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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #19113: Jul 26, 2015 02:46:27 pm
      Yes that was the plan, and it failed, hence the new approach!

      Is it really a new approach though? Brendan is still here. We spent big on Lovren and Lallana last summer just like we've spent big on Benteke and Firmino this season. I don't see much of a difference in the Ings and Borini signings and we've already done the big money (wages) free transfer from Citeh with Kolo so its not like Milner is a massive change in policy. There's virtually no difference in the Gomez and Ilori signings either. The only difference is hype. People expect Benteke to either explode or implode here, people expect Milner to do well here, people expect Firmino to be the next Suarez (even though most have never even seen him play) that's it there's a buzz but ultimately there's not much of a change in our approach in terms of the profile of player we're signing anyway at least we've done our business early.

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      Reply #19114: Jul 26, 2015 04:54:30 pm
      Yes that was the plan, and it failed, hence the new approach!

      The approach is the same - all we have done is improve our execution of the plan by wrapping up Brendan's targets early and overpaying where necessary.
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      Reply #19115: Jul 26, 2015 06:17:41 pm
      The approach is the same - all we have done is improve our execution of the plan by wrapping up Brendan's targets early and overpaying where necessary.

      Overpaying?, or paying what was needed to make the transfer happen?
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      Reply #19116: Jul 26, 2015 06:39:13 pm
      Overpaying?, or paying what was needed to make the transfer happen?

      That depends on who you ask Orchard, in the case of Benteke I think you will find both sides represented.
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      Reply #19117: Jul 26, 2015 07:11:42 pm
      That depends on who you ask Orchard, in the case of Benteke I think you will find both sides represented.
      I think Benteke is a prefect example of the inflated prices of premier league footballers these days, when a big club comes calling. Wether or not we overpaid will depend on how he performs I suppose.
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      Reply #19118: Jul 26, 2015 07:46:17 pm
      Is it really a new approach though? Brendan is still here. We spent big on Lovren and Lallana last summer just like we've spent big on Benteke and Firmino this season. I don't see much of a difference in the Ings and Borini signings and we've already done the big money (wages) free transfer from Citeh with Kolo so its not like Milner is a massive change in policy. There's virtually no difference in the Gomez and Ilori signings either. The only difference is hype. People expect Benteke to either explode or implode here, people expect Milner to do well here, people expect Firmino to be the next Suarez (even though most have never even seen him play) that's it there's a buzz but ultimately there's not much of a change in our approach in terms of the profile of player we're signing anyway at least we've done our business early.



      I agree mate, I think but for the sale of Suarez last season and Sterling this season many of our bigger signings wouldn't be here now. We would have stuck with the policy of bringing in potential on a restricted wage structure. The sale of such big money players has allowed FSG to relax their policy slightly.

      I also believe that the poor season we had last season also shook a few feathers and maybe forced FSG to accept that "you win nothing with youngsters" (unless they are exceptional).

      Obviously the fact that we needed a stronger squad last season because of CL proved to be a two edged sword as bringing in so many players proved to be counterproductive, as sadly it may again this season, even if we manage to offload some of last seasons signings.

      Personally I would have preferred less players but of a higher quality as the scatter gun approach does tend to lead to too many failures sometimes even of players that might have made it given more games. 

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      Reply #19119: Jul 27, 2015 12:55:25 am

      At least it'll still be red.

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      Reply #19120: Jul 31, 2015 04:49:56 pm
      This seems to be a fairly written piece:

      FSG’s Future With Liverpool FC?
      http://tomkinstimes.com/2015/07/fsgs-future-with-liverpool-fc/
         

          Posted on July 30th, 2015

          Posted by Si Steers

          When FSG acquired Liverpool FC in 2010, they made a commitment to build a sustainable future. Unlike Hicks and Gillett, or the Glazers at United, they would not take any money the club made out of the club. They would grow revenues so that the club would become self-sustaining. They made no commitment on the stadium, instead preferring to look at options and make an informed decision that best suited the long term needs of the club and the city.

          One of the biggest myths that circulate around FSG’s acquisition of Liverpool is that they got the club ‘on the cheap’. But they paid the market price for the club at a specific moment in time. Yes there was huge potential for growth, but for that to happen there needed to be a great deal of hard work and investment. The club was only a bargain in 2010 in retrospect because of the work that has gone into building it since.

          One of the biggest criticisms of our owners has been how they have managed the football operation. There is a lack of transparency around the decision-making and structure at the club and that creates a narrative of weak leadership.

