2015 // 42 Comments

European Football - UEFA Champions League - Group B - Liverpool FC v Real Madrid CF

LIVERPOOL have played great teams many times, writes  PETER FURMEDGE. Quite a few times we have been behind illustrious opponents in terms of what we can put on the pitch. Sometimes quite a distance behind.

What always prevailed, something that brought grudging admiration and resentment our way in equal measure, was that arrogant Scouse-infused “F**k them, we’re Liverpool” attitude. It carried us through some unlikely triumphs. The 2001 UEFA Cup run saw Liverpool emerge from Europe’s shadows to beat Porto, Roma and Barcelona. Nobody needs reminding about 2005 and what happened when football’s hand of fate put Juventus, Chelsea and AC Milan in our way.

It also left us looking a bit daft at times as well, but that didn’t matter, a few pints later and we’d be ready to take on all comers again. Bill Shankly famously responded to a 5-1 first leg drubbing at the hands of Ajax by saying Liverpool would turn the deficit over in the second leg. 54,000 believed him. Clearly second best to the emerging Dutch masters, but clearly having none of it.

Wednesday 22nd October 2014 was the first time I’ve gone to a Liverpool match where the prevailing mood was one of awe. Yes we’ve applauded great players. Goalkeepers have always been given a good reception by The Kop. Decades ago, when Liverpool’s crowd struck as much fear into visiting fans as the players did to their teams, we used to always applaud opposition goals as well. But they were interludes in an unswerving conviction that, no matter how good the XI lined up against the Reds were supposed to be, “we are Liverpool and we’re going toe to toe with you”. Players and supporters alike. Partisan, passionate, aggressive. Sometimes deluded, never defeated before a ball was kicked in anger.

Against Real Madrid at Anfield, very large sections of the crowd lacked any sort of Liverpudlian arrogance or bottle. In fact, many were just as happy to be there because Madrid were in town as they were to support Liverpool.

This was also apparent with the team. I’m not advocating kicking the opposition off the park, but we barely put anything on any of their players. Would a Jamie Carragher, Phil Thompson, younger Steven Gerrard, Jimmy Case, Sammy Lee, Tommy Smith, Gerry Byrne or young Jon Flanagan have gone through 90 minutes without at least letting the superstars in white know they were in a game? Our team was standing off, not good enough to play Real Madrid and too in awe to battle with them instead. There’s playing it clean and then there’s being overawed.

Soccer - Football League Division One - Liverpool v Leeds United

Six fouls and no bookings in 90 minutes says the footballing demigods from Spain would have faced a sterner foe in the selfie-stick mob by the players’ entrance than they encountered on the Anfield turf that night.

The trip to Madrid for the return leg cemented an image of Liverpool as a club happy enough to play second fiddle. Never mind the team selection, Brendan Rodgers can pick who the hell he likes. Rafa Benitez and Gerard Houllier did it often enough to make me immune to unexpected line-ups. However, gone was the ultra-professional “get in, get the job done, get out” approach of years gone by. This was “little Liverpool on tour” — an entire club on a mid-season break. Everyone bar the then ostracised Mamadou Sakho on the plane to Madrid. Nobody on the club’s charter plane home. Instead, that extra 24 hours to “prepare” for the Chelsea game was spent in the Spanish capital and a narrow 1-0 defeat treated almost like a victory.

“Plucky Liverpool”, a club one step away from a losers’ lap of honour to a chorus of “we’ll support you ever more”. Not a hint of the steely-eyed determination to bridge the gap that typified the Reds of yore, just relief that a drubbing had been avoided.

How did it come to this? A global giant. Five times Champions of Europe. Now established as a feeder club to Barcelona and Real Madrid. A team that might as well have stood with autograph books welcoming Real Madrid onto the Anfield pitch. A crowd turning up and behaving like we’re Fourth Division underdogs playing, erm, Liverpool; the proper Liverpool that fears no foe.

Lack of vision. That’s what it is. And it comes from the very top.

A stadium development that will leave us permanently in the second tier of European clubs and struggling to keep up domestically. Sitting closer in terms of capacity to Newcastle than to Manchester United and completely giving up the ghost where the likes of old foes like Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund are concerned. Never mind Barcelona and Real Madrid, they’re over the hill and far away now. Built in obsolescence, an investment risk mitigated by the development’s minimal payback time being guaranteed by a decades long season ticket waiting list, premium prices that are yet to be set and the naming rights cherry on the cake. A big tick on the FSG investment appraisal, no matter that generations are priced out and already in the process of being alienated for good.

A transfer policy that’s all about unearthing talent that can be resold at a profit. Quarter of a billion pounds spent (some may say wasted) on “investments” in three years, largely evaluated on the basis of age and resale potential instead of ability to improve the first team. A balanced risk investment portfolio where a football team should be. Spreading risk across a transfer window and ending up with nine players of potential (maybe questionable) quality instead of concentrating the risk and ending up with three of proven status. A club that players now leave with their most successful trophy winning years ahead of them, yet it’s never the club’s fault.

A self-imposed salary cap that’s leading to a Gordon Lee style “no stars” policy in spite of the club still shelling out a gargantuan payroll bill. Blaming the lure of London instead of fighting it — how the hell did we bring John Barnes north and then keep him here? What are the likes of Sagna, Nasri, Clichy, Mata and Van Persie doing in Manchester if the mythical lure of London always wins out?

A support that’s been rinsed and cleansed and sieved out until all but the last bastions of the old ways and attitudes cling on, defiant in a vain hope that one day things will return to some semblance of “normality”. A new crowd, welcomed off chartered planes by Mighty F***ing Red, filling hotels, clogging up motorways from all points north, south, east and west. Spectators and customers, taking selfies to a backdrop of opposition set pieces, providing an audience that’s more excited by the presence of opposition superstars than it is determined to help the men in Red put these upstarts from the continent back in their place.

The tipping point has been passed. First Liverpool ended up with the only penniless “billionaires” in America, now it seems we have the only Small Time Charlies from a land of Big Time Charlies. The new crowd accepts our place in the order of things, happily filming Ronaldo’s gloating goal celebrations and celebrating the avoidance of humiliation in Madrid like some sort of triumph in adversity. A tame and timid Anfield crowd, about as imbued with the Liverpool-Manchester rivalry as people who’ve rarely (if ever) set foot in either city can be, flat as a pancake for the traditionally the most partisan of all English football fixtures.

Quarter of a century without a league title, players leaving year on year for bigger and better things, how long before Rodgers becomes the first Liverpool manager to leave for bigger and better? Gone is the defiance. Gone is the arrogance. Gone is the vision of building Liverpool up and up until we conquer the bloody world.

Welcome to the sweetspot brothers and sisters in the #LFCfamily.

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2015/04/liverpool-little-more-than-a-balanced-investment-portfolio/

  LIVERPOOL: LITTLE MORE THAN A BALANCED INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO?

by TheAnfieldWrap // 9 April 2015 // 42 Comments

European Football - UEFA Champions League - Group B - Liverpool FC v Real Madrid CF

LIVERPOOL have played great teams many times, writes  PETER FURMEDGE. Quite a few times we have been behind illustrious opponents in terms of what we can put on the pitch. Sometimes quite a distance behind.

What always prevailed, something that brought grudging admiration and resentment our way in equal measure, was that arrogant Scouse-infused “f**k them, we’re Liverpool” attitude. It carried us through some unlikely triumphs. The 2001 UEFA Cup run saw Liverpool emerge from Europe’s shadows to beat Porto, Roma and Barcelona. Nobody needs reminding about 2005 and what happened when football’s hand of fate put Juventus, Chelsea and AC Milan in our way.

It also left us looking a bit daft at times as well, but that didn’t matter, a few pints later and we’d be ready to take on all comers again. Bill Shankly famously responded to a 5-1 first leg drubbing at the hands of Ajax by saying Liverpool would turn the deficit over in the second leg. 54,000 believed him. Clearly second best to the emerging Dutch masters, but clearly having none of it.

Wednesday 22nd October 2014 was the first time I’ve gone to a Liverpool match where the prevailing mood was one of awe. Yes we’ve applauded great players. Goalkeepers have always been given a good reception by The Kop. Decades ago, when Liverpool’s crowd struck as much fear into visiting fans as the players did to their teams, we used to always applaud opposition goals as well. But they were interludes in an unswerving conviction that, no matter how good the XI lined up against the Reds were supposed to be, “we are Liverpool and we’re going toe to toe with you”. Players and supporters alike. Partisan, passionate, aggressive. Sometimes deluded, never defeated before a ball was kicked in anger.

Against Real Madrid at Anfield, very large sections of the crowd lacked any sort of Liverpudlian arrogance or bottle. In fact, many were just as happy to be there because Madrid were in town as they were to support Liverpool.