          FSG have a preferred MO of collective knowledge to inform decision-making – rather than any one individual having total influence or control.

          Within FSG there has been a transfer of power, with Mike Gordon now taking a lead role in the strategic development and day to day leadership of the club, working closely with Ian Ayre, Tom Werner and Billy Hogan. John Henry will no doubt be involved in the big decisions, but seems content to keep a lower profile in the overall running of the club.

          One of the big questions that are often asked of FSG is what is the long term plan? What is the exit strategy? There are continual rumours about FSG completing the redevelopment of the stadium and putting the club up for sale. But from an FSG perspective, that would make little sense.

          Increase in value

          FSG were always going to make their money out of Liverpool by increasing its value. They inherited a complete mess; the club’s finances were in disarray with a wage bill that was swallowing up over 70% of total revenue. It is only in the past 12 months, after four years of prudent management, that the club’s finances are finally starting to recover.

          One of the biggest issues FSG faced on acquisition was the stadium question. After a thorough review of options, they made the decision to proceed with redevelopment; an option that all previous owners had written off as being too difficult.

          After years of politics, planning and broken promises, a redeveloped Anfield is now actually happening. A new main stand that will lift overall capacity to close to 55,000 and will narrow the revenue gap to our rivals (albeit with a large corporate offering).

          The latest Forbes valuation of Liverpool (as of May 2015) is circa £630m ($982m). With a redeveloped main stand that valuation is likely to rise closer to £700-800m in the next 2-3 years. FSG’s total investment in Liverpool to date is probably circa £440m (£300m acquisition cost, £40m intercompany loan, £100m main stand redevelopment loan).


          In a recent interview Mike Gordon has suggested that FSG are actively looking for a naming rights partner for the new main stand, or there was even a possibility of outright investment.

          Investment

          With a valuation of £700m, FSG could seek an investment of £300m and still retain 57% ownership and control of the club. That would enable them to see a return on investment from the initial acquisition cost. The stadium redevelopment loan is likely to be paid back separately by the increased revenue generated – in a similar model to how the Emirates was paid for. Once that loan is repaid, that revenue becomes pure profit for the club.

          This would effectively mean that the growth in value under FSG has meant that they have been able to recoup some of the upfront investment they have made and retain control of the club – and in parallel retain the promise they kept at the outset to reinvest the profit the club makes back into the club. In fact, once redevelopment is paid for, it is likely the club could be in the region of £100m a year plus better off under FSG.

          The investment scenario is probably far more likely than FSG seeking (and finding) an individual buyer who would (or could) spend £700m on what would probably be a vanity purchase.

          Why would FSG want Liverpool FC long term?

          One of the drivers behind FSG’s acquisition of Liverpool was that there was scope to increase its value – and one of the other drivers was the club’s global standing.

          FSG are a sports investment business – they have multiple commercial interests, but they only have one asset that gives them a global reach into markets and territories across the world. That asset is Liverpool Football Club.

          The commercial partnerships that FSG develop with Liverpool can cut across a wide portfolio of investments. FSG own NESN – an American sports TV channel. They recognise the value of the television rights to football.

          They also recognise that the US is finally starting to join the ‘soccer’ revolution. They have been pushing Liverpool in big US cities like New York and Boston (where they also link in with the Red Sox when on tour). They will have seen the club’s appeal in the Far East and Australia.

          The lucrative summer tours are a mechanism for FSG to look globally. There are economies of scale to be had with sponsors and commercial partners by having multiple interests – selling Liverpool would weaken that position.

          It is completely in FSG’s strategic interests to retain control and ownership of Liverpool Football Club. The ownership of Liverpool is a gateway to big ticket commercial opportunities that they would not be able to pursue otherwise.

          I’d be surprised if FSG look at Liverpool as a stand-alone asset, there are huge interdependencies on the markets they can penetrate through the club. Owning Liverpool opens up opportunities for the Red Sox – that has to be a factor in any thinking on exit strategy.

          So what is the exit strategy?

          FSG are unlikely to be around forever, but I think that they will be at Liverpool for the long term. Although FFP is looking unlikely to have the teeth it needs to be effective, Liverpool’s commercial growth with a redeveloped Anfield will give it a competitive framework to operate in. FSG may not be able to provide the riches of a Mansour or an Abramovic, but in time they’ll provide a sustainability model that gets much closer to Arsenal and United.

          In the long term our ownership model may become similar to a club like Arsenal, where we have multiple investors but FSG retain the controlling shares.