This was also apparent with the team. I’m not advocating kicking the opposition off the park, but we barely put anything on any of their players. Would a Jamie Carragher, Phil Thompson, younger Steven Gerrard, Jimmy Case, Sammy Lee, Tommy Smith, Gerry Byrne or young Jon Flanagan have gone through 90 minutes without at least letting the superstars in white know they were in a game? Our team was standing off, not good enough to play Real Madrid and too in awe to battle with them instead. There’s playing it clean and then there’s being overawed.

Soccer - Football League Division One - Liverpool v Leeds United

Six fouls and no bookings in 90 minutes says the footballing demigods from Spain would have faced a sterner foe in the selfie-stick mob by the players’ entrance than they encountered on the Anfield turf that night.

The trip to Madrid for the return leg cemented an image of Liverpool as a club happy enough to play second fiddle. Never mind the team selection, Brendan Rodgers can pick who the hell he likes. Rafa Benitez and Gerard Houllier did it often enough to make me immune to unexpected line-ups. However, gone was the ultra-professional “get in, get the job done, get out” approach of years gone by. This was “little Liverpool on tour” — an entire club on a mid-season break. Everyone bar the then ostracised Mamadou Sakho on the plane to Madrid. Nobody on the club’s charter plane home. Instead, that extra 24 hours to “prepare” for the Chelsea game was spent in the Spanish capital and a narrow 1-0 defeat treated almost like a victory.

“Plucky Liverpool”, a club one step away from a losers’ lap of honour to a chorus of “we’ll support you ever more”. Not a hint of the steely-eyed determination to bridge the gap that typified the Reds of yore, just relief that a drubbing had been avoided.

How did it come to this? A global giant. Five times Champions of Europe. Now established as a feeder club to Barcelona and Real Madrid. A team that might as well have stood with autograph books welcoming Real Madrid onto the Anfield pitch. A crowd turning up and behaving like we’re Fourth Division underdogs playing, erm, Liverpool; the proper Liverpool that fears no foe.

Lack of vision. That’s what it is. And it comes from the very top.

A stadium development that will leave us permanently in the second tier of European clubs and struggling to keep up domestically. Sitting closer in terms of capacity to Newcastle than to Manchester United and completely giving up the ghost where the likes of old foes like Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund are concerned. Never mind Barcelona and Real Madrid, they’re over the hill and far away now. Built in obsolescence, an investment risk mitigated by the development’s minimal payback time being guaranteed by a decades long season ticket waiting list, premium prices that are yet to be set and the naming rights cherry on the cake. A big tick on the FSG investment appraisal, no matter that generations are priced out and already in the process of being alienated for good.

A transfer policy that’s all about unearthing talent that can be resold at a profit. Quarter of a billion pounds spent (some may say wasted) on “investments” in three years, largely evaluated on the basis of age and resale potential instead of ability to improve the first team. A balanced risk investment portfolio where a football team should be. Spreading risk across a transfer window and ending up with nine players of potential (maybe questionable) quality instead of concentrating the risk and ending up with three of proven status. A club that players now leave with their most successful trophy winning years ahead of them, yet it’s never the club’s fault.

A self-imposed salary cap that’s leading to a Gordon Lee style “no stars” policy in spite of the club still shelling out a gargantuan payroll bill. Blaming the lure of London instead of fighting it — how the hell did we bring John Barnes north and then keep him here? What are the likes of Sagna, Nasri, Clichy, Mata and Van Persie doing in Manchester if the mythical lure of London always wins out?

A support that’s been rinsed and cleansed and sieved out until all but the last bastions of the old ways and attitudes cling on, defiant in a vain hope that one day things will return to some semblance of “normality”. A new crowd, welcomed off chartered planes by Mighty f**king Red, filling hotels, clogging up motorways from all points north, south, east and west. Spectators and customers, taking selfies to a backdrop of opposition set pieces, providing an audience that’s more excited by the presence of opposition superstars than it is determined to help the men in Red put these upstarts from the continent back in their place.

The tipping point has been passed. First Liverpool ended up with the only penniless “billionaires” in America, now it seems we have the only Small Time Charlies from a land of Big Time Charlies. The new crowd accepts our place in the order of things, happily filming Ronaldo’s gloating goal celebrations and celebrating the avoidance of humiliation in Madrid like some sort of triumph in adversity. A tame and timid Anfield crowd, about as imbued with the Liverpool-Manchester rivalry as people who’ve rarely (if ever) set foot in either city can be, flat as a pancake for the traditionally the most partisan of all English football fixtures.

Quarter of a century without a league title, players leaving year on year for bigger and better things, how long before Rodgers becomes the first Liverpool manager to leave for bigger and better? Gone is the defiance. Gone is the arrogance. Gone is the vision of building Liverpool up and up until we conquer the bloody world.