          What does this mean for Liverpool FC?

          If FSG do stay in control at Liverpool for the long term, it will probably be a good thing. The reason for this is that they will continue growing our revenue and capability to compete year on year – and in a sustainability model, that means we will continue getting closer to our rivals in terms of resources.

          Although FSG have been at Liverpool for almost five years, it has taken a huge amount of time to transform the club from top to bottom. Although there have been mistakes made, and FSG are by no means perfect, if you compare every aspect of the club today versus where it was five years ago, the transformation is there for all to see.

          There are things they need to do better; fan engagement remains a huge challenge – the supporters committee is the right mechanism, but it needs more teeth.

          On the pitch, there are big improvements needed. Under FSG we have sold players very smartly, but it has been a mixed bag on buying. On paper we have a young, talented squad and much will depend on whether or not Brendan Rodgers can repay the faith shown in him by the owners.

          Our top 5 record transfers of all time have come under FSG (not accounting for TPI). Although our net spend is heavily influenced by the sales of Suarez and Sterling, there has been significant investment in the playing squad.

          The final part of the transformation at the club is the translation to sustained on-pitch competitiveness and success. It is the hardest part, but from an FSG perspective, the expectation has to be that the foundations are there and it is time to deliver.

          All part of the plan?

          There is always going to be criticism of owners unless you are winning everything. It comes with the territory. But when you look through the chess game FSG have played since acquiring Liverpool, it has been skilfully executed. There are many moving parts that all have interdependencies on one another – and within five years, the chess pieces are almost exactly where they would want them.

          Supporters will only care about that if it translates to on-pitch success, and rightly so.

          FSG have multiple options on what they can do with Liverpool – and a full sale may be what they decide to do. The ownership of Liverpool carries a weight of huge expectation, and I am sure FSG are more comfortable pulling strings in the background than having the profile and interest they generate at Liverpool.

          But from an FSG perspective, ‘releasing some equity’ can give them a return on investment and let them retain control of one of the most popular football clubs in the world, giving them a global reach they would lose if they were to sell.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #19121: Jul 31, 2015 05:42:30 pm
      This seems to be a fairly written piece:

      FSG’s Future With Liverpool FC?
      http://tomkinstimes.com/2015/07/fsgs-future-with-liverpool-fc/
         

          Posted on July 30th, 2015

          Posted by Si Steers

          When FSG acquired Liverpool FC in 2010, they made a commitment to build a sustainable future. Unlike Hicks and Gillett, or the Glazers at United, they would not take any money the club made out of the club. They would grow revenues so that the club would become self-sustaining. They made no commitment on the stadium, instead preferring to look at options and make an informed decision that best suited the long term needs of the club and the city.

          One of the biggest myths that circulate around FSG’s acquisition of Liverpool is that they got the club ‘on the cheap’. But they paid the market price for the club at a specific moment in time. Yes there was huge potential for growth, but for that to happen there needed to be a great deal of hard work and investment. The club was only a bargain in 2010 in retrospect because of the work that has gone into building it since.

          One of the biggest criticisms of our owners has been how they have managed the football operation. There is a lack of transparency around the decision-making and structure at the club and that creates a narrative of weak leadership.

          FSG have a preferred MO of collective knowledge to inform decision-making – rather than any one individual having total influence or control.

          Within FSG there has been a transfer of power, with Mike Gordon now taking a lead role in the strategic development and day to day leadership of the club, working closely with Ian Ayre, Tom Werner and Billy Hogan. John Henry will no doubt be involved in the big decisions, but seems content to keep a lower profile in the overall running of the club.

          One of the big questions that are often asked of FSG is what is the long term plan? What is the exit strategy? There are continual rumours about FSG completing the redevelopment of the stadium and putting the club up for sale. But from an FSG perspective, that would make little sense.

          Increase in value

          FSG were always going to make their money out of Liverpool by increasing its value. They inherited a complete mess; the club’s finances were in disarray with a wage bill that was swallowing up over 70% of total revenue. It is only in the past 12 months, after four years of prudent management, that the club’s finances are finally starting to recover.

          One of the biggest issues FSG faced on acquisition was the stadium question. After a thorough review of options, they made the decision to proceed with redevelopment; an option that all previous owners had written off as being too difficult.

          After years of politics, planning and broken promises, a redeveloped Anfield is now actually happening. A new main stand that will lift overall capacity to close to 55,000 and will narrow the revenue gap to our rivals (albeit with a large corporate offering).

          The latest Forbes valuation of Liverpool (as of May 2015) is circa £630m ($982m). With a redeveloped main stand that valuation is likely to rise closer to £700-800m in the next 2-3 years. FSG’s total investment in Liverpool to date is probably circa £440m (£300m acquisition cost, £40m intercompany loan, £100m main stand redevelopment loan).


          In a recent interview Mike Gordon has suggested that FSG are actively looking for a naming rights partner for the new main stand, or there was even a possibility of outright investment.

          Investment

          With a valuation of £700m, FSG could seek an investment of £300m and still retain 57% ownership and control of the club. That would enable them to see a return on investment from the initial acquisition cost. The stadium redevelopment loan is likely to be paid back separately by the increased revenue generated – in a similar model to how the Emirates was paid for. Once that loan is repaid, that revenue becomes pure profit for the club.

          This would effectively mean that the growth in value under FSG has meant that they have been able to recoup some of the upfront investment they have made and retain control of the club – and in parallel retain the promise they kept at the outset to reinvest the profit the club makes back into the club. In fact, once redevelopment is paid for, it is likely the club could be in the region of £100m a year plus better off under FSG.

          The investment scenario is probably far more likely than FSG seeking (and finding) an individual buyer who would (or could) spend £700m on what would probably be a vanity purchase.

          Why would FSG want Liverpool FC long term?

          One of the drivers behind FSG’s acquisition of Liverpool was that there was scope to increase its value – and one of the other drivers was the club’s global standing.

          FSG are a sports investment business – they have multiple commercial interests, but they only have one asset that gives them a global reach into markets and territories across the world. That asset is Liverpool Football Club.

          The commercial partnerships that FSG develop with Liverpool can cut across a wide portfolio of investments. FSG own NESN – an American sports TV channel. They recognise the value of the television rights to football.

          They also recognise that the US is finally starting to join the ‘soccer’ revolution. They have been pushing Liverpool in big US cities like New York and Boston (where they also link in with the Red Sox when on tour). They will have seen the club’s appeal in the Far East and Australia.

          The lucrative summer tours are a mechanism for FSG to look globally. There are economies of scale to be had with sponsors and commercial partners by having multiple interests – selling Liverpool would weaken that position.

          It is completely in FSG’s strategic interests to retain control and ownership of Liverpool Football Club. The ownership of Liverpool is a gateway to big ticket commercial opportunities that they would not be able to pursue otherwise.

          I’d be surprised if FSG look at Liverpool as a stand-alone asset, there are huge interdependencies on the markets they can penetrate through the club. Owning Liverpool opens up opportunities for the Red Sox – that has to be a factor in any thinking on exit strategy.

          So what is the exit strategy?

          FSG are unlikely to be around forever, but I think that they will be at Liverpool for the long term. Although FFP is looking unlikely to have the teeth it needs to be effective, Liverpool’s commercial growth with a redeveloped Anfield will give it a competitive framework to operate in. FSG may not be able to provide the riches of a Mansour or an Abramovic, but in time they’ll provide a sustainability model that gets much closer to Arsenal and United.

          In the long term our ownership model may become similar to a club like Arsenal, where we have multiple investors but FSG retain the controlling shares.

          What does this mean for Liverpool FC?

          If FSG do stay in control at Liverpool for the long term, it will probably be a good thing. The reason for this is that they will continue growing our revenue and capability to compete year on year – and in a sustainability model, that means we will continue getting closer to our rivals in terms of resources.

          Although FSG have been at Liverpool for almost five years, it has taken a huge amount of time to transform the club from top to bottom. Although there have been mistakes made, and FSG are by no means perfect, if you compare every aspect of the club today versus where it was five years ago, the transformation is there for all to see.

          There are things they need to do better; fan engagement remains a huge challenge – the supporters committee is the right mechanism, but it needs more teeth.

          On the pitch, there are big improvements needed. Under FSG we have sold players very smartly, but it has been a mixed bag on buying. On paper we have a young, talented squad and much will depend on whether or not Brendan Rodgers can repay the faith shown in him by the owners.

          Our top 5 record transfers of all time have come under FSG (not accounting for TPI). Although our net spend is heavily influenced by the sales of Suarez and Sterling, there has been significant investment in the playing squad.

          The final part of the transformation at the club is the translation to sustained on-pitch competitiveness and success. It is the hardest part, but from an FSG perspective, the expectation has to be that the foundations are there and it is time to deliver.