Welcome to the sweetspot brothers and sisters in the #LFCfamily.

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2015/04/liverpool-little-more-than-a-balanced-investment-portfolio/

Good article Si and a lot of truth in that.

Unfortunately unless the owners are Liverpool born/raised/weened on the club people will never have an affinity to be able to replicate what began 50 years ago.

Any supporter on this board that is not from the area can never truly feel the same as someone that grew up down the street from Anfield. Your parents, your siblings, friends, neighbors and co-workers all of them came together as one from birth to death with this club. I have been here 5 years on this forum and I still can't fathom half of what some of you talk because its not in my blood and it never will be. It does not mean that we don't care or that we are a lower class of supporters but nobody from the outside can truly see what it means to people.

Somewhere, you fellas would know better than I, the sport, league and the clubs got bigger than the cities and country it came from. In return for being on the global stage most if not all clubs have lost their true souls and as the older generations pass on more and more will be lost.

It is a shame that the history and passion gets drowned out in all the noise that the world is today, but unfortunately time passes and all thing change, does not matter if your owners come from Boston, Mumbai, Riyadh or Moscow it would never be the same as being owned by someone that was born into it.

I used to take everything personal on this board because of being an outsider, a lot of it because I did not understand guys like Walton or Skip. I have learned over time to give some space to people and let them vent because they are watching something that has been part of their life and that of their parents and children being destroyed bit by bit. I don't "blame FSG" or blame Americans, Russian or anybody else for that matter; the league, the club and the money has grown out of control and its not going to stop.

Pity for a lot of us that we could not of seen what the club was really about when it mattered; that's why I so enjoy Kenny's posts everyday in the picture thread.
 

Good article Si and a lot of truth in that.

Unfortunately unless the owners are Liverpool born/raised/weened on the club people will never have an affinity to be able to replicate what began 50 years ago.

Any supporter on this board that is not from the area can never truly feel the same as someone that grew up down the street from Anfield. Your parents, your siblings, friends, neighbors and co-workers all of them came together as one from birth to death with this club. I have been here 5 years on this forum and I still can't fathom half of what some of you talk because its not in my blood and it never will be. It does not mean that we don't care or that we are a lower class of supporters but nobody from the outside can truly see what it means to people.

Somewhere, you fellas would know better than I, the sport, league and the clubs got bigger than the cities and country it came from. In return for being on the global stage most if not all clubs have lost their true souls and as the older generations pass on more and more will be lost.

It is a shame that the history and passion gets drowned out in all the noise that the world is today, but unfortunately time passes and all thing change, does not matter if your owners come from Boston, Mumbai, Riyadh or Moscow it would never be the same as being owned by someone that was born into it.

I used to take everything personal on this board because of being an outsider, a lot of it because I did not understand guys like Walton or Skip. I have learned over time to give some space to people and let them vent because they are watching something that has been part of their life and that of their parents and children being destroyed bit by bit. I don't "blame FSG" or blame Americans, Russian or anybody else for that matter; the league, the club and the money has grown out of control and its not going to stop.

Pity for a lot of us that we could not of seen what the club was really about when it mattered; that's why I so enjoy Kenny's posts everyday in the picture thread.

What a crock of sh*t.....

Im sorry but you have been brainwashed by the mindless few on here claiming everything is scouse or nothing bullshit.

I tell you what im not scouse, but im as scouse as Shanks, Bob and King Kenny and as F***ing passionate as anyone who has ever called themselves a supporter of this club.

You have to be born in Anfield ....my arse you do

What a crock of sh*t.....

Im sorry but you have been brainwashed by the mindless few on here claiming everything is scouse or nothing bullshit.

I tell you what im not scouse, but im as scouse as Shanks, Bob and King Kenny and as f**king passionate as anyone who has ever called themselves a supporter of this club.

You have to be born in Anfield ....my arse you do

No I have been here long enough on this forum to understand what many of the posters are feeling inside, its called empathy maybe you should try it sometimes

In the meantime:


I think perhaps you should take a step back, send me your contact information and I can forward you some Xanax and Whiskey.

I think perhaps you should take a step back, send me your contact information and I can forward you some Xanax and Whiskey.

I think you should take a step back and realise what offends someone who grows up in great britain supporting a team playing their national game.

I think you should take a step back and realise what offends someone who grows up in great britain supporting a team playing their national game.

Well one thing I think I have learned on this board the past 5 years is that Liverpool supporters could give a flying f**k about Great Britain in general so it is doubtful your going to get many +'s spouting off about that; sounds like you have a picture of thatcher up on the mantle.

Remember I am the FSG hater that has had them as the owners of my other sports team for 15 years now...but of course you know them better than I.

Well one thing I think I have learned on this board the past 5 years is that Liverpool supporters could give a flying f**k about Great Britain in general.

You dont get what you have said which is even more sad.

OK

Tell Shanks he doesnt know what it feels like as he didnt grow up in the surrounding streets.

Tell Kenny

Tell Big Jan.....

Need i go on FFS.

You just made a long rambling post trying to suck up to certain members of this forum thus alienating perhaps the majority, newsflash the majority, yes the majority of LFC supporters do not come from Liverpool, F**k most dont even come from this country.

Oh and if you want to feel pain try growing up in manchester in a Liverpool top or even Newcastle for that matter, or London.

F***ing hell you are right on one thing, you havent a clue.

You dont get what you have said which is even more sad.

OK

Tell Shanks he doesnt know what it feels like as he didnt grow up in the surrounding streets.

Tell Kenny

Tell Big Jan.....

Need i go on FFS.

You just made a long rambling post trying to suck up to certain members of this forum thus alienating perhaps the majority, newsflash the majority, yes the majority of LFC supporters do not come from Liverpool, f**k most dont even come from this country.

Oh and if you want to feel pain try growing up in manchester in a Liverpool top or even Newcastle for that matter, or London.

F***ing hell you are right on one thing, you havent a clue.

You know what, I care far more about my friends and supporters on this forum than most other things related to the club.

You belittle the manager, players and fellow Red's on this board, you spout your opinion as fact and sh*t on anybody that says otherwise.

You come back after you grow up some..you smell of a 15-25 year old that never learned any manners.

Good day to you; your Sunday troll is done.

You know what, I care far more about my friends and supporters on this forum than most other things related to the club.

You belittle the manager, players and fellow Red's on this board, you spout your opinion as fact and sh*t on anybody that says otherwise.

You come back after you grow up some..you smell of a 15-25 year old that never learned any manners.

Good day to you.

Couple of things on your last few posts that may just educate you a little bit as you seem hell bent on making the most offensive post possible in as little time.

If you get chance to come over and watch the game, be sure never to tell anyone who upsets you that they have a picture of thatcher above their mantle. Just a little point it wasnt only Merrseyside that had mines ffs and you may never get to see the match.

Secondly, i do apprieciate that you are not from this country so it is quite hard to know what its like growing up here, i also know that you wont get my user name and the joke as to where im from. You wont also be getting the hurt of 39 missed calls and double the texts after todays result when we have not even played.

But stop trying to be clever, you are a supporter of the club so dont be a dick throwing insults you cant even begin to know the meanings of.

Just reposting from the Rodgers thread as I think it is more relevant here;

Why are the owners being absolved of the blame?

For me there is no *logical* reason, but rather a different mindset is applied to owners. Fans believe they can get a manager fired if enough of them turn on the manager. To certain extent this is true. Owners are much harder to get rid of - as long as their "asset" has value, owners will do as they please.
Secondly, there is a perceived scarcity of good owners relative to managers. Because being a manager is a career, we can see lots of other good managers, and it is theoretically possible for Liverpool to get them if the current manager is fired. You can't really acquire someone else's owner and its almost impossible to tell who is a potential owner until they buy a club.
Finally, most owners are sh*t. Our lot are not great and should bear a lot of blame for this season, but in the grand scheme of things there are a lot of much worse owners out there, and people are generally risk averse in that regard. Its easy to fire a new manager who turns out to be crap, but its hard to oust a crap owner.

Because of these reasons, people tend to either be resigned to our owners because they can't or don't want to change them, or are in full-on cognitive dissonance mode where they choose to believe the owners are good because they know it can't be changed.

ut stop trying to be clever, you are a supporter of the club so dont be a dick throwing insults you cant even begin to know the meanings of

What a crock of sh*t.....

Im sorry but you have been brainwashed by the mindless few on here claiming everything is scouse or nothing bullshit.

Pot/Kettle friend I was not posting to you or addressing you I was responding to Si...so if you don't like you can just not respond.

I think perhaps you should take a step back, send me your contact information and I can forward you some Xanax and Whiskey.

Is that an offer anyone can get in on?

Anyone else think they'll consider an approach to Klopp in the summer?

Anyone else think they'll consider an approach to Klopp in the summer?

I think yes, unless we get in the top four as Klopp could still attract top talent without CL football. Just my opinion.