          All part of the plan?

          There is always going to be criticism of owners unless you are winning everything. It comes with the territory. But when you look through the chess game FSG have played since acquiring Liverpool, it has been skilfully executed. There are many moving parts that all have interdependencies on one another – and within five years, the chess pieces are almost exactly where they would want them.

          Supporters will only care about that if it translates to on-pitch success, and rightly so.

          FSG have multiple options on what they can do with Liverpool – and a full sale may be what they decide to do. The ownership of Liverpool carries a weight of huge expectation, and I am sure FSG are more comfortable pulling strings in the background than having the profile and interest they generate at Liverpool.

          But from an FSG perspective, ‘releasing some equity’ can give them a return on investment and let them retain control of one of the most popular football clubs in the world, giving them a global reach they would lose if they were to sell.

      Nice read... they bought LFC for 300 million but the club is worth 1 billion in the current state, so no fairy tales with regards to the owners being some angelic selfless entities. They are leeching but at last they give the manager some funds this time around.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #19122: Jul 31, 2015 05:52:56 pm
      Wouldn't any buyer have gotten deal at 300m?
      Can you clarify what you're asking me please? That was the price for anyone with the debts, I'm not going to be an accountant wannabe here, I don't see them as saviours more like business men who bought a stock when it was low. I have no affection towards them.
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      Reply #19123: Jul 31, 2015 06:06:04 pm
      Can you clarify what you're asking me please? That was the price for anyone with the debts, I'm not going to be an accountant wannabe here, I don't see them as saviours more like business men who bought a stock when it was low. I have no affection towards them.

      Why was the stock low Fishpie...was it being traded on the market?

      For the record there are not many if any on here that look upon them as angelic saviors...myself included.
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      Reply #19124: Jul 31, 2015 06:09:55 pm
      Why was the stock low Fishpie...was it being traded on the market?

      For the record there are not many if any on here that look upon them as angelic saviors...myself included.

      It was an analogy, they bought the club at a cut price knowing the fan base is massive, no mysteries. Merchandise and signing random sponser's was the main goal last season, much to the detriment of the team which we never added to.
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      Reply #19125: Jul 31, 2015 06:11:23 pm
      Nice read... they bought LFC for 300 million but the club is worth 1 billion in the current state, so no fairy tales with regards to the owners being some angelic selfless entities. They are leeching but at last they give the manager some funds this time around.

      They bought the club for 300 and it will be worth 700-800 once the stand is completed.

      They have also not taken any money out of the club.

      Exactly how are they "leeching" when they have yet to see a return on investment?
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      Reply #19126: Jul 31, 2015 06:13:37 pm
      It was an analogy, they bought the club at a cut price knowing the fan base is massive, no mysteries. Merchandise and signing random sponser's was the main goal last season, much to the detriment of the team which we never added to.

      Well they put in another 150 million, and the reason the club is worth so much more now is that they cleaned up the books, paid off the debt, increased revenues across the board and are renovating Anfield. What did you expect them to do all of that plus create a squad similar to Chelsea at the same time?

      Did you expect them to go foul of FFP the last 5 years?  because even Chelsea and City built the the bulk of they're massive quality before FFP kicked in.

      Its the leeching part I don't get?

      H&G were putting the club in massive debt (basically borrowing against the name of the club) ..now that to me is leeching.
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      Reply #19127: Jul 31, 2015 06:25:19 pm
      Well they put in another 150 million, and the reason the club is worth so much more now is that they cleaned up the books, paid off the debt, increased revenues across the board and are renovating Anfield. What did you expect them to do all of that plus create a squad similar to Chelsea at the same time?

      Did you expect them to go foul of FFP the last 5 years?  because even Chelsea and City built the the bulk of they're massive quality before FFP kicked in.

      Its the leeching part I don't get?

      H&G were putting the club in massive debt (basically borrowing against the name of the club) ..now that to me is leeching.

      Well I think the club is being used for branding, a logo, lets send the players off to mongolia for no advantage to us only to get new customers for Liverpool merchandise. That's the leeching part which may spiral out of control and I'll just give up on following my club if it continues. The money that gets generated by merchandise and Tv rights is so vast. They were always going to recoup any outlay/debts they paid off, they're business men and we aren't a charity.
      They were/are leeching by cutting wages and signing potential talent for resale, this isn't the way it should ever be for the club.
      Btw I'm not talking at you just making my point clear.
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      Reply #19128: Jul 31, 2015 06:33:37 pm
      Well I think the club is being used for branding, a logo, lets send the players off to mongolia for no advantage to us only to get new customers for Liverpool merchandise. That's the leeching part which may spiral out of control and I'll just give up on following my club if it continues.

      Every big club does this. Sad as it is, it's part and parcel of the game now. You either have to accept it, or give up on the sport altogether....

      Exactly how are they "leeching" when they have yet to see a return on investment?

      Because they haven't spent invested enough of their own money to buy win trophies for the club and the fans....  :f_tongueincheek:
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      Reply #19129: Jul 31, 2015 06:37:40 pm
      Well I think the club is being used for branding, a logo, lets send the players off to mongolia for no advantage to us only to get new customers for Liverpool merchandise. That's the leeching part which may spiral out of control and I'll just give up on following my club if it continues. The money that gets generated by merchandise and Tv rights is so vast. They were always going to recoup any outlay/debts they paid off, they're business men and we aren't a charity.
      They were/are leeching by cutting wages and signing potential talent for resale, this isn't the way it should ever be for the club.
      Btw I'm not talking at you just making my point clear.

      If we want to compete, we need to sell merchandise.
      It really is that simple.

      As for cutting wages, did you not see that we were spending 70% of turnover on wages?
      In the state we were in, wages needed to be cut. End of story. Otherwise we really would be facing bancruptcy.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #19130: Jul 31, 2015 06:37:50 pm
      Well I think the club is being used for branding, a logo, lets send the players off to mongolia for no advantage to us only to get new customers for Liverpool merchandise. That's the leeching part which may spiral out of control and I'll just give up on following my club if it continues. The money that gets generated by merchandise and Tv rights is so vast. They were always going to recoup any outlay/debts they paid off, they're business men and we aren't a charity.
      They were/are leeching by cutting wages and signing potential talent for resale, this isn't the way it should ever be for the club.
      Btw I'm not talking at you just making my point clear.

      Such is life, every major club in every major sport in the world...been like that for almost 2 decades now and it will never go back.

      Don't know how that makes FSG leeches.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #19131: Jul 31, 2015 06:40:59 pm
      Nice read... they bought LFC for 300 million but the club is worth 1 billion in the current state, so no fairy tales with regards to the owners being some angelic selfless entities. They are leeching but at last they give the manager some funds this time around.

      They are businessmen no more no less, they are not ''giving'' the manager anything, a sum was received for Sterling and BR was allotted some of the fee for a replacement.
      As with the Suarez dosh the fee in it's entirety was not used for a like for like replacement; thank F**k tho' we didn't have to trawl the bargain basement this time around, replacing genius with potential.
      The businessmen appear to have loosened the purse strings, moderately it has to be said.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #19132: Jul 31, 2015 06:46:44 pm
      we didn't have to trawl the bargain basement this time around, replacing genius with potential.

      Or worse...Swapping genius with Balotelli!
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #19133: Jul 31, 2015 06:49:59 pm
      Or worse...Swapping genius with Balotelli!

      Even worse ...... Swapping Kenny with potential!

       :f_run:  :f_tongueincheek:
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #19134: Jul 31, 2015 07:16:26 pm
      They are businessmen no more no less, they are not ''giving'' the manager anything, a sum was received for Sterling and BR was allotted some of the fee for a replacement.
      As with the Suarez dosh the fee in it's entirety was not used for a like for like replacement; thank F**k tho' we didn't have to trawl the bargain basement this time around, replacing genius with potential.
      The businessmen appear to have loosened the purse strings, moderately it has to be said.

      More conspiracy nonsense.

      The club can spend whatever it earns.
      End of story.
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      Re: NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC
      Reply #19135: Jul 31, 2015 07:28:36 pm
      Well I think the club is being used for branding, a logo, lets send the players off to mongolia for no advantage to us only to get new customers for Liverpool merchandise. That's the leeching part which may spiral out of control and I'll just give up on following my club if it continues. The money that gets generated by merchandise and Tv rights is so vast. They were always going to recoup any outlay/debts they paid off, they're business men and we aren't a charity.
      They were/are leeching by cutting wages and signing potential talent for resale, this isn't the way it should ever be for the club.
      Btw I'm not talking at you just making my point clear.

      Sending the players on tours to these places also gives back to the fans who have been fans for a long time. Some people might never get a chance to come to the UK to see their heroes. So where is the issue in repaying some of the loyalty that these fans show, as well as picking up some new support at the same time.

